I would love to ask a question that that might pop to mind for listeners as well. And Is just a backdrop, you know, I've thought a lot about trauma. I'm not wouldn't consider myself a domain and expert, but had experiences of sexual abuse, when I was very small and consistent, regular abuse for several years from two to four at a babysitter's house. And so I thought and read quite a bit related to trauma, but I think it's important to note and please correct me if I'm not getting this, right, but that You are not a hammer looking for nails with trauma. In the sense that you cover a very broad spectrum of different conditions issues wants questions with patients and it seems to me that there's probably a potentially damaging just like the symptom inventory is not neutral necessarily, it can result in very bad outcomes. I've done some Reading on controversy related to say, suppressed memories, right? So I'm sure there are therapists who actually do a lot of damage by trying to fit a narrative of trauma to every patient that they have in some way. I'd love to just hear you comment on The Good, the Bad and the Ugly within the discipline. Let's just say or skill set of treating trauma. The first thing I would say is I never made a conscious decision. Ian to say, hey, I'm going to be a trauma person. All right, right. I mean what I saw was oh this is running through like everything that I'm doing and at the time I really first started seeing it, I added open general practice and I was seeing what are the commonalities across people that I'm seeing socio-economic demographic background diagnosis. What are the commonalities? And of course I saw how often substances were playing into what was Going on and I saw even more strongly than that. How often trauma was playing into what was going on. Whether that was depression, or anxiety, or insomnia, or even the evolution of psychosis or the triggering of bipolar episodes. I mean, there was just so so, so much that was keyed to trauma. And that's what really captivated my attention. And then grew my interest in my research and clinical approaches to it. I think it's there and it's It's quite pervasive, but it of course, isn't the answer to everything. And yes, if you have the hammer and you want to see all Nails, then that's what we see. And I think we have to be very very careful because we often as human beings, we develop sort of allegorical ways of understanding things and we can do that consciously and also unconsciously. So the idea of recovered memories from the perspective of, oh, that person had no idea that that thing had happened. And now they, Is it is happened, is something we just must be skeptical about in a way. That's careful. I don't mean skeptical in a way of trying to invalidate a person but being careful because if a story that's not actually true becomes that person's Touchstone for truth, that is not good for that person and it can be. It can be very damaging for others who then may be falsely, accused of something. For example, right, most of the time and I've been doing this for 20 years and I would say the vast Majority of times when someone is now talking about a memory that they haven't talked about before. It is not because they had the not have that memory before it's because it was writing in the sort of boundary being above and below Consciousness, Ray and they they know that that's there but they don't let it into Consciousness or let alone put words to it. And then there's a way in which the memory or the experience. The person is talked about fits with their internal world before it came to the fore. Opposed to it. In a sense, kind of coming out of the blue which we just need to be more careful about for the sake, of that person who may have had that come out of the blue because maybe that's true, but maybe that's not and if it's not it's not helpful to them and it's a potentially risky to others if that makes sense.