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The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all
day
Here we go. Here we are. What's up man? It's
good to be I was just saying it's good to be in like a proper studio and you're being
completely locked down the entire time completely. It's outrageous. We're five months in now. When does it ever thought this it rained and it
if you just said this is what 2020 is going to have. I mean, you wouldn't have left the New Year's party. You would have never believed
it. You know one how does this happen? Like, is there a war like what what happens what takes
place and it's funny how easily not
Leave it like that. It's just yeah. Now this is what we're dealing with and I guess everybody you want to has to adapt. So that's the good news. I have
been going to restaurants at all.
I've been to probable I've gone out for to restaurant. Maybe three times.
Its have you gone to the ones where they wear the mask and then the shield over their face as
well. Yeah. It's a good to do welding in the
kitchen. So strange it's but it's better than nothing. So you just sort of
adapt. I know I mean, who knows when it all I mean at least some people feel like going back to work. Mmm.
Then we're gonna go back on my show on 911 Lonestar pre-production in on the
17th. Now how will they do
that? Well, that's the thing is that's a big show. I mean it's not, you know a game show like units adventures and rescues and pyrotechnics and stuntpeople. It's just huge in scope. So it really is the thing if we can pull that off that'll be that'll be good. But I think the plan is
One thing that's interesting is just how you run a set is going to change they tell me so you'll come in in the morning. Everybody would get tested and then everybody's segregated. So you go to the set and the director and the actors will rehearse that's it. Nobody else there. Then they leave have to leave and then the lighting crew will come in and they light alone just the lighting crew and then they leave and then the sort of you know, the all the production teams get their
meant to do what they need to do, but they're doing it
alone. Well, they have a test now that the White House is using and it takes 20 minutes. It's an actual test you go there so you could find instantaneously see what we're doing one here. The one that you got is an antibody test that takes 10 minutes and it shows active antibodies which means you got the disease five six days ago or whatever and your body's fighting it off. It's currently in your system and it also shows another indicator whether or not you fought it.
Off a long time ago and then there's the swab the swab takes 24 to 48 hours depending on the lab and then there's real worry and concern like are you contagious during that time? Like if you just got it today, can you give it to someone today? They don't know so until this thing happens with the White House the 20-minute one that they have until that's like Nationwide. We're fucked. You know, we're kind of we're in a weird situation where
Has to be really careful.
Yeah, and you know, it's funny. I it's funny. I have no issue wearing masks. I don't really get that thing that people I mean I get the free at the end the freedom
it's definitely better than not going out.
Yeah, and listen. I mean I feel way safer wearing it way safer and you know celebrities should be thrilled to wear masks. Yeah, right you mean, you know, listen now Leonardo DiCaprio can go out completely, you know with even better disguise us
you'd be
Amazed at how much people recognize you though even with a mask on especially as soon as you start talking, they'll
recognize both you in particular for you your voice. Nobody knows your voice so you can't get in an elevator, you know,
but I'm a fan of the bandana. I like feeling like a bandit but doesn't the all the bad shit
come underneath the bandana. I don't
think is sealed at the bottom a bandana. I do not think is for you. I think it's not other people and then the droplets if you're getting droplets, I don't think you're swooping them under I think you are breathing in through. What am I a doctor?
Oh
and Italy sounding good. You're like, you know, you're falchi of
the ring. Thank you. The falchi the Octagon. I don't have one of those n95 mask though. I've hundreds of them. Do you hundred a the
best? You know, what here's I'll tell you what they are. They're the hardest to breathe them. But they are the ones that when you put on your you definitely know notice that you're sucking wind mmm. But yeah, my wife was all over that like if there's anything to be bought on Amazon at any time for any excuse
She's the fucking Maven search the minute this happens. You bought every m95 mask stockpile and
click is very addictive it is because like maybe I do need 50 boxes of toothpaste. It's right there right there. Why wouldn't I do it spun? I'll find a place to put
it on take that now. Well, no,
so when your show comes back people will still be allowed to go home though and go places. Yeah. I haven't heard any
talk of you know, sort of quarantining or 14 day. I haven't heard any of the
Of that stuff. Although I have friends who have gone to Europe to do big movies and they've had to do that.
Yeah, I've heard that like they keep you in a hotel. You can't leave the hotel everybody who works in the thing has to only hang out with everybody that's on the
project here. So I understand so that the NBA is doing the bubble thing right where they'll live like in like like a like a commune right glorified, you know, Disney ask commune, right? But the NFL isn't going to do it. Apparently. Yeah, it's too hard to get the hose in there.
I was thinking, you know chicken wing. It's hard to give you when you want those chicken wings. You gotta go out to get them.
Yes when you do yeah, you gotta whatever you want. If you need some more.
What's your favorite ammonia? Are you can contact are you a fan of the of the baseball with the crowd noise crowd noise?
No, I'm not a fan of fake noise. I hate that some cars do that, you know some cars that turbocharged engines. They put fake engine noise through the speaker Jesus.
Actly, I
never knew that I'm so glad that you're all my Illusions are shattered. I think BMW does it?
Yeah, I'm sorry to say yeah,
are there speakers on the outside of the car? They are the inside. It's through the stereo speakers.
Even if the speaker is turned
off. It's an option that you have to turn off. You have to go into the settings and turn off see if you can find that. Oh no.
Yeah. It's like have a BMW announced was that
it? It's like it's enhance sound. Maybe it's not for your model. I pretty sure they do it for the M4 though. Yeah, it's one of the primary complaints of legitimate atomo journalists. They're the real automobile Enthusiast hate
it we've course I fucking hate it. This is this is like you
Tell me that Santa Claus doesn't exist. It's not necessary either. Like I
have a Tesla and it doesn't make any sound. It's still awesome.
Yeah, that's thing is that is the only problem at the Tesla is I feel like I'm every television development
executive right when I when I
you know, I mean it's it's the it's like the what the Armani suit was in the
80s. Yeah means. I'm in Show Business. Yeah. It's definitely a signal you're letting everybody know. You're also
really concerned about the environment. You're really good person. But but the other
As I have is you also have one of the most badass piece of equipment would it kill them though to do luxurious interior would kill him. Well, does that about waiting? What is that
about? That's a good question. I think it's just first of all, it's an American made company. I think everything is made here and I think that scaling everything up and it has been a real problem. It's been real problem meeting the demand and I think they just kind of came out with like a reasonable interior and put it together, but there's a company called.
Is that company called again? They make they make a car called The Apex. They essentially they're right next to the Tesla Factory and they'll in California and they'll take your Tesla. They bring it over there and they soup it up. They put a wider track. They widen the fenders. They put better suspension. That's it right there s Apex so they take it and they completely redo. She's the tear in ya dope carbon
fiber what?
And then they do there's an interior that's that's a
car interior. I love that you love cars. Well, my favorite
subjects. I mean, I love them and I know nothing about them. It's like I also kind of like watches but I don't know any like I just know what I like like the movements and let's
just dorks. Yeah, is it the h-65 movement like
is the bezel infused with whatever the fuck I been told. I know the word
bezel. What's the name of the company again unplugged performance, so they'll do anything.
In the interior you want, you know, they'll do so Diamond Stitch leather, they'll do carbon fiber replace all the plastic with carbon
fiber like your cargile. I was impressed at the car collection of coming home - yeah, were you ever tempted to get one of those tricked-out escalate the factories right around the corner from here where they the Escalades was like a living room. Like I went in there and saw them when they were making for Tom Brady and it was it's like the interior of a private plane but in an
Escalade, okay, so they do like God
it and then just redo it like some very Swank and gets a
living. It's literally a
living. What I've been looking at lately is Earth rumors. You know, what on Earth rumor is Earth Romer? Yes, I have been I've been an apocalypse guy for quite a
while. So you're in your auger
Glory. I have a
sister. I Told You So moment. Well,
not necessarily. I'm not like a prep or anything like that, but I'm like if
the shit so what's the difference between a prepper?
I don't have enough food. Okay. Why do I have a
Free I've freezers filled with elk meat and stuff like that. So I kind of have enough food. But if the power goes out, I'm kind of fucked that's an earth Romer those motherfuckers you can live in and they can drive like a thousand miles plus and yeah, and they do the interior. Well, there's different scales, but some of them go up to like 1.5 million dollars and the interior is insanity and Earth Romer. Yeah. I'm turns rolling. I'm taking notes. I live I think about the am literally taking notes you
You can go anywhere with these they also have an air suspension that will automatically level your vehicle. So like save your on some fucked up like kind of terrain that's not level. It'll reach level it out. So you can sleep. Well, the interior is like the interior of a really nice tour bus televisions satellite radio audio
internet makes I mean, it's companies it literally just the Earth from our they did
nothing they start the base is a very large.
Ford pickup truck they take like a huge diesel pickup truck and then they put this insane cabin in the back of it and there's a bunch of different levels that they do it, you know, you have like a reasonable level of like one person to like camping and then you could literally bring your whole family and you're living like you're in a private jet. Wow, and it can drive over everything. That's the other thing. It's like a legitimate off-road vehicle you go over a fucking mountain in that thing,
you know in Santa Barbara where I live we had these terrible fire.
Fires and floods and mudslides to give the mudslides killed 23
people. I knew someone who died and yeah
and as did I crazy crazy and is in our house. Yeah, they people she imagine you go to sleep at night, you know that there's going to be rain whatever and you go to sleep at night and next thing, you know, your house is
obliterated. Yeah
instantly the sheriff's came to us to tell us what you know about different evacuate evacuation zones, and I said, I know all these guys really was
Level with me. What's what's like the worst thing that's gonna happen like the absolute doomsday scenario you guys worried about and they're like, well, we're worried about the entire Mountain going all the way the freeway great. Thanks for sharing. We're going to be fine. And that's exactly what happened and what it taught me was you truly cannot comprehend like the power of nature like when people you say California could fall off into the ocean you can that's
Not good. I'm telling you it could you because really we could wake up one day and big you know, Lincoln Boulevard and Santa Monica. Yeah, that's the ocean. Now you be like oh bullshit. That's nothing. I'm telling you based on what I lived through the mind if like it's an intersection. I tried by every day, but every day if you said ok tomorrow night at midnight, there's going to be a 45 foot wall right here of debris of homes of bold.
Here's the size of a semi truck cab ubicool shit. That's fucking it. We're from where where the boulders coming from. Where's okay, it's what happened? You can't imagine
it now. Will you in your house when that happened?
I was in Vegas with my wife. My son Matthew was
home. Whoa. He
thought he heard the most radical Thunder he'd ever heard and hold our son. He's he was 22 at the time.
And he's like a pro. He's like a prepping like he's an Outdoorsman. So if there was any one of the family to be home, it would have been Matthew. That's what I would have wanted there. And also he thought it was Daylight he woke up and thought it was already heat overslept because what the fires from all of the get propane explosions had lit the sky up so it looked like daylight whoa, and and then he called me and I got on the scanner.
Police scanner in the stuff that you could hear was just it was just unbelievable. I mean it was it was pandemonium.
Yeah, that's a it's such a beautiful area Santa Barbara Montecito. It's so gorgeous because of those mountains, but that's also what makes it vulnerable if there's a fire, right? Yeah, cause all the stuff that kind of holds the mountain together and keeps the erosion from happening all gets burnt up and
then that's what they said was on the rain. That was the problem with like this was a one we had a once in at least a hundred year.
The fire the area behind our house hadn't burned in over a hundred years and a once in probably maybe they think a thousand year reign event all within six weeks of each other. So one of things that was fascinating to me was the amount of Ash because I went on a hike afterwards there was sick at least six inches of Ash, you know, like when you see the astronauts footprints on the moon, that's what it looked like all up all as far as you can see in the mountains around Santa Barbara.
And then when we got that rain with the ash it was a created like a viscous lubricant that just Pride these Boulders out. So that's one of the reasons why these massive massive massive Boulders that you would think would be soldered into the Earth's core which is a cup and just washed out.
It's so hard to imagine because like if you drive up the 101, you see those beautiful Hills you just see beautiful Hills, but what that is is
Instead the Earth is moving. That's what those Hills are. Like. Wow, you're safer in Kansas. But then again you're not because then there's tornadoes there's no free lunch, man. Oh look at this.
Yeah, I know that
house.
Yes, it's crazy. When you see that like six feet of mud literally poured into people's homes. So just like the people that are on the bottom floor of the house were just destroyed
immediately. Yeah, I mean you just how many people died in this 23
what a crazy way to go to. Yeah. I mean in this in the
stories, you know, everybody's story is more tragic than look at that.
