This is Jackal underground podcast. Number 49, sitting with here with Echo, Charles. Wanted to talk about a little something.
Called psychological reactance. Now. This is something that, you know, that, I know that I've known about for a long time, but I but I haven't heard it. I didn't know this term.
What this is is the definition is quote, unpleasant motivation, arousal or reaction to offers people rules or regulations that threaten or eliminate specific behavior, freedoms end quote. So, what does that mean?
What that means is.
What that means is that people don't like to feel their freedom of choice is being threatened in any
way.
And what you hear. I've heard me say for years and this is just something I would throw out there as if it was a fact. And it kind of now is is you hear me? Say, people don't like have things imposed upon them, don't want to impose your plan or email Force things on people that there's a psychological.
Phenomenon that backs up that quote, feeling that I talk about this happens. When you, you know, when someone says, hey, you can't do that and it makes you want to do it a little bit. Yeah, and we were talking about something earlier today is like, oh, someone's telling me to do something telling us to do something and that makes us both of us feel like we would, we just won't do it just to spite them. Yeah, or at the very least, he can tell me what not to do, you very you're mad that you can't do it even though you never.
I need to do it right. That right there. Is that right? There is reactants. That's Psychological reactants. When someone says, hey, you can't do that. And makes you want to do it more. And this is because, in my opinion humans, don't like to be controlled, right humans. Don't like to be controlled. We tend to want to do the opposite of what someone is imposing on us. This is, by the way, where the idea of reverse psychology, which everyone's heard of play.
As on. That's that's the idea that that it plays on like, oh, you, you know, hey, Echo, you're not allowed to sweep up in here. No, watch me. I'm going to sweep up, you know, like the Tom Sawyer, you know, example of, you know, you guys can't paint the fence, you know? No. Yes, we can. Okay, y'all. Okay, fine. So that's what, that's what, that's what reverse psychology works on. It works on reactants.
There's four elements to reactants or four. I should say four stages may be perceived Freedom. Like this is what I think on the I should be allowed to do threat to that freedom. Then you get the reactants which then provides restoration of the freedom.
a couple interesting indicators, the more certain of the freedom
The harder the reactants. So it's something you definitely think you should be able to do and I told you not to do it. You're going to have even more reactants to it, the higher importance of the freedom, the more stringent, the reactants.
And and here's an interesting point. They tie this to the fact that if I take one Freedom away from you, you psychologically think of you take that one. You probably take more. It's almost like a psychological slippery slope that we're getting into.
So, it's important to understand this, it's important to understand this, for me, to be able to sort a list to sort up.
Quantify this idea that I've been expressing for years, which is people don't like being told what to do. People don't like having ideas imposed upon them. People don't like having plans imposed upon them. And and, and so, this is where it comes from. We all as humans, have a Psychological reactants. We don't want to be told what to do. We don't want to have our freedom of choice controlled in anyway, so
Then the question becomes. How do you overcome this? Right? Well, this is again, something else. I talk about all the time using the indirect approach making something someone's idea. Right? I don't push the idea down their throat. I asked Ernest questions to get them to say. Oh, well this Jocko. I think we should do this right now. Oh, yeah, that sounds like a great idea. Now. It's been your idea. Now, we now you want to go and execute it, which is awesome saying something like hey I go here's the situation. We're in.
I think we should go in this direction. But it's your call right now. I give you that little bit of Freedom, you go. You know, what, here's what I want to do and it allows you a little bit more freedom to Think Through the issue. Whereas if I say Echo you need to do this front right now, you're automatically against it and you might resist it. You must say, I'm not gonna do that. Where's if I say, hey man, here's the situation. It's your call, what we do.
It opens up your mind to actually do the right thing. And what this reinforces is the fact that once again, the indirect approach.
May seem like the harder thing to do. It may seem like the less efficient thing to do. But this is another reason why the shortest distance between two points is not always a straight line. In fact, anal that works on a piece of paper in geometry class in sixth grade, but in real world,
The straightest, the the closest distance between two points, is rarely if ever a straight line and the indirect approach is usually better.
So there you go. Yeah, the indirectiy you go around the mountains, kind of like. Okay, so let's go or not. I was going up a big big bear coming back. Hmm. And my son, he's five. He goes. Why do these roads have to be so windy? Because they're winding and he didn't technically, it's not a bad question. So yeah, why is it? Why is it so windy? So you kind of, did you say looking freaking Cliff, bro?
No, and I for sure didn't say it like that but I did say however, I was like, oh cause they got to go with the Contour of the mountains. Otherwise like where's the r? Are you going to make the road unless you made one huge Bridge or something like this without take long time and buy all this stuff. I says, but if you pay attention, this makes the most sense. Because you gotta go look where we're going. We're always next to the mountain look and you see him in for a long time. He's just looking at every curve and it started to make sense to them. Hmm. It's true. It's kind of the same thing where it's like, yeah in a vacuum or
63 geometry or whatever. Yes, just straight line, but in real life, it doesn't work like that because it was all these other factors. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of the, one of the examples. I'll use when I'm talking to clients and trying to explain the indirect approach to him. You know, if you've got to get from point A to point B. Hey, the easiest ways to straight line, right? Yes, of course. Well, what if there's a river, what if there's a to Ridge lines that you have to pass over and if you just go a little bit off course, you can go over here into an ice-filled, which doesn't have the
The river running through it and it doesn't have any Ridge lines. And instead of, you know, instead of it taking you whatever, 10 hours to get across the ridge lines across the river, you can just you can just get there in three hours because you can go fast. You're not gaining, and losing elevation twice to get over ridgelines and risking some detrimental stuff. Yeah, by the way. Now, so very interesting. The
Approach. I'm still trying to find the best way to explain this to people because it's counterintuitive and it's counterintuitive because of what we learn in 6th grade geometry, that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line and it only works on that piece of paper with, you know, mrs. Jones. Who's telling you what, how to get from point A to point B, Viola Swamp. What is the
Okay, Psychological reactants. Yeah, I remember that. Oh, yeah, it's a good one because we all have it. You see from your kids. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, isn't that okay, you know, that idea of when people's, I don't know if it's the same thing, but that's kind of kind of what I'm asking. Maybe is this the real fundamental? Same thing, you know, when they say don't what is it? Don't think of a elephant and then you can't help me think of an elephant. I wonder if that has something to do with it. I don't think so. It's a similar thing.
But that's more. Like once there's an idea in your head, like you read. It, can't process for you. Can't purposely turn it off. Yeah, whereas this is a natural reaction. It's like, you know, every action has a natural and equal that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko underground podcast. So, if you want to continue to listen,
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