So let's focus. First on. Why calories are irrelevant? I think that this is probably one of the most common I know. Smiling, one of the most common questions I get from other women as well. How many calories do you today? And how many calories do you suggest I eat? And I tell them, I don't track any of that. I'm much more focused on Macros, because that's what our body recognizes as opposed to this unit of measurement. So I would love for you, I know dr. Fung dispelled, this also when I interviewed him but I'd love to get your take on it as well.

Yeah, and it's the most, it's so the essence of how we think about obesity writers, And then fat accumulation is caused by taking in more food than we more energy than we expand. And then we get to know calories of the way we count energy. This idea goes back to the early years of the 20th century back. When the only thing they could measure was how much energy was in foods and how much energy people expended. So they thought the disconnect the difference might explain obesity and again, it was an incredibly naive way to think about it. So that's medical research at the time. And 1920s 1930s was going on in Europe in Germany and Austria and in Germany and Austria. The research saying look we know that obesity fat accumulation is controlled by hormones like men and women fat and differently, you know, we go through puberty, we lose fat and gain muscle. You guys gain fat and you gain fat in very specific places. You know, you get pregnant, you put on fat and you put on fat below the waist. Because if you put on fat above the waist, like men do with the babies, you would be unbalanced. So evolution. Ocean or nature, whatever designed it, so that you can add fat. So, when the baby's born, you could feed the baby and you've got po, even if there's a famine, when the baby's born, you have fuel available that you've stored, so you can feel and it's, you know, so all this is controlled by hormones. But if you have excess fat the idea, it's got that way. Just because you eat too much. You know, the argument I've been making and the Jason has been making his look clearly. All of this is a hormonal problem and there are other ways to think about it, sort of, and I This in the case, for Quito to quantify how silly this calorie problem is. So, for instance, you know, if you've gained 30 pounds of fat, between high school and say, 45 years old, and your best friend has remained the lien. The difference is, is that you stored 30 calories, a day and your fat tissue 30 calories a day that they didn't. So, you're overeating, however, much you are supposed to overeat or however much you're supposed to control your caloric intake, the problem. Is that your fat tissue is holding on to 30 calories everyday too much like a after you eat the fat, you eat gets stored temporarily. So say during the course of the day, maybe we'd 1500 2000 calories and half of that's from Fatso. Your fat tissue will store 750 calories. And at the end of the day, it's only release 720 of them to be used for fuel and the 30. That's left is a difference between you being overweight and your best friend being lean. So, now you can ask the What controls, whether or not those 30 calories, get out or not, that's a hormonal question. It's not a, how much you weight or exercised or counting your calories question? Because you can count your calories and your fat tissue will still trap that fat. So, if you think about it like that, and it medical community religiously, refuses to do so. And then you're asking what hormones connect, what you eat to, how much fat you accumulate math, that's been known for Good years, depending on how you want to look at it, and it's primarily the hormone insulin. So, now, we've gone from talking about calories to talking about