Well one thing that this pandemic
Not a lot of people is that what you think of as being static and unchanging that the world we live in is basically pretty stable. It's not a small event and it's not small but a virus that kills less than 1% of the population can completely obliterate the world as you know it and that's minor in comparison to a solar flare or an asteroid impact or a supervolcano. Like if Yellowstone goes, that's the real concern.
Turn and that's another thing is that yeah, that's uh, that's my uh, that's the stuff. I watch at night by the fireplace. It's my ancient alien shit. That's not really happening. And now based on what I've experienced I Anything Could
Happen. Well Yellowstone definitely could go they say it goes every six to eight hundred thousand years and last time it went was more than 600,000 years ago. Can you imagine they would obliterate everybody in the continent? There'd be no one left the people in like maybe Africa some in New Zealand some people would survive, but they would experience.
Nuclear winter so crops would die off the temperature would radically reduce the entire Sky will be filled with Ash. It's a super volcano, you know those Caldera super volcanoes. They've they've exploded throughout history and killed massive massive numbers of human beings. Like they think that there was one in Indonesia somewhere around 60 to 70,000 years ago that killed off most of the population of the world and the left is few as seven thousand human beings.
Really? Yeah, that's just 70,000 years ago.
We you've had like like Graham Hitchcock and people from Hancock,
right and Randall Carlson. And
that is that part of that narrative to
well certain. Well, you know, they've concentrated on asteroid impacts and particularly the asteroid impacts that are proven now that they believe end of the Ice Age and they also believe restarted civilization, but I think that there was some incredibly complex civilizations that were not totally aware of other than some of the structures they
Left Behind like Gobekli Tepe and some of the ancient Egyptian structures, but there's a clear indication that something happened both from an archaeological perspective and also from geologist perspective. When they do these core samples, they find that somewhere around between, you know, somewhere in the 12,000 years ago range. There was a massive impact because in all over the world because they find this treatment try tonight, which is this nuclear glass everywhere they also
Find iridium which is really common in space but not not very common on Earth and so level they see ya in this. Yeah, it's like our samples. It's a very it's a very consistent level and they find that new clear glass. That's the same glass. Like when the Trinity project when they first blew up the first nuclear bomb. That's the first one of the things that they found was this new clear glass and it's just this incredible Force to causes the sand to turn into glass and they find this all over the world at around 12.
House in years so and there's also there's you know, there's a lot of awareness today of all the near-earth objects. And when Earth in its its orbit comes in contact with these consistent near-earth objects, and that something probably hit Earth in multiple places like more than one object somewhere in that range and end of the Ice Age. They think it happened twice the speculation. Is that happened somewhere around
12,000 and maybe again somewhere around 10,000 years ago.
It's it's crazy. It is crazy. I love all that stuff that I live
for though. I love it too. I live for but I don't because I don't want it to happen again know so it's like I get excited but that I I don't ever let the worst is if I listen to Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and then I smoke pot and go to sleep. Then the
head then you should record those
dreams. Oh, yeah, if you could you should write the mrs.
Teleplays. Yeah, that's terrifying.
It's just we're so
Horrible, I mean we're vulnerable period right? I mean, I'm 52 how old you know 56, they'll look great.
Thank you. Grace. Are you trade
but we're almost dead. Let's be honest. I mean how much time we got left? If everything goes
great. No. No, we're going to live forever. We're gonna we're gonna have that pill that they're going to it's going to be announced next week. That might be the worst thing
that could happen like you might want to go, you know quietly in your sleep rather than live for 500 years and see the horrors of humanity turns into that, too.
And I don't want to like my body breaks down. I'm not I'm So Physical I love I love doing my stuff. I I don't think I'd be one of those people like, you know, what his mind is so sharp
though. It's like well fuck that's great. And you know, I can't fucking
walk. Yeah. I can't you know, it's like I want to be able to do my
thang. Yes. Yes
my wildest. I want a sharp mind. Let's let's for sure be like that. But
what do you what do you do to maintain yourself? What do you do to keep the machine working?
Well, the number one thing was, you know, I stopped drinking years.
Years and years ago. Yeah, I've been so many years 30.
Oh, so you got way ahead of the game
some way ahead it and we had so I don't do any of that.
Wow. That's that's a that's a lot of
discipline. It's a bit. It's not though because the minute you realize your discipline has nothing to do with it. That's the only way you can do it. Okay, because the whole point is like I can't I can't if if I had if I had one let's say you broke out that because I was like beer beer was good with it as we got there whiskey whiskey was never my thing. I'd be okay if it were tequila that be a
current thing if you if you and also it was the 80s. So if you had a Kamikaze MMA those drugs, yeah, I do remember though - yeah, like it would it would go then I'd be like, you know, what would be really good to get would be some coke
dialing ringing well to balance it out.
I just bounced out and you know that that don't think Dale gets a big deal and it's good for you
a rock star Coke. That stuff's not even bad what I'm saying? It's not even
bad for you Mick Jagger. Does it? Okay,
he's Richards. He's fine.
Richard's look at Jack Nicholson. Look at I mean these guys are doing great. You're doing it. They're the biggest stars in the world. Nicholson is fat to how big how bad could it
be bad? Could it be it's good for your memory probably and its really good if you want to talk a
lot and and successful people
do it a lot of successful people do it and it's not addicting enjoy it. Yes.
So that was that was what we thought you know, that's what you know, that's is the Gordon Gekko era and then
and then the hounds of Hell will be released once I got that good little concoction going that good little mixing mixer Son Well,
it had to be hard to be a young really famous really good-looking guy during the age of no internet and you know, the world was a wild place. I mean you were really famous in the
80s. I wouldn't I wouldn't trade it for anything. I mean, you know, all of it look all the mistakes.
That I made all the things that I learned got me to where I am today and I could not be happier and I needed to I needed some fucking comeuppance and I needed some of that humbling and stuff on the other side of it is like what's the point of being fucking famous today? Really? I don't know if there's a sun dangerous.
I know
right? I don't know. I mean forget the lack of privacy the lack of like crazy fun what you can't have right? Everybody's lying in wait,
I saw an article.
Written about Leonardo Dicaprio and it was just about how he dates young girls and how gross it is that he's dating a girl's 25 like 25 is a woman you fuck. What is wrong? He's a good-looking man. He's wealthy and happy and successful. Oh my God, he date someone who's young and vibrant? There must be something wrong with him. Meanwhile, if a woman does it nobody gives a shit. They celebrate her Hugo Kate beckons Dale you go. Take those 21 year olds down. That's
A Trope them Wrangle them right a rope them and they send them off kick him in the ass and pack their lunch and send him send him off. It should be it should be
equal opportunity everywhere. That's not
right when it's a woman. They look at it. Like she's just she's doing her thing. She's having a good time. But at a man, it's like he's abusing his power that Leonardo has power over those young
ladies. I figure like if you're if you're you know Leo or Bieber or any of those like young like, you know, like they this is like what you
part of coming of age. Yes figuring is figuring out what you want in life. And you know, when you do that, you're going to do weird shit good shit bad shape. Well, that's you know, when
everybody would if anybody would try to judge someone like that like Bieber and particular right? Because he was really really young when he got famous mean it's insane and you know that whole
thing that theory that at whatever however old you are when you get famous that that like freezes you and Carbonite emotionally and and and intellectually
Make sense with child stars,
right anybody a bit. Yes or anyway, it's also the thing of like if you ever noticed that before like you get famous the people who were famous to you then fast forward a hundred years or whatever and like maybe they haven't done as much and you have but when you meet them, you think they're the most famous crazy successful person. It's the same. Yeah. It's the same type of thing if I were to meet, you know, dr. Smith.
With from Lost in Space, I'd be like no fucking way doctors did I meet so it's funny. How time I met Lee Majors. I
was in my glory. I was like, it's a six million dollar man. I can't believe it. He's real, right? Yeah. Yeah Cheech and Chong when I met those guys was like I can't believe they're real. Yeah, I believe I'm meeting them.
Yeah, you get you get Frozen in your own your own
perspective. Well when you get older and you become famous, very few people can have this conversation.
Right, but when you get famous and you meet famous people to me, it's still weird. Like when I met you today, I was like, huh? Hello Rob Lowe seen you in movies, but I'm more normal with it than when I was young when I was young and I would meet like I remember the first time I was on the set of news radio and I met Phil Hartman. I was so weirded out. I was like, he's right there. This is correct. I had met a lot of famous people back then only look a small handful and so to be like working with him and sit and he's sitting there like I've seen you on TV, by the way, how can you in the Moonlight was fell?
He was amazing. He was
I had my scariest one of my scariest professional moments involve Phil Hartman. I was I was hosting the show on Saturday Night Live and fill and fill out a character called mace that he did reoccurring character and
maces a hug didn't convict and he lived in it obvious. He was serving life and
you're so whenever they have like a pretty boy hosts. They would throw of course
me into a cell with Macy turn around their chicken legs.
You said that was that was like the predicate ever and and I just remember apropos of nothing. It was the week that the Lambada dance was a big deal. Oh geez that tells you how long ago was that? And so yeah. So so Mason I were doing well Lambada in a prison cell and the whole sketch built towards a punchline and for whatever reason I blew the setup line.
Like like blue blue it like there's no there's now no end there. Look. There we go. Look at me. Look at you chicken legs. And so there was no so I had to ad-lib something really really really really quickly. It felt like time stretched out and his eyes got huge and night. I ad-libbed something and it worked and it got a really big laugh when I think that that's when would sort of sealed my relationship with Lorne Michaels because I was able to I came back
Could stay Jim's like mmm. You're really Houdini, aren't you?
That's got to be terrified to do that show to do it live. It's the best. Oh
if I could if I could have been a not-ready-for-prime-time player. I would have I mean that would have been a jury. I think that's the dream how much preparation
do you have to do for that show. Like how many times do you rehearse one of those sketches
well-being what people don't really realize how being a host is it's the host show like you can take as much control over it as you want and most people don't I just being stupid and naive did and always did and sat in on the
There's all night right all night with all the different Riders going from room to room was fucking heaven, but wow does SNL nerd so I was like, that's cool. And then and then you do the the dress rehearsal, of course right before air and it's full show. It's exactly the same show full audience. It's the whole thing and then they cut things or not. When of my favorite things that got cut and Will Ferrell and I played oncologists.
Who would deliver the bad news that people had stage four cancer? But only with our mouths full of food. So we have that was that was that it was the he be like, oh, yeah, I'm try reading chili whoa forces hotspring the roof of my mouth. Sure. She'll try. Um, you have stage four cancer total how so hot and spicy. That was the that was
the total
predicate of of the sketch is a weird. It was like so weird and so it's that one it made it to to are it means dress.
Wow, really crazy must been a rough week. It's roughly. I don't think cancers funny.
Yeah, I guess you got a point there Phil hated the competitive aspect of the show because he said that people were just mean to each other. That's one of the things that he enjoyed about sitcoms is that everybody was kind of working together. He said one of the things about when you do SNL everyone's battling to get their sketch on yeah, so they would sort of sabotage each other and they would
There was a lot of like backstabby shit going on and he didn't like it and he was really hesitant like to be friendly with people on the set. Like when he first got on the sitcom it took a while for him to loosen up and realizes others a different thing because that that environment was every man for himself.
Yeah. It's funny ensembles are funny that way like there is a an element of teamwork. It's like any team there's an element of teamwork. That's
Sick and you want and is great and hopefully it's there but then there's that that element of you know competitiveness even with your sort of Band of Brothers, but you know that gets toxic in a hurry with the with the right with with the wrong culture and and maybe the wrong people in a bit but SNL, it's like it is what it is. There's only so many slots for sketches and there are only so many people writing and the best is when people try to take them in the read-through like you read all of them on Wednesday big huge stack of them.
And people will like laughs really really hard at their own stuff or like roll their eyes at other. It's fun to
watch. Yeah. That's basically what he's talking about that dad always made me really uncomfortable the fake producer laugh when you'd be doing like the third run through the car.
Like your dad but people don't even know what we're talking about.
So you do a table read or do most unrelatable podcast
ever just now. It's been great a missing young and good-looking. Oh, I'm down
Jim's day prepping and
Earth roamers across the room
reservation. Yes, this is great. You know, there's there's nobody quite like a man of the people Joe Rogan and Rob Lowe podcast. Let's face it when you do a
run-through folks you actually if you do a sitcom you act out the show and they want the actors to feel
What they're doing is funny because there's nothing weird or than doing something with no audience not hearing any laughter at all. So the producers would laugh but they would do this fake laugh and it would throw you off so hard because it's like all you could it's jarring you. Yeah. So phony
it's I I did a sitcom when I was little like us 15. It was it was it was so long ago that there were only 60 to shows on television period
Holy shit, 62 that was this is actually Fox not sixty two channels 62 show 62 shows by the way. How do you think I remember that there were six because we were number 62. We were we were literally
the lowest
rated show on television. What was it called? An a new kind of family might add something to that exciting title that makes you just since I just sit up and take notice. Don't you a new kite is what kind of family is it? It's a new kind. Oh.
I'm going to watch then what did they mean by a new kind? It
was a revolutionary concept at the time that it was two divorced women pooling their resources. Yeah. Look at you and I I'm sprouting a wonderful Karen Carpenter. Look at that hair, bro, Karen Carpenter look at the wings. I know.
Was this your first acting project on television? Yeah, I was 15.
Wow. And so
you were you never had a normal life?
Not really so so that so that new kind of families bad. It was bad and it was opposite 60 minutes, which was the number one show and by the way, it was so horribly rated we would get 19 million people watching. That's crazy. That was and it was a disaster.
Isn't that crazy insane? Wow, that's amazing. 19 million.
There would be the number one show on television today.
Oh, there's nothing that even comes close. That's so
crazy. Is that amazing? That was a huge disaster 19 million
people. Wow, and I'm the king of the new normal like I'm on shows that get bad ratings that then become the new normal like like they should I can't believe it it just in like I'm just right there at those threshold the world in Europe
could say
At to someone and not say what ranking it was and say when I was 15. I was on a show that
had 19 million people watching
it. They'd be like, holy shit. What was it? I know it's the biggest show ever. Yeah. Well, it's like a number one show today. Like what is the top shows like modern families at number one? Like what's the number-one sitcom today?
Do you at would have been well with big bang has been off for what a year? Yeah or two years. It would definitely be big sign one and they'd get like I think eight million.
I think was what it was and that show it's shockingly somewhere on Netflix are popping up now. So
right that's the problem Netflix won't tell you shit. They don't tell you nothing they say well you're doing great.
Yeah, or they don't tell
you they don't tell you. Yeah, and then they cancel you. Yeah, they like you they say we're really happy. What does that mean? We're really really happy really
happy and like how happy yeah, no one knows really happy lot of
guesswork involved. That's insane know that so many people and it was the last rated show.
Crazy the last radio show and then they they figured they'd shut us down to rejigger it because they figure they could make it better somehow and stop the audience slide and we came back and that the other family have been replaced. What yeah, they replaced without saying anything and and made it an African-American family figure that that would be more interesting for the storytelling or what have you and same know they least played different people
NCIS and it gets 15 million. Wow, and that's number one assassin number one.
Go
number one by a long shot.
Wow.
Wow, that's crazy.
So when we came back and have the new cast member the daughter was Janet Jackson, which was
fun.
Okay, so you were still on
it. I was still on it. Yeah, and so on it was all of like 12 or 13 and she was your sister. She played the other she was in the other family the Sherman House. Yeah.
Okay. So there was two families and one was African-American and one was your family. Yes. It
was that's that was the change that the network made over a week and they didn't tell anybody like they just you just turn it on one week. And now what what were they do
that? I love Network Executives. There are people that are making creative decisions that have never been created when they're fucking life and it's amazing.
They're out there pushing buttons and pulling strings and
now Aaron Sorkin tells a great story about the pilot of the West Wing which is sort of it's a I mean, he wrote a great script. So it's one of the great pilots and you know, and there's a through line of refugees from Cuba braving All Odds on rickety boats to come to America for America's promise and that sort of thread that's playing through it and so in the white house we're talking about it and president Bartlet talks about it in a way to inspire.
Hire people and it's really really beautiful and the network was like listen. We love it. We think the script is great. But we think at the end that the characters need to get into a boat and go to Cuba and pull them out of the water.
Don't you just know that's true with your network because you just know that
like, oh my God,
because really all you guys are doing is talking about it. I mean don't you think it's more dramatic if it's actually on the wall and
you know, you want to see those people pulled
out.
The only thing the scripts pretty good the way it is what it's our can say to this. He didn't do it. Thank God take deep breaths. He never took a network note. Not once wow, that's why I was good not there was never a representative for the network ever on the set ever not once ever. That's very
fortunate Newsradio. The show that I was on with Phil wasn't successful and it was great show though. We were number 88 in the rake in the ratings and my friend Lou Morton was one of the writers and every week he would come in with a new t-shirt on where he would write the number on the shirt.
Because we moved around like nine times. We're always ended in this was pre-internet. So you had to look at TV Guide to find out when news radio was on, you know, it's like one night were Tuesday, then we're Sunday and so he shows up with a t-shirt on this at 88 and my fucking 88. He's like 88 Mike 88 where the 88th show Cheese's
I was 62. Yeah, but 88 was like a million
people watching back then it was not
it's not it's
not good. It's not 90 with
And see but look at all it led you to where you are today? That's the thing is all that stuff leads lead somebody if they're if they're paying attention to where you want to
be if you keep moving.
Yeah, you can't be stuck in can't be
scared. Yes. Well
not be stuck in scared.
That's the thing about show business. Right? It's like this weird world of I wonder how this is going to be received. I wonder how this is going to
work and you're fucked. You're done know once you get into that head you're done.
Yeah do your best and if it doesn't work shrug your shoulders move on keep moving. Yeah if they let you
Yeah, if they let you that's the weird one right when you like watch a movie and you like oh where the fuck did that guy go? Like, what was the guy from The Mummy with the fuck's is named Brendan Fraser? Yes, that guy fucking guy was
you about Brendan Fraser crashed my Saturday Night Live closing, you know at the end of the good night everybody. This has been great. Thanks for watching and everybody is there he showed up and was screaming the name of his movie that was opening that weekend, but Dazzle
No hold. No, I was like what the fuck? What's happening? Who are you? What are you? Hello. Brendan Fraser. You don't hear but dazzled. Whoa! Don't know to this day. Don't know what it was about. Maybe that's what sunk them but that was all maybe that's what did it to have been that
mentality. Like that's not a healthy mindset.
I think what happened? Probably is he they were going to work him into a sketch that got cut.
To promote bedazzled probably some studio shit
some backroom smoke-filled
room shit. And then he was like, well, I'm going to go out there and he's probably a little drunk when he all bedazzled. Anyway, damn that sold but that guy was a giant movie star. He was huge massive huge Matt and the mummy was
massive Mass. I just watched it. I told you my me and my family watch Tommy Boy. No we went on we were doing family movie night because of the quarantine we watch like almost
Every night we watched a new movie. I watch all the Adam Sandler movies watch a shitload of Eddie Murphy movies. We watch The Mummy watch couple of the mummies and we watch Tommy
Boy. How did how did Tommy wasted
stand up in holds up? Does it? Hold up funny movie? Matt Funny mod.
Awesome. Goddamn, Chris
Farley was good. Oh, bro, huh. He
was an and a great actor my among all my regrets about Chris's passing was where he would have gone as
As an actor because he was cute as Spades Spades the same they're acting in that movie forget the funny which is great. But like there like legitimate acting moments in that movie. Yes. And yeah and I think that's why it has the the staying power. But Chris was really going to develop into a into a real serious actor a good one. I think he was such a fucking Powerhouse
when he would go ape shit. Look at you
got this two idiots.
Just like what end of the part of the movie where spade looks at me and goes. Hey Lee Harvey because I do my hair does look like Lee Harvey Oswald.
He was awesome, man. That's the cow tipping scene, which I was pitched to the Riders. They had never heard of it and it made it into the
movie. Who was your mom / girlfriend again? Oh Derek, that's
right. Well, that was a great thing because we should Bo Derek and her husband John famous. John Derek was very protective of her and she hadn't worked in a long time and he made her cut all her hair off the day.
For she showed up on the set of Tommy Boy. So what we thought we were getting Bo Derek from from ten with the hair and she showed up with hair. That's basically my length now because because John made her do it. Why don't you make her do it? I mean, I know you can do the math. I think he's like, I want to keep you up in Santa Ynez riding horses with me. Don't need you be a movie star again. Oh she was so lovely. She's the best. She's a really smart really smart. Just great.
Eight woman and I mean I got to kiss Bo Derek. I mean what?
Yeah. I know. I'm for people don't know like what she wasn't a oh my god with she was the original white girl with cornrows when it was okay. You couldn't get cancelled for that.
But yeah you she would have been just that hot. She wasn't cancelled in a heartbeat. She was the original Gigi Hadid about that as a reference my cool and young now
I missed it. I've heard that name before but I China was her dad got sued because
Built a house. That's too big with no permits. Yeah. No. No, I know. Nope. Absolutely. No permits. It's way too big in the neighbors are
worried. It's gonna fall on them.
Yeah, exactly looks like a UFO it's still there. Oh, yeah, of
course haven't even figured out what to do with you things. There's lawsuits don't yeah. That's her. Look at BO back in the day. Whoo. How about the one on the left go to that one can't nips
ma'am. Our Google pal. I'm going back. I'm gonna go back and do a deeper dive on this. She
was hot as fuck. Perfect bone structure, right?
Right. Yeah. She was at she was amazing and Tommy would you know the thing about Farley was he he and Spade used to fight over me. Like I was the girl probably cuz let's face it kind of look like certain lighting and they'd be like I heard you in the jacuzzi the robbed last night. Yeah. Oh we didn't call me well and like they would like fight it was there was very funny and and sweet one night. I took I took the gang out to
In Steakhouse in Toronto, great steak and out there still there. Chris ordered to bone in to bone in state porterhouse steaks ate both of them. But on top of each bite he put a cube of butter and when I looked at him like what the fuck are you doing? He was like it needs a hat. So if you want to put a hat on your steak some people just
Genuinely, don't give a fuck. No fucks given. Yeah,
obviously, he's a wild man. I met him once on the set of Newsradio. He's partying with Andy Dick all he showed up gray like wet cardboard. You look gray and I'm like, hey, man,
he's like, hey,
it was just he was gone. Oh, who's it was sad? It was weird. He had gray skin and I remember thinking Jesus Christ. Chris Farley has gray skin, like what's going on? Like he was sweaty and just just all fucked up.
Yeah.
He had major major demons in a lot of us really worked. You know, we're worked out for ya. But you know, it's some people can't they can't make that leap man. The thing about him though is
the fucking I always wonder about guys like that that are so powerful. Like, is it the demons that made him so good he was so good so good. He would go ape shit. I mean he had the fucking horsepower. He had it was so stunning. You have these scenes what he would just go fucking
Crazy, it was so fun. I would wonder like what is that same thing? What makes him and because it was so real is that what made him just go crazy with Coke and go crazy with everything else. I mean, I think I think like normal people
like I don't see a lot of normal people drawn, but why would any normal person want to be in entertainment? Right? Right. What why would they write so I think just by default
damaged people or people with more articulately people with a hole to fill
Are drawn to entertainment to fill the hole and you know, and some some of the people have I have other damage to a rage anger whatever it is. But without a question the more normal someone is I know like unfortunately less entertaining. Yeah, right sure find that though. Like you're out of your you have it you're at dinner or whatever and they're like, I'm just sitting there like really really nice and really really decent and I'll go I wish you were crazy and damage like me because then you really
That we have a fun conversation buddy. Yeah. Well, that's absolutely the case with comedians. Like my favorite people are all completely fucked up.
Have you ever met it? Can you think AV normal decent well-rounded unfucked up person? Who is
hilarious? No, I'll tell you real quick right now. The humor is a big part of humor is saying things that are radically inappropriate.
Right, but maybe
accurate do you think do you think that are the culture where everybody is so sensitive today is it's got to be hard to be. I think it's harder to be funny you like you can make blazing sound. There's so many movies. You couldn't make now right our jokes. You couldn't tell
her I mean most of Monty Python's movies. Well, I mean so many we were watching some old Eddie Murphy movies and just just movies from the 2000s. You can't you could make today, you know Murphy.
Was it is still I mean what a stud.
Oh my God. He's amazing fucking we're talking about Norbit. I'm like Norbit is a massively underrated movie. That is a hilarious movie. And if I looked on Rotten Tomatoes, I think I like fucking 13% or something like that. I'm like, I don't get it you how did you miss this? I was crying laughing like like wheezing at certain
scenes. Yes Nutty
Professor Nutty Professor Nutty Professor to is
fucking and also a
The clumps the clumps.
That's two. That's the second one. Okay. Okay, I'm sorry, right?
Yeah Nutty Professor is
insane naughty professors and saying that's Professor to
terrible all those he plays all those characters. Yeah. Well, he's amazing. It's
just a script doesn't work in naughty Professor to and then they got rid of Jada Pinkett Smith and replaced her with someone else too. It's a good one. What happened? Yeah. That was a big part of the first movie. He's so good The Nutty Professor one is excellent, but he's just understanding
of you. Have you Revisited the stand-up specials?
He's in the in the leather
suits. I mean, I've seen them all multiple times. I haven't Revisited them in the last few years there but worth having a look at Gamma R greatest of all time. It's crazy. He hasn't done stand-up in 30 years as long as you've not been drinking. He hasn't been doing stand-up
maybe this to and their overall they were related. It's just I used to run with Eddie back in the day a little bit. It was pretty fun.
He's amazing. I mean, it's really every comic that I know wants him to do stand up again every comic like there was a thing we've talked about on the podcast before but there was a thing that he did where
where he was accepting some award and he was on stage and he did this piece about Bill Cosby because him Bill Cosby like always had feuds like it was on one of his older specials. I think it was on Raw where him and Richard Pryor to conversation because Bill Cosby called him and chastised him about Delirious about using bad words. And so he did this whole thing where Bill Cosby, you know called him and told and then he called Richard Pryor bridge probably like do the people laugh do you get paid well,
Have a Coke and a smile and shut the fuck
up. Yes active handle Focus mom. Shut the fuck up that
so he had no remember that him that was painful because look every comic was a Bill Cosby fan sure. They found out what the fuck he was really all about. But so for him to get a phone call from Bill Cosby instead of saying you're amazing. I fucking love what you're doing. I'm I'm I'm in your corner. Congratulations go get them steady gets you should stop saying bad words.
And it's so anyway years later. He hasn't done stand-up in forever and he is accept this award and talks about what because they took back Bill Cosby's honorary doctorate and all these different. They took Awards away from him and he does this whole routine about Bill getting his Awards taken away and it's fucking brilliant. It's been he hasn't done stand-up in 30 years. And you looking at me like Jesus Christ is that guy did stand up right now, he'd have the biggest Netflix special on Earth and it would probably be an hour of fucking gold just
Eight gold just isn't I mean
talk about doing it. He's talked about doing it. I
bet pre covid he was talking about doing it. I mean obviously covid fucked it up for everything. It's really hard to do a show now, right? And you know, I don't I don't I don't know where it's gonna go. I hope he does it though, but he's a he's a special talent a very unique talent. Yeah, and it's
wonderful Enigma. Yeah, you know, he's a so nice he's so but he's one of those people like that that people have
all of these thought that people project things on daddy didn't I mean like what he's like what he is or he isn't because he's just one of those guys and he's kind of an in an enigma. He's kind of unknowable but he's such a good
dude. Well, he's so talented. I mean we all grew up with him, you know 48 hours and did 48
hours is the shit the
shit him and Nick Nolte Nick Nolte is
Sarah. I mean
That movie I mean that's the ultimate. I mean look at the cop movie. There's no Danny Glover one with with Mel. But to me, it's all about 48
hours. I wonder if you can make a buddy cop movie anymore. Now that everybody hates cops. There. They are. Look at them. Could you make a buddy? Cop movie today would people they don't want you to that it wouldn't want you to they don't want you to for sure like cop movies. That was that's one of the biggest genre
right? There's a screening of kindergarten cop that was supposed to be in Portland.
And or somewhere this weekend that was canceled because people said that it was showing cops in a good light or something like
that. I hope they get robbed. I hope everybody says I get
robbed can imagine flux you gotta watch ever seen ulti
and I really hope they get robbed. By the way.
These are just jokes you ever seen Nolte and Q&A the movie Q&A. Yes. Yes
and you love and I remember that yeah where he
is a racist cop. Yes. Oh,
he's amazing that it's you know, there's a fucking movie. That's not that good. It's called.
Here it's like this martial arts movie. That was a few years ago and Nick Nolte plays. This guy who is a trainer of one of the fighters and he's in he's the father of one of the fighters as well. And he's alcoholic and he's all fucked up and he has this this scene where he breaks down and is crying and weeping and he just go God damn if you forget this, is it right here? He's so good. He's
so that outfit. That's the outfit he wears to go to the market in Malibu.
Oh,
boo. Oh, yeah, man, I ran into him at fright. Look at him right there.
I mean this scene
that's also how he orders a
McDonald's screaming red-faced. I ran into him at Fry's Electronics. It was he's always a Jew he was buying some motherboard or some shit.
He's okay. He's just amazing and he's amazing. So I here's a I gotta tell you how much I'm loving your podcast. I love it. It's great. Thank you. I'm a big I'm a big fan and thank and one of the things I love about because I'm doing my own now, and I'm learning from the best in the best way.
You is it's just literally anything and everything that makes you like you're curious about and I love that so I know it's and I've been paying attention. I know Chris about space mmm, but let's talk for a minute because this week over the one musk. Yeah. I did the big day and that was fun to watch but isn't it funny how excited we all are that? We just replicated something. We did 50 years
ago. Well even better though. They replicated something in a much more improved way where it can actually come back and land.
It's reusable. That's the difference.
How don't you think though? We have to have there has to be a secret space program. There has to be do you think so well here here? Okay, let's just go through the logic of okay. I'll listen. This is what happens when at nighttime when I have a cigar to drugs and
cigar. Do you smoke cigars? You smoke cigars you want
one. I was going to bring one and I forgot but hell, yeah,
beautiful least we get some kind of
drugs and now let's go. Let's fucking go by the way, don't we turn the FI? Enjoy watching?
People take drugs. I do do you?
Yeah, because Jerry about it.
I have a I have a very expensive wine cellar. I don't drink
you don't drink at all. You just have the wine for other folks for for guests. Wow. Yeah b-but. Could you have like a glass of
wine or you just add dependents and every single person? I know who either you have the ism of alcoholism or you don't and if you're if you are have come to terms the fact that you have it the day where you go, you know,
What I'm going to live in Europe for a while and gosh, I mean a glass of red wine. My birthday is
not going to be done. I'm gonna I'm not gonna Doom II to do heroin
anymore. That's what brought me to my knees, but a glass of red one literally you can put a fucking stopwatch on it.
In a might not be in a week in a might not be in a month and it might not even be in a year, but I assure you you'll read about them in the paper like biting a cop and their stomach and jumping off of a roof or 100% I've been in this game 30 years. I've never seen it go any way. Other than that
never I like to believe that someone out there that can do it just like I like to believe so people can walk tightropes between two buildings
Yan or people who aren't alcoholics they can't do it. Fuck. Yeah.
What do we got here bro? This is good.
Okay. Why can I not open this? Yeah, there we go. Got it how I would have brought I would have I would have brought my own.
I don't know. Well, I just have this box here for my friend. Mike binder. I love my row. Oh, you know Mike he's doing this Comedy Store documentary and he bought me a box of cigars company. Is this do you know this company? They're great. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm
Hmm. There's nothing better than a cigar when you're fasting good and fucked
up. Are you fast and right now? Yeah, we do the intermittent.
I do intermittent. And then and then I do every other day a 24-hour really which I got from Kimmel. Like what like remember that moment when I was sudden Kimmel, like didn't look like camel anymore lost like 80 pound as I could and I did and like, you know in the commercial breaks the bands playing and people are screaming you. Hey, why do you look so good? He's like I don't eat every other day. I was like that's got to be bull.
Warm. I'm right back and I never got to like finish the conversation with them, but I've since learned about it and I did I've done it and it's been what's the benefits honestly I think at the end of the day the benefit is just it's just an easy way to keep the calories down, but I find I'm more focused and actually have more energy. That's crazy
if you think about taking a whole day off of
eating but here every other day. Here's the thing is
It's it sounds worse than it is because you eat dinner. So the day goes from dinner to dinner, right? So there's not a an active day that I'm not eating. Oh thanks it right. It's such a meaning for hours.
Yeah. So I mean, that's what Jack Dorsey does Jack Dorsey the CEO Twitter. He eats one meal a day and he said he realizes that a lot of that lighter sucks. Unfortunately. We have another lighter. No, I'm good, right?
No, I'm good. We're good to go. This is good like this. They're good, right? I don't really good.
Yeah, I do intermittent. I do either 14 or 16 hours.
But
and then you're like, you know low carb low
sugar mostly meat mostly what I eat is meat.
Like almost entirely meat
what a veggie some fruit
veggies this whole month. I'm not eating. I'm barely eating any vegetables what this is animal-based August. So animal-based August, you know plant based on plant-based. Well, there's animal-based August mostly
vegan Army come for you how they've
come they've come for me. I give him hugs.
Look those animals going to die. I'll send them videos of wolves eating elk alive, you know, if you want to see that it's better if I kill them. Trust me and then you don't live
forever and you do you fish at all. Yeah, I love fishing. Yeah, my son Matthew low is a world-class fisherman and he flies fly fishing. No, it's all steep. See it's all deep-sea stuff. Yeah, and we go we have a boat we go out and we mean that it's like the Sashimi fish tacos is commercial Fisherman's license real. It's got a large green a commercial fisherman that's sucking back.
Once it's a well-rounded young
man. You did a good job.
Congratulations. It's good shit. And then my other son is is a writer on 911 Lonestar. No kidding.
Yeah. Wow, and it would you pulled it
off. I did it's being attacked you got kids. Yeah. That is a it's a full-time job, but I love it. I'm one of those people that like for whatever he is 9 I knew it was what I was born to do immediately and I devoted every fucking minute to it and loved it and it
paid off of my boys are you know, I have great Michelle's a great wife and great partner for me. But I love seeing like that kind of time investment
pay off. Yeah. No, it's beautiful because then they become these sustainable fascinating human beings, you know, so it's a how old are your kids? I have a 23 year old. I have a ten-year-old and a 12 year old
laughs and that's kind of what you love going to this because my mine are
24 and 26. So the notion of hat going back and having like that another crack at it kind of sounds kind of
cool. It is kind of cool. You know, it's what's weird about babies and just humans. They're so different right out of the box. Yeah, like there's so much study on what makes a personality what makes a human being whether its nature or nurture and people who are parents can tell you there's certain aspects of a kid's personality that they're just born with you.
See them with it as a baby like right out of the box and like what well, you know one year in their different to you like they're so different. It's so fat like sometimes my daughters will say something to me. It's just I just get so stunned just talking to them like this. I remember when you were this tiny little thing and now you and I are sitting here. We're having a conversation about space or about mortality are about what I think God is our about you know, what why do people act mean you know, I was
Conversation with my daughter with my twelve-year-old about mean people and I'm like believe me. It seems like they're just mean but there are only mean because they're hurting that's why people are mean they feel terrible. So they want you to feel terrible. Right and we were just having this weird conversation about emotions in about where it comes from and you know, and how some people there, you know their families broken up and because of
Of that they wish that things were normal. So they make up lies or they when other people are doing well. They get angry at other people like and we were just talking through this and in the middle of it. I'm talking to her and I'm thinking I remember when you were so small through this tiny little thing and now here you are this 12 year old who's like really we're having this or good intense like conversation about emotions and the development of human beings and how to be more compassionate and how there's this instinct to go fuck her, you know, and I'm like, I know you have that feeling but you got to fight that feeling like nobody has a feeling more than
The fuck you feeling I got a lot of that but you got to keep it locked up. It's not good for you that it's doesn't do you any good either when you like fuck you that you're really saying fuck yourself. It's not helping you because you're developing anger instead of developing forgiveness. Like he developed his anger towards a person where it's better it's hard, but it's better to try to understand why they're that way and why they're lashing out at you. And when you do that, what I was explaining to her is like it'll be an effective like they're they're mean
Mean stuff to you will be ineffective. It doesn't work anymore because you know who you are. So if you know who you are you you little bother you that they're trying to do it, but it won't you won't change your feelings about yourself. Someone can if you don't have a good sense of personal sovereignty. Someone can change your feelings about yourself. You know, I remember when I was young someone could insult me and I would think that they were right I'd be like, oh God, I am a loser. You know what? I mean? Like fuck. I'm a loser shit, and I'd go home and I'd feel terrible.
And I feel like a loser but if someone does it to you when you have sovereignty you like that's feels gross at this person's trying to make me feel bad but doesn't change who I am. I know who I am. You you gain an understanding through struggle and we were having this conversation. I remember thinking God is so weird like that people just sort of pop out of a giant has you know, you have sex person gets developed. They pop out of a giant next thing, you know, they're 12 and is sitting across the dinner table just you and her just chit-chatting. It's God.
God so, it's amazing. It's amazing.
It's true. I was I was telling my kids like that, you know that great phrase about bitterness, you know, and anger and bitterness is it's like drinking poison and expecting the other people other person to drop dead.
Yes. Yes. Yes. I love that statement. Great one.
Yeah, and you know worldview right optimism positivity rejection of victimhood. All that stuff is so
Important. Yeah, I can develop
tools to their tools for Success because there's so many people that contain they hold on to that stuff. What's that other expression that anger is a poison that kills the vessel that holds it. Hmm. Yeah. That's great. Yeah, they did but they do but you can you could use them as tools to understand people, you know like that feeling that you get it's a tool and that the understanding of like how to manage that
It is a tool you can you can use it and you could understand people better and then you'll recognize it in yourself better and it'll prevent you from making some catastrophic mistakes. And one of the things about like Angry bitter spiteful people say they rarely get anything done. I really accomplished anything good the really always have this bitter horrible feeling that there are carrying around with them.
Just yeah, I mean, it's I've I'm a big believer in and in therapy and
And personal digging and growth and stuff like that. I mean it's it's part and parcel with my recovery its recovery is not for everybody nor should it be but I think therapy could and should be I think I think it should like it should be like going and get your oil checked.
Do you do like AA meetings in the whole deal?
I you know, it's an anonymous program chat so you can say the the a a Gestapo will come and get me where they really if you stay here you go to a fish why it's in
what they call the Traditions, right? They literally like it's like the constitution of AA it's in the Constitution because the theory is if I were to say
a a works
I go to AA and then God forbid I slip
Then the person who might have been on the fence about going to AA will go I know that's bullshit. That guy was an AA and he slept that's the theory about
it. That's a weird Theory because I don't I don't sighs works right you get in shape and then you can just decide to eat Twinkies and you get out of shape, but doesn't mean the exercise doesn't work.
Listen. I I there people that you know, true traditionalist don't even like people talking it with the
That I talk about recovery publicly for that reason, but my thing is in this world addiction is such a fucking killer and there are so many families suffering from it that and and and every teenager is going to have to have figure out their relationship with drugs and alcohol every there isn't one who isn't going to have to and a lot of people going to fuck that up and some aren't but the more that conversation is out there and that people can can talk about it.
Openly as better. So I kind of a more public about it just because it's you know changed my life save my
life. I don't have alcoholism in my family nor personally, but I admire people who talk about recovery. I think it's important because I think especially someone like you because you're very famous public figure and when you talk about addiction and your own struggles people say well fucking Rob Lowe has a problem with booze like, okay, it's this is like a thing, right?
It's part of being a person. Yeah, for sure. I think I think it's very valuable. I think you talking about is very valuable. And I think it's
honorable. Well, thanks. I mean I and I get a lot of I get a lot out of it because inevitably, you know, I meet people who are earlier on their journey and it reminds me of how bad it can be if you don't keep an eye on it, you don't I mean, it's like yeah because I'm just one of those people that's like, you know, if it says take two aspirin
Then I immediately think well then five it's got to be fucking great. Then you should be that's right. That is the way my brain
works. Do you think that that's from becoming famous when you're very young? Like, what is the earliest big thing that you did was the earliest big project that you
did? I mean it was probably that that Karen Carpenter look-alike. Love thing I had going on but I got a
big well that was sort of but me you said that was
not the big knockout that put me on the teen magazines though. That's that
That I went from like a theater geek who couldn't like none of the cool girls gave a shit about because I was like because I was a theater geek and it's a good-looking fellow. I was pretty I didn't like football play in they all wanted the football players and the beach volleyball players and in that culture.
Like youth entertainment wasn't a thing. There was no MTV there was no ass magazine. There was no Nickelodeon. There's none of it. So like it was kind of this like
things are as to watch an 87. Look at
you 87 slight though. I mean we can roll that thing back to 79 and get some good shit. Duran Duran. Look at 1 G Fox good am the monkeys were still around what Duran
Duran, you know it.
Anyhow in Europe like things that are almost like campy here or still cool like Mirko Cro Cop is one of the baddest motherfuckers of all times is kickboxer used to come out to Duran Duran. That was his walk out song come out to Wild boils while boys well boys. Yeah. I mean, he's a fucking straight up killer. He's terrifying human being and even come out to Duran Duran. That's unbelievable. It's awesome. That's I loved it. I was like, that is the scariest human being on Earth. That's a fucking Duran Duran.
This is gonna be like, who is that baseball player? Anybody Babe Ruth? Yeah, that's him. But who's the the fucking gnarly motherfucker from Hawaii? BJ Penn? Oh, yeah, BJ. Yeah. So BJ when I met BJ and I don't know anything really much about the sport. He was like, you know that before every match I watch Youngblood my get the fuck out of here. What kidding me
bitch is crazy crazy so crazy
so fucking nuts. That's funny. Yeah, but that I don't
So you don't think they're connected becoming very famous at an early age sort of exacerbates because I would imagine it up but you got to have it in you. Okay,
you have to have any any was like
family thing. Is it
genetic it's partially genetics, you know, it's in the family for sure 100% sits in our in my family both sides the family, but some people don't have it some people do and what exacerbates it is the the access the, you know, all the stuff that you'd think it's like jet like
Fame and money and all that is jet fuel for addiction. And then on the other side of it is there's always in the back of your mind that if if it works out if I if I get this movie or get this part or whatever then it'll I'll feel better about myself and then you get it and you don't then you're really fucked. So that's why when people go he had it all I don't understand. Hehehe I go. I understand I understand perfectly. Yeah. He is dreams came true, and they didn't fucking
He was
yeah. Did you ever have impostor syndrome?
Oh, yeah, right.
I have a lot of syndromes, but I'm not sure I've had
that one does he think he didn't have because you're a famous early on.
Maybe I mean dude, it was like a normal thing to know because it because I also had a vision when I was a kid that I was going to do what I was gonna do like it really. Oh, yeah, like I was like, I knew it how I knew it is as sure as I'm sitting here smoking a cigar with you. I knew it. I knew I was going to be an actor and it was going to be successful and I knew was going to happen and and here's the thing. I was too young and too stupid to know otherwise and no one told me different. I'm so grateful that I didn't have someone telling me that.
99% of the people in The Screen Actors Guild these are people who are acting who've made it there in Hollywood. They're acting 99% of them can't support themselves as an actor really does the that's a true statistic. That's a crazy number. Now, if somebody had told me that I might have fucked me up and maybe my vision would have weakened Mmm
Yeah.
Yeah, that's interesting. Right? Like if somebody gives you like someone made it you made it people are obviously there's movies people are making it.
Like I said at my kids it doesn't I don't know what the odds are but somebody's got to do it. Why not?
Yes. That's a good way to look at it. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean that's that. That was the thing. I so I had that which is both a curse and a blessing because I knew I didn't have to go through the thing that so many people do where they don't really know where they fit in the world and don't know what their
gift is and don't know what they want to do.
Never wavered you have this idea. How old were you when you figured it out?
What if G I saw I saw a local theater production in Dayton, Ohio of Oliver all things my parents must have known one of the actors and there were kids in it and it was literally like out of a movie like all Oh, look The Light hit me in the skies parted. Why don't I want to do that and there was a sign-up sheet for summer kid.
Acting camp or whatever and I go I want to do that my parents like yeah sure and they I'm sure they thought it was like just camp or Little League or any other thing that a kid will but I knew it was the beginning of a step of what I wanted to do. I was deadly serious about it. Wow, that's
incredible. That's very fortunate because then
he'll start to work towards your
path like so many people are like 30 and they don't know what they want to do with their life doing something. They don't enjoy and like I want to find something that I enjoy.
They don't know what that is. That's a tech those conversations are terrifying to me. I've had conversations with people like I just got to find what what my thing is. I'm like fuck man,
it's hard and that's and that's you know, my biggest fear for my son's as you know, as a parent, you know, the the goals and issue is change with age and where there are now it's all about, you know jobs. Yeah, and you know, we've had those my favorites so my my youngest son John Owen
was the youngest intern at the Eli Broad stem cell laboratory in you know, the University of San Francisco during his summers in high school. And in fact was next to one of the scientists that won the Nobel Prize that year so he gets into Stanford goes to Stanford graduates with Straight A's and I'm thinking this is I've done it as a parent he's done it and then he comes back because I want to be in Show Business now, I want to kill myself.
As I quit was worse than one it was actually worse than I want to be in Showbiz. It was worse because it was I want to be an actor and I wanted to publicly
disembowel myself. Isn't that crazy? You are a successful actor you love doing it, but yet you didn't want your kid to do and then amazing
weird. It is really weird in there's so much to sort of unpack underneath that. Yeah.
Well, I don't think you want your kids to be in pain,
right?
The uncertainty of it. Yeah, it's like you I always used to read about this quote about Henry Fonda that to the day he died and he died with the Oscar for fucking on Golden Golden Pond next to him. He thought he would never work again.
Whoa,
and I was like that has to be bullshit. Guess what? It's not.
It's not it's fucking heavy. But then the other thing I would get in this is the other really weird thing is I'd wake up in the middle of the night and go. Oh my instinct to beat every creative fucking Instinct out of my children is is now indicted them and sentence them to a life of a drone in a cubicle. Whoo way worse. Do you know I'm saying? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah like your instinct to protect them from uncertainty has led them to the certainty of
Doom.
And then you realize you know what they're going to be who they are and and Johnny is a really talented writer and he's found his Niche and and ironically went right to work right out of Stanford. So it all kind of works out. You know, it really does but you we do is Dad's put our own fears in our own shit on our kids.
Oh, yeah, there's no doubt.
You know means if one of my kids told me they want to be a comic I'd be
terrified right?
Plus I also it's like
I don't.
There's there there's certain parts of Comedy that are so painful like the bombing.
Hmm. Like I don't think I
could be there if my kid was bombing.
It's I would feel it as much as
them. Do you remember a joke that you told once that bombed? Oh, yeah, really? Oh my God, you remember in the jobs of our a joke,
dude. I've bombed a
lot. I just can't believe that I don't I talk to her. I had George Lopez on my podcast two days ago, and he was talking about bombing. But your fucking Fred rogge your Joe Rogan. He's fucking you know, George Lopez. What the fuck? How do you guys don't bomb you have to
come up with new material? And if you're going to come up with new material some of them are going to be done.
That's just how it is. Yeah, and you also you have to take chances if you want to expand like comedy is a there's a there's a bunch of things going on, right? There's you relating to the audience. There's them liking you there's these concepts are trying to flesh out and especially to workout room like The Comedy Store like you have to take chances. There's no way around it and sometimes those chances fall flat on their face. The good thing is those through those painful failures. Those are like the biggest
ring boards to Improvement and growth like every time I've ever had a bad set. My next set has been amazing because you just feel the sting and you prepare better. And also like I think my past bombings have prepared me to not bomb again because the fact that I know what it feels like the suck.
Toad this so I always explain it that it's like something what's bombing like it's like sucking a thousand dicks in front of your mother, except. There's probably someone out there that likes sucking a thousand dicks in front of their mother. No one likes bombing, you know, this probably some guys just really into humiliation, but I don't think there aren't just no one out. There is in the
bombing. Oh man. I
just yeah, but because it's like,
oh, well, listen, listen. Well, what am I?
I will bet you that no one is bombed her than me. Well, that's not possible. I will be kind of comments time. You open mic none, bro.
How is it possible? Then? I buy we
your trusty servant next to us young. Jamie will pull up did you just and I we he can pull up me bombing.
In front of a billion people. What did you do the Academy Awards?
Oh you hosted it.
Well, here's the thing. So
talk about bombing. My dick's bigger than your dick about.
Um, I'm 24 24 years old. I'm doing my movies the Academy Awards asked me to do a big opening number for them. I'm like, holy fuck.
Shit, this is it. This is a Miss. Yeah,
we'll get pulled off of YouTube.
Yeah, God damn it these motherfuckers. So look, I'll play it for us. So what will the free play before any go with contacts? Look context? Oh stop stop or I'll bomb again. I'll bomb right now again. So they say to me they go we want you to do and I'm like, they're less years this high honor 86. Okay, high high honor sure and
I should have like probably thought it through because the idea didn't sound great to me. But it's the Academy Awards, you know, they know better than I do their show and the idea is it's going to be a no Maj old-time Hollywood and one of the earliest stars in Hollywood was Snow White the animated figure. So we're going to have a lot of girl obviously playing Snow White and we're going to do a duet because it's a big opening music.
Call number the Oscars always used to open with musical numbers for there were monologues. Really. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yes. This ended it ended it. So I'm like, okay, it's me. It's okay. Me and Snow White great. Okay. And anyway, Marvin Hamlisch is going to write it Marvin Hamlisch. I'm like, I know Marvin Hamlisch as you were at the sting down and it didn't well Scott Joplin with the
NG but Marvin Hamlisch won the Academy Award for they use Double AA squeeze a genius.
And you know, I'm not going to tell Marvin Hamlisch. I think that the lyrics are cheesy I could do that. So when they get Ike and Tina Turner's Proud Mary.
and change the lyrics to
Did a lot of work for well Disney? Oh, oh, yeah. Oh, no. It's like I'm saying it's about it. It's a
monogamous Isis and we're going to pause for the people at home. If you need to if you need to watch this YouTube Jamie. What is it? What is it
going on the Hollywood reporter's website. I don't know why it's there probably is.
So what is the title of the actual video Pablo bombs? That's how to make that disastrous open? I don't want Rob Lowe and Snow White's disastrous Oscar opening, February
20th.
That's actually the title at for the people. It literally says disastrous. Okay,
folks at home Google this watch it. And then we're going to pick this up after robbing. I watch this.
Is that Lily Tomlin at the end now, that's
the truncated version. Yeah didn't give you much of it. But can I tell you
something?
We're but I I that was the year that Barry Levinson I could
tell just from the first bar. Is that good to be bad? Yeah, when you're singing did you take singing lessons now? Fuck whole thing? What's that sound - 11 minutes long. So it's a lot inventive cheer Terror On YouTube if you want, okay until 11 minutes that ruined Hollywood producer Alan Carr's career forever. Hold on. We'll be right back. He's like wait, hang on. Hang on folks.
I need I need to see
this. First of all look at people in the audience. They're not happy. They don't like this. Look look at the reaction.
Okay? Okay. Okay, I get it. I get it. Okay. So I look
out in the middle is I look out in the middle of the audience and I see Barry Levinson. So he's at this on this Oscars. He's about to wind literally 11 Academy Awards as an actor. There's no one you would want to impress more than Barry Levinson. It's the year of Rain Man and I look out Joe in the
middle of this and I see his face. I'm not kidding and he's this is what he literally was going Himalayas. What the fuck
you see him actually make the I see him now
the words what the fuck and and so dumb a bombing and and I'm like, but you know, we have to have our our actors denial like we can't get through a career without a healthy dose of denial. So I'm like, you know, what fuck Barry Levinson. What does he know? Anyway, fuck that guy?
I go backstage and it's in the green room and it's early because know it's early in the show and there's a an older lady in the corner with like flaming red hair and I'm kind of looking at her and she sees me she was young man. I didn't know you were such a good singer come sit down. It was Lucille Ball and I went over and we sat down and she held my hand and we watch the Oscars together and you know what it made it all made it all almost worthwhile.
Almost
here's why that's not as bad as bombing doing stand-up. How is that not as bad as bad? Because even though a billion people watched it a you didn't write it and be you knew where you were going. You could just sing the stupid song and get it over with it's terrible its bombing. It's bad, but when you're bombing doing stand-up you are the writer. You are the Creator you are the performer put it together you edited it.
You prepared it. You got it ready? And then you're just up there eating shit and people are angry at you. They're angry. They're angry because
they can't relate they were angry. I'm sure they were angry. Here's the other thing they did that they had never occurred to the academy to maybe maybe that they needed to license the likeness of Snow White. What? Oh, yeah. Oh no. Oh, yeah, so and you know and you know how Disney is about likenesses? Oh, they're so easygoing
the other so they're so
a
generous so generous so that see I would have thought I would have I think I would have gotten away with it a little bit in terms of History had there not been massive lawsuits the next day
over
the likeness thing which made them people thought about when people went back on wait a minute that fucking sucked way worse than I thought it did.
What was the next thing you did after
that?
I think the say would it have been I feel like it might have been bad influence with Kurt with James Spader incur. One of my favorite movies. I
got the great movie. Well then Z that's a good way to bounce back. You have a good one. Let's look at the bright side.
Yeah. No listen, and and it is a did you consider saying no. No, I a people-pleasing Midwestern. ER at 24 right does not say no to the academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. They don't
And every year every year I am treated to the honor the high honor of being on the list of most embarrassing Oscar moments every fucking year. And in my thing is this as I go. Hey, wait guys, you couldn't figure out how to announce the best picture two years ago, and I'm the problem still
well wasn't your fault. I mean, no one would have saved that no one.
No one not a fucking human being could have jumped up there and saying that and had it made any sense. Maybe Jim Carrey,
maybe. Yes, maybe Jim
Miriam Carey could have done it, but he would have gone full Ace Ventura over the top and people would have been just laughing hysterically at how crazy he
is. It's it's one of my great career low light / highlights. It actually it actually kind of makes me laugh with with the onset of perspective in
That's the beautiful thing about failures. They eventually become funny and I can
yes back at them. It only took 30 years.
It's great. Like there's some movies man that are terrible terrible movies, but they're really funny to revisit right like Showgirls things along those lines
OSHA. I'm a big show girl. It's a
fucking great movie. I think they might have offered me Showgirls ha you said it
I think they might offer me the comic on McLaughlin has he really? Oh, yeah. I'm pretty sure
that had sex with Elizabeth Berkley in the water that
Easy scene where she's spazzing out while he's having sex with her. Do you remember that? She's spazzing. Oh my God, it's one of the craziest scenes ever didn't make any sense. They
were actually surpassing it
doesn't make any sense. It's like they were on coke when they were doing the movie writing the movie performing the movie and they just their connection with what's realistic or even entertaining or or even possible doesn't make any sense. Like if you were having sex with a woman and she was flailing around like that. You kept going you'd be a criminal like she's having a
seizure there's which is an elliptic fit.
They were in a pool and for whatever reason she starts flopping. I mean like they're they're making out he's got his arm around her and she's throwing her body like slapping it against the water in this like insane like who I just want to know who was filming that was like cut we got it. We fucking got you got that one. We got it. Just know that you could hear the fucking Jackhammer heart.
Rate of everyone product filming it because they're all coked up. Have you seen that
scene? I find the non-porn
side, you know, we want to answer the hosted so we can watch I think that's going to doesn't have it
the porn sites have it.
Yes, sir. Why is she topless in is that what it is? Probably?
Don't you remember the topless part C is so ridiculous. They
I mean there are no really there's no nudity and movies anymore. But in the 80s you had like that was I had the page 73 rule because that's always the page. The nude seeds were on there were always on page 73 why don't you because that's the middle of the
set is so they're making out. Yeah, he's pouring. Oh, there you go naked not on YouTube stuff.
Yeah XVideos so they start fooling around and she gets on top of them. And then once they start doing it, she starts flailing. I mean she like you see it here looks she is normal. This looks almost normal almost crazy, but then she gets really spastic and she starts throwing herself on the fucking water. Look at this. Look at this. Come on, man. What's happening? What is that?
Is that for
real? Yes, it is for real that was in the movie.
V and I mean and when people have to remember she's the sweetheart from Saved by the Bell, right? And this was going to be her her break from Saved by the Bell this beautiful girl and he's the guy from Wow fucking I had blue
velvet I had forgotten but that can you imagine making that movie today? No. Yeah, no page 73 that because it's the middle of Act 2 in any writer out there knows that the middle of the second act is the Sahara of creativity. That's like that's when you're you're like a
Alone with your thoughts and you're like
fuck we gotta get to the ending and someone's gotta make it
it's someone's got to get naked and usually it would have been
me. How many times did you show your butt in a movie too? Many how many if you get a guess it was the 80s we
did
this when we did it's was my job. This was 90s. That movie was
like that's right at the end. Yeah. I was in
Hollywood. I was living here. So I moved here in 94. So that was that had to be like ninety five, right 97 only go
because there's also
Are aware Coke was openly sold on sets. Really? No. Yeah. Wow sure. Wow. It was either the camera department or the prop Department makes more sense to be the prop department and their job is to go get shit for you, right? Yeah. I'm just you know, when when we did Outsiders we were kids, you know Cruz and me and Matt Dillon and all this way. All everybody were we were young? I was 17. Whoa turning 18 and
see Thomas Howell who played Ponyboy the lead in the movie was 15 and when we would finish shooting we'd get in the Vans to get driven back to the hotel and there would be as much beer as you want it. He's
15.
It's much beer as you wanted to and that think that's a studio. Look at you guys.
Look at that waitress for you you
can you can you pull that photo up to see our feet. Is that possible because that fit there it is it's down there. Okay. Look at look at Swayze.
He's standing on bricks whose feet. He wanted to be taller not great Swayze standing on bricks in the back of
that. Oh, that's hilarious. Great. It's my favorite areas. It's my favorite thing speaking of Swayze Roadhouse. That's another horrible movie. That's amazing. But
people yeah people love that movie. It's great. It's fucking
great. It's great. He's a bouncer. Yeah. Yeah. He's the baddest Bouncer and that's part of the things like I thought you were going to be bigger.
Remember that hmm, that's like one of the lines of the movie because he's a Legendary Bouncer that they bring in to fix really bad honky-tonks
the bat problems at the door. Yeah. It's an it's an epi pen demick. Even the people trying to get in the
neck grab someone's neck composer throat out in the
movie. I mean, it's so
good pain don't hurt that's actual line and movie paint on hurt. Those 80s lines are so so good. That's a
Such a great one because he's so beautiful such a beautiful
Swayze was an Adonis. He was an Adonis he would just he tried to get us to put that godforsaken song She's Like the Wind in Youngblood. We were like like
there it is. He pulls off a guy's throat how many hits him with the worst spinning back kick ever in the but watch he pulls his throat and look at this point. Yeah.
It's so bad. It's such a bad. Kick. You probably Blues ACL out doing that. It's so
stupid. He was the best man did he was the mo he might be the most intense guy ever worked with really? Yeah. He he be up all night writing and like doing bodyweight push-ups with his feet up against a wall all night long and and then show up at this set having not slept and wanting you to hear his new demo. He was like a lot. That's great. That's great.
But no, I remember I remember she's like the wind and I was like, I don't know how that fits in a hot one. We're making a hockey movie bro that fits in the hockey movie. Well, I didn't want that in there and then sure enough what Dirty Dancing comes out and that movie is in it and goes to number one.
Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, but that moving. Okay. That was a good movie
Dirty Dancing Yeah, that's a great movie. That was a great movie Ghost is his big big best movie. Yeah ghost is a great movie. That's a great movie great
movie.
He did a lot of Point Break was a great move. Great movie. He did some great movies. Yeah, he's he's
Johnny was in was in Youngblood, but I thought he was French. I thought he was a french-canadian goalie. Really? I didn't know he was an actor.
I thought I literally thought he was we hired this amazing french-canadian. Goalie. I can't believe how young you guys were a now that's so crazy. They were given you boos. Look at kind of space.
It's exactly the same as it is now. That's John Wick. Here. He is. He's
just that's John fucking wept applied himself.
How great is John Wick? I love we love those
movies. Right love those movies of them. I love those
movies. What's the hall the crazy gun training like that period tactical I go there did it's badass right ago. I do I'll bring you I would love to do. Okay. Let's
go I go there all the time. Really? Yeah, go there like once a week late. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Oh I'm in. Yeah, it's well, it's good to learn how to shoot a gun properly if you're going to own guns, but
I mean Taryn, he's the best
why I shoot regularly, but I you can't do any that tactical stuff unless you're on a tactical range. All
right, so and you really want to do it with someone like Taryn we actually show you how to do it really correctly. Yeah.
So, I mean, I'm on the Range all the time, but I'm never that. It's very very I'd love to get the Tactical. That's a great thing about here's the thing I learned about guns. It was hilarious is that when I was learning how to shoot properly. I was shooting like an actor.
Because you have to supply the kick.
Oh, right, right, right.
It's so all my experience with guns is playing guys who have gone.
So blacks have a kicked. It's not like a
real good. So like you want to make it look good in the movies. You want to give it that that little thing so I would get out of the range and I would be doing am I acting she'd be like getting in a fight and purposely Missing You by 3 Inches. I know what a movie
fight. Right, right,
right like I'd fight you but I'd missed you on purpose. It's the same.
Same with weapons training. Yeah.
Well, you'd have to get that out of your system. Yeah, he would get out of here quick. It's counter goes there. He's there all the time.
I mean you'd have to like I would think if you're John Wick you better stay facile.
Yes. Well, that's where he learned. Yeah.
Yeah. See those this there on YouTube this famous videos where there's the timer. Yeah, and you got to get through all of the hmm. I mean,
Look at him. Look at him. Look at him. There. It is. Dude. He's such a badass. He's a beast man. He's really good at that. Look at him.
I have an entire section in my phone. That just says guns
look at him. Oh that shoulder hurts that shotgun. Woohoo. It
doesn't it's not that bad.
something about it all
but that tactical one they have
felt boy. He's shooting dummies from like two inches away.
Whose was that Laura Croft behind
him? No, there's a bunch of really hot girls that Taran has that he teaches it's really so that's how we but she got behind. That's how we bury bro. Jeez.
What's that Jamie? It's a new one. I just clicked on it. Yeah, because she's in I just sent you one because she's in John Wick 2003. She's in three as choosing for is to the best one. I like one one's my favorite. Yeah, because first of all I don't I love three but there's no muscle cars Chad. Hey Chad, put the fucking muscle cars back in prayer this
exactly took
doink.
It's fun. See see he teaches you how to do it it teaches you correct form and all the look at this. Yeah, it's fun. Me and my buddy Tom Segura we go there all the time. I'm doing I'm in it's fun. It's fun to learn and it's you know, it's very it's valuable education in the fact that he's right here that he's in in California. It's amazing
and you can shoot rifles
there who's got ranges for long range stuff.
All kinds of stuff. They're
all that's Deck anything active. Amen. I mean like I'm the guy that always says yes to everything. Hence. Why the Oscars I'll say it's like like my default answer is yes, but it's also by the way why I think that I've managed to navigate so many changing currents in the industry because because I don't get stuck right in one place like when I when I when I went on The West Wing like that, it's hard to think now, but in those days TV was still considered like a lesser medium
It was really oh, yeah, that's
right. Yeah, people would get
upset. He's Daddy stop. Yeah, I don't do TV. Yeah, all that stuff.
Yeah. I'm ever God did said that to me when I was on a TV show just like I want to do film when
I mean it was a real thing. It was a real perception and now it's you know, obviously everybody wants to do it. But
well now it's Netflix is actually better than film because now you could be on a show like Ozark where it says gray fuck.
So I'm right but it's like a film every week and it's concurrently keeps going and chase some stuff that man. He's so good. He's such a stud. He's so good as an actor, but he's so good as a writer a director like everything he that show is so goddamn good.
I knew him when he was on Little House on the
Prairie. Oh Jesus, I forgot about that. Oh my God, he was on that some
Little House on the Prairie. He's so good which just goes to show you you never know.
No, you never know. Don't know. No you never
do you never I mean
Germans are versatile, right like just because someone does want you know, like there's so many people that you think like, oh that guy's of this and then he winds up being this amazing musician you like how what hmm like what well humans are versatile, you know,
and and it takes people sometimes to even within their Lane takes them out. Sometimes a while to find what they're like, really really special app,
right? Yeah.
Yeah, like he's really really special with
that a guy for me as I've tried to it. Look at him. Whoa. Look at how cute that
is him. Look at that little
button. Look at him. Could he be any cuter couldn't still got the same hair basically does
Man, you talk about a guy who's been around a long fucking time. Yeah, he knows.
What's what God. Damn Gina is the lay of the land who fucking Michael Landon. Come on. Yeah
was Michael Landon Aquaman
Patrick Duffy Patrick. Duffy was a man from Atlantis man from Atlantis. I saw the first thing did the first time I ever saw something being filmed in, California.
I had just come out from Ohio was 1976 and traffic was all blocked off at the Malibu Pier and I got out of my and I saw the lights it was in the daytime. It was it was so long ago. They still had lights for daytime shooting and they were about to do a stunt where Patrick Duffy is the man from Atlantis was going to jump off the Malibu Pier and I was so fucking excited. I used to
try to swim like him because remember the man from the don't see ya.
Verbs and my favorite thing was what made him from Atlantis was this part of his body had a web. Yes. It's this is it right here. There's only had and couldn't breathe underwater. He could breathe underwater. But this made
that was all they could afford with the special effects webbing between his thumb and forefinger. I was I'm so into it. Laughs I'm not going to get Lantus guy. Anyway real. Oh,
yeah. Fuck. I love it. I'm trying to figure out where it was. They think they found it. They think they found something that represents exactly what the depictions of Atlantis were like these these Rings concentric Rings. They think that there's some place. Oh
God, I want to say like, I
want to say office pain of the coast of Spain but is it isn't the
our guy Graham saying the
Atlantis was the Civil the pre-existing civilization and it was not an island or one place. It was all of
it. Yeah. Yeah, that's what they think but you know, it's all speculation. But whatever it was, you know, there's so many different versions of that so many different versions of this like spectacular Seaport civilization that was destroyed in the flood like the flood of the Bible like Noah's Ark there's also there's a
ancient story called The Epic of Gilgamesh. Yes, of course and that in that store is a very similar story about a flawed and this is one of the things that Graham Hancock points to that. There's all these civilizations that talk about had no
no no interaction with each other and theory and yet they all have the same oral histories. I did a show with my boys called the low files and it's it was basically it was an excuse for my boys and I to run around in a souped-up Raptor around the country and explore Urban.
Wow, and it was it was Anthony Bourdain meets Scooby-Doo for a while. It was a fucking dream come true. That sounds awesome. In a dream come true. What would networkers is for a any the work that they were great that they let us do it, but it couldn't have been a worse fit when they put us with Ancient Aliens for one night. We blew the roof off the place really and we got to look for the wood ape. We got to look for bigfoot. We did poltergeists.
So files, you can find the opening credits for for low files. It's one of my proudest moment. What year is this four years ago?
Let's see if they give me some volume on this. So what you look for in trouble two ways and blue are still can't wait. JoJo didn't see my omage the very very end that
my omage to Hawaii Five-O. It's a very last 30 seconds of the clip. You have to see it because okay. I'm sure you remember this great shot from Jack Lords credits. Okay, then fy5. Ow, it's it's right at the end.
Go From Here Right Here Right Here Comes
Remember that shot yet
Alchemy. Hey, do I didn't like it? That's hilarious.
I die design design that whole credit sequence. I've got the song I did the whole it's one of my favorite things. I've done
Blue Oyster Cult Don't Fear the Reaper its best. It's a great fucking song So What what are the subjects you went for
bigfoot? We did Bigfoot twice. We did Bigfoot up in in Northern, California in Walnut Creek the family in Ohio and film was shot.
We did the turns out the would a type of Arkansas Oklahoma is the most active place and that was where we really where we had some really radical experiences where I heard stuff and you heard asking. Oh, yeah. I heard like lip popping and like and like could be like chest-beating
really what you really think. It was real. I heard chest-beating. I don't know, you know who made a great fucking Bigfoot movie Bobcat Goldthwait what? Yup he made
A great Bigfoot movies. Scary Bigfoot movie was it called again? You remember?
Willow Creek. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Did you remember
ever seen? I'mi'm? Okay. What is
this? He did it like Blair Witch style.
I'm writing that down. I love that. It's fucking good
man. We had we had a
great time and it's all these we went with all these guys who are like real legit people. They're like regular people and they spend their time out in the woods and they've know how many are out there and it was crazy Matthew my youngest son's through the thermal imaging Psalm hiding but like doing the thing that I really think the Bigfoots real
I don't know. I mean, here's a like I like the slogan for the low files was it's more fun to
believe it definitely is more fun to
believe and that's really where I come down on it's like I don't have a dog in the fight, but it's way more fucking fun
for sure way more fun. I want it to be I want Bigfoot to be real. I've always wanted to be real mom. The problem is the people looking at it also want it to be real they're they're trying so hard. They see Shadows they
Ink that are Bigfoot. There's some interesting things. There's some interesting things in terms of like dermal ridges they found on footprints.
And there are some hints there's a lot of hair samples and should they come back and they don't know where that what they got them from
not really really. Yeah. I looked into that. So tell me how did I did a show called Joe Rogan questions everything for sci-fi and me and my buddy Duncan went up to the Pacific Northwest and we did real we brought stuff to real biologists and we actually had samples analyzed it their all bear and and then when they say that there's some human or primate primate DNA, it's always contaminated. It's like the
Chain of custody between the actual piece of hair and getting into the labs always contaminate. Yeah. There's no one just stop
sits next to their granola bars and their backpacks are talking about.
Yeah, if you touch something you get your sweat on and it can show up as human DNA or animal DNA mixed with human DNA. It's the problem is the people that are into it the real the real problem is they want to believe so fucking bad that they just have this crazy confirmation bias and they yeah, they only look at the good
things while Our Fate
My favorite episodes of the low files were the ones we didn't find shit. There were my favorite because that's fun because it just a dad and two idiot kids, you know having a
blast the thing about Bigfoot. That's interesting is Native Americans had more than a hundred different names for that animal. Yes, and they don't have names for other mythical creatures. And then on top of that there was an actual animal called a gigantopithecus and it was a huge ape ape-like creature that stood on two legs and walked upright and was probably some sort of
Like orangutan, like it probably looked exactly like what we think of as Bigfoot was an actual real animal. Have you ever seen the images
I have and I it's funny. There's the Deep connection between Native Americans and that Legend is really really profound. Like I've had in India in one of the episodes that we did we talked with with the some of the elders and they will say no, I won reach through the window and touched my chest and like it's like you're like this guy is not
Great, that's not a crime not talking to a
crazy person. Right but they also have peyote. Well, I need an Americans have other shit. That's true. I would let you see Bigfoot. Maybe that's that's the thing that you only see Bigfoot. He Bigfoots real but he's interdimensional you only see them when you're on drugs that could happen that that absolutely could be real like if you get on the right psychedelics, you'll meet
it's funny, you know as a sober guy. I there's part of me that wishes because I like I like mushrooms, but only like once or twice a year because it's so fucking fun and get like you said you get all that stuff going.
But I did them last week part of how was it. Did you laugh a lot because all I did was last
post Malone and I did a podcast we did mushrooms. Oh my God. Yeah. We had a good ol time.
How long how long are you tripping?
Well, the podcast is four hours long and we were drinking too. So it was like just Madness. It was all just like mushrooms. I could feel the mushrooms and I was getting high to he wasn't smoking pot. But we're drinking Bud light's and was a lot of chaos.
This is like exactly what my 80s were like,
but I but I think about people go and do Ayahuasca and do those those that really appeals to me
that's different in that, you know, you could call it a drug, but it's DMT, which is what Ayahuasca brings up, right? That's what it's the active ingredient. You're still you and you're not drunk. That's what's weird about it. Well, I don't know what it is. But if you wanted to get real woo, you would call it some sort of a chemical Gateway into another dimension or to another.
Realm that you can't access without it. It doesn't seem like a drug.
But how is it not any different than I got stoned and I saw crazy
shit. Well, first of all, it's endogenous, right? So your brain actually has this chemical inside of it. It's one of the more interesting things about this drug is that your body knows how to process it. So well, like if you do Coke, right? Like I'm sure your coked up for a long time, right your body's all fucked up for a long time dimethyltryptamine. Only last like 15 minutes. What?
Yeah, your body recognizes what it is. So it brings you back to Baseline very very
quickly. So if you do this, yeah, it's a 15-minute
experience. Yeah, the Ayahuasca takes longer because Ayahuasca is an orally active version of it. So what Ayahuasca is is the roots of one plant and the leaves of the other so you have DMT in one plant and then the other plant you have something called an MAO inhibitor Mao is mano a mean oxidase and that's produced by your gut to break down dimethyltryptamine and a bunch of other chemicals, but it breaks down dimethyltryptamine.
Because dimethyltryptamine in a bunch of different plants. So you will you could trip just eating phalaris grass if you didn't have monoamine oxidase in your gut, so when you eat this graph, if you ate the grass nothing would happen because your body would break it down. But if you had an MAO inhibitor, then you would trip balls well
and then the other thing that people talk about whether it is like
I vomited for five hours. Yeah. That's the problem with Ayahuasca. You're gonna blow your asshole out. You're going to diarrhea throw up its disgusting stuff.
Tough, you know the I don't do that. It's also because you're getting the plant you're getting all the stuff that's you know, not the active ingredient from these roots in these leaves to and then also your body's freaking
out. What did you have you ever had any Awakening or Vision or
I'm out a lot of Visions on dimethyltryptamine. Yeah,
and he's anything that you could that you once you got once you were done tripping that didn't seem like the ramblings of a Madman or was just of
Like oh, wow. I had a I had a
revelation it's hard to say did they all seem impossible to describe to anybody else other than people that have experienced it but what it does make you realize is that how the thing that I always felt when I came back as like how is this possible that you could go to a place like this or you can see something that's way more Vivid and way more powerful than regular life like whatever it is.
Is it it's not it's not like it's it's dull and confusing and you feel drugged and you feel less you feel more. You see more it's more vibrant. It's more powerful and whatever is over there seems to know you it seems to understand it seems to be you're communicating with something something. That's far more intelligent than you far more advanced and not hindered by all of the things.
That were hindered by like our egos and our are nonsense and our insecurities and our civilization and culture. It's like it's some sort of other kind of Consciousness, you know, and and it's they joke about things they make fun of you like one time. I did it and all these gestures like this like a
Geometric pattern of jesters like a fractal-like infinite gestures were giving me the finger like this. Fuck you like mocking me and the message that I got was that I was taking myself too. Seriously, like maybe even like Wow Mike my intentions going into the trip. I was taking myself too seriously, and I remember relaxing on OK and and they're like, that's right. Like they're nodding their head like, yes, like it was a message like
Stupid you know, you take yourself too. Seriously. Fuck you. Fuck you. I like gestures like with the hat and
everything. So in your life now, like let's say you are stressing out about something as very seriously do the fractal gestures gestures. Do you remember them and go home? Yeah. I had this very very, you know, I mean like like it you bring something back that you can you kindly use in your this Dimension this
time humility. There's a humility that comes from real.
Experiences that you just because you know that they are possible. It's makes you it makes you second-guess the significance of regular existence because it seems like the whatever that think that might be where you go when you die. Okay, I
was waiting for the yeah. I was waiting for the moment. I was waiting for the moment. So if you know if that's what it is, here's I because I don't do drugs, but I've been meditating a bunch and that's one of the things that people have been telling me for years to do.
All the people that I admired and meditation is a part of their lives and I've every time I do it. I just go to sleep or I start thinking about shit that I can't control but I've recently started doing it. It's really been amazing and I've definitely noticed some changes and it's also affected the quality of my dreams and I you're familiar with Vivid dreaming sure right so should be Lucid this dreaming vendor. Yeah, so I've had a number of them and
I had I had done some meditating on I don't mean to overstep but like what is it all about right or everybody wants to know that sounds cliche. Yeah, and so I did that and then I had a had a lucid dream that night and then a lucid dream. I went to that place and it was it looked like it look like that like Avatar, you know, like the James can't get like was a or FernGully it was like or like like Kauai with the
Waterfalls and rainbows and and I was flying but I was me but I wasn't me right? No, I didn't have a body but I could think and it was it was I was definitely me and the surroundings were so in the feeling was so full of euphoria and love like I started we like weep sobbing of happiness and
then then all of a sudden the voice no, but what about my family? I'm here now and they're not here yet because it was it was sort of the theory was that I had gone to heaven or whatever the fuck it was. And here's the freaky part is I realized you know, they're already there because time is not linear. So here the my takeaway from this dream my ramblings of a Madman. We're already
there. Well, your brain does produce psychedelic chemicals while you're
I think that's one of the things about DMT. That's so closely related to dreams is that it's really hard to remember after it's over but so vivid when it's
happening this are remembered like and I remember it now like like I witnessed and that's what made it different and
special maybe the Improvement in the way your brain was working because of the meditation that you'd gotten yourself into a state where you can access
it, but I think and I physically asked for it before I went to bed.
No, I actively I actively we done it again since I have and I haven't had I've had smaller fleeting versions of this but this is like being starring in a movie. It was like it was
happening. I think James Cameron nailed something in that Avatar film that resonates with people in a very strange way. Not just that it was an awesome movie and it was a fucking awesome movie but that he nailed something.
That made people want to live like that. You know, there was a thing they were talking about after that movie called Avatar depression where people were leaving the film and they were depressed that their life was nothing like Avatar like Pandora like living like the novel that's it. Yeah, there was something about what he nailed. He nailed something in that movie was like the spiritual connection. It was very Ayahuasca like to this is connection to Mother Earth and the nature and
and and spirits and the connection of all of them. It was there's something about that film. He he hit some nerve with people. I've never heard of another film generating depression that you know, there's no Star Wars depression Ali stop. When you see
some of the ones that have recently come out. Yeah, that's
depressing then well, that's what happens when the executives get a hold of it and they say, okay, you got to go to Cuba and grab the people and put him in the boat. That's right. And then they listen temperature.
That's exactly right. That's exactly what happened.
But you know James Cameron such a force of nature. You can't really do that to him. He figured something out in those movies. He figured out how to tap into some sort of Elemental area of the psyche that people it just resonated with people like sort of the same way. I think you know people that talk about folks that live like a subsistence life, you know people that have gone to the woods and they just live off the land they talk about this like deep connection to Nature that they get from that and how it makes them feel fulfilled.
You don't feel depressed. They feel very engaged. And you know, there's a guy named. Hi Moe. He lives in the Arctic and vice did this whole series on him called the hind Mozart adventure and one of the things that he was saying as he came out there like in the 1970s to work for the Forestry Department. They just live there for the rest of his life. He's up there right now with his family like he's married to this indigenous woman and they live off the land Heats caribou and fish and his whole life is like hunting and Gathering but he's like this is how people are supposed to land is a very intelligent man.
Very articulate. So when you hear them talk is not some weirdo that lives in the woods. He's a guy who recognizes like there's something about this that resonates with humans this life this like being your you're connected in the way that you're supposed to be and he thinks that what we've done by creating cities and electricity and electronics and you know, social media and all the bullshit that we deal with today that we've disconnected ourselves from the things that that really make us human and that I believe that his his life is more
Connected to it but there's even a deeper connection and that's how the navi lived and you know, if you read about there's there's many stories about Native Americans where they would especially the Comanche would kidnap people they would kidnap like young children. They all that great
book. Which one under the Harvest Moon.
Oh, okay. Yeah, do yourself a favor aye well, well Empire of the summer Moon which one that I'm talking about the ones right? Oh, okay. Yeah the same one. Yeah about yeah Cynthia Ann Parker. Yeah. Yes. He's wonderful.
Photo of her out there in the lobby.
That's who that is Cynthia. I knew I knew I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah
that Quanah Parker. That's her son that guy over there on the one that's made out of bullet shells one of
my favorite books ever
fucking amazing amazing. That's amazing. And that's one of the things that they said was that she did not want to go back to Western civilization. She's like you guys live like idiots like this is a bullshit way to live. There's something about that movie that tapped into that but also tapped into this like spiritual realm that exist inside.
Academics Cameron fucking nailed it man, he now and a lot of people like, oh they ever had him on. No. No, he's lucky. He's the
great firstly the most humble. I've never worked with him. But my dear dear dear dear friend who passed away a few years ago Bill Paxton. I
love that guy. He's the best.
So one of my best friend's one of my best friends and he's he and Jim were in Roger corman's production Mill together. They were both like stand by painters. So he's been in every Jim Cameron movie.
Were ever made and he introduced me to gemenon there was a minute where I was going to play the Billy Zane part in Titanic and the gym is he's like, there's no one like him this literally nobody
the fucking guy went to the bottom of the ocean
with a so Bill and he went to these bills a goddamn Jim's
taking me down to the Titanic. I'm going next
Thursday
and and
they went down to the Titanic they had lunch on.
The deck of the fucking Titanic what? Yeah. Oh my God men bill came out and everybody was like ashen-faced and freaking out and 9/11 had happened.
Whoa, Bill
Paxton was on the deck of the Titanic when 9/11 have Holy Jim Cameron.
Is that crazy? Oh my God.
That's insane insane. That's
insane. But I'm dying to see this new Avatar movies
and no one of these supposed to happen. I mean everything's all fucked up now because the covid right?
Yeah. I heard they keep getting pushed and pushed and and push beginning like he's bet the farm on them. I mean, I he's the one guy he's the guy like they're very few people who could get me to go to a movie theater anymore.
Yeah, I'd do anything for that guy's movie.
Maybe Chris Nolan maybe the first one but for sure James Cameron
Bill Paxton was
Of the most underrated vampire movies of all time. Yeah after dark after dark member that it's great. Now that's a movie. No people don't they don't remember that. That was a fucking great vampire
movie. He's a
budget 1 billion only build up with mean
only James Cameron and that's for free, but that's for three movies. Is it but still by the way, don't make a billion dollars in six months
my first day and maybe
Even streaming it might make a billion dollars like even even if it came out today best deal in the world. Yeah, I'd love I hate to say this because I love movies and I do love going to the movie theater, but the fucking consequences of going to the movie theater of dealing with people like people that are texting or talking
to it. That's what drove me out of the movie theaters was the glow of people's phones when that started I was out. Well people talking
to is so annoying, but when people are not annoying like, you know, the nine out of 10 times, it's fucking amazing because you
The energy of all the other people especially a comedy like I remember I went to see Team America World Police. Oh my god with me my friend Eddie Bravo and a bunch of other friends. We are baked out of her fucking mind and we went to see that in a crowded theater. We were we were dying and everyone was dying there were so many people laughing. It was like the end it was like being in a comedy club like the energy of all the other people in the film bar. And the theater
Borat was the last one fantastic like that where the minute the credit started with it.
Music in it. I was
the whole was one of my favorite but yeah America, come on God. Yeah, those guys guys are National
Treasures are National Treasures.
Yeah Dolly still there. One of the one groups of people that can avoid cancel culture because their Creations are these things that aren't even people these like weird little cartoon so you can kill them. They can they could say outrageous shit. They can do everything they want like they're there. It's like the perfect vehicle for mocking.
Culture scene that great YouTube clip or there in the recording studio there in the recording booth. Yes. Yes, and they're doing the
what's it called like six days or something like that.
It's I've never met them there. It's fine as either. They're all some know. What I love is having people still at this point in my life that I'm huge fan of that. I haven't met because and then I hope my better that way
keep them. Well, you know what?
It's really like that for me is people I don't like because as a sports fan you got to have villains.
Right. So like I remember not wanting to meet Larry Bird because I'm a Lakers fan and I don't and I never wanted to be really who I really didn't want to meet with Danny Ainge. Hmm. And of course I met him and he was fucking awesome and I fuck like who am I gonna hate now as a comic? It's a real problem because
if you meet someone you really like them. You can't make fun of me anymore. Like I met Jenny McCarthy once and she was so nice out of cut her out of my
ACT. Oh,
no.
Bit about her where they said she was going to take her breast implants out. And I said that's like Tiger Woods chopping his fucking arms off. I go put them back in and make them bigger and no talking and it's it was so mean but then I met her she was so nice so
friendly than great story Spade tells about he did that in he used to do with the Hollywood minute on Weekend Update. It was the meanest funniest thing we make fun of celebrities and at one point, you know, we all have down times in our career.
It's an honor to have a fallow time in your career because it means you've been around. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, and Eddie Murphy had been in a fallow time and and Spade in the middle of update had Eddie Murphy's picture come up on the screen would look kids a falling star.
And within five minutes, the phone was ringing on Studio 8h, it was Eddie. Oh my God Aid. Oh my God. Yeah. I mean, I'm telling a story the only because Spade publicly tells it and it's amazing. But like with any Murphy said, well, he was he went fucking nuts, but spade a spade tells a great story of like trying to avoid the call like running and ducking ProHeat a spade is like a tiny little Willow the
Wisp. He's so
small, right?
You got that's the thing is like, you know, yeah you got it's good to keep some people at a distance so you can continue to root against them. Let's face it.
Well, my friend Bill Burr was talking about that the other day he was on his podcast. He does with Bert Kreischer and they were they were talking about meeting a president because I don't want me to present he was why because ain't then he can't make fun of them and was talking about his bit about Michelle Obama and he has this amazing bit about Michelle Obama and you know, and he's like if
I met her I couldn't do that bit. Yeah, it's right you could it do feel bad feel like I'm throwing her under the bus. She's a nice
lady twice paid stop doing Hollywood minute. He just couldn't do it anymore. And it was like a big big deal big big franchise of Weekend Update.
Yeah. Yeah, that's part of the problem. But it's you know it is it is what it is. What are you going to do? Yeah, I can't make fun of people. I love it's hard.
That's why I came on the show. I
Make sure that the day ever came you'd think twice about going here, you know is a fucking idiot Rob life. Have you ever seen his fucking retarded
goddamn
opening number for the Oscars? He might get in trouble right now for saying retire. I know Maria Shriver who's one of my best friends who runs the best buddies program. I'm a sponsor one of the original people best buddies. I know it can't say. Yeah, but here's the thing and I know weird say that word but that word
does not mean someone who has a chromosomal disorder. It doesn't it means like someone who's an idiot. That's what it means.
It doesn't mean that like if you said that about someone who has Down syndrome, it'd be a terrible person terrible person. But if you say that about someone who believes the Earth is flat, you're right guess yeah the retarded it's we have a real problem with Banning certain words, like they mean a lot of different things. There's Nuance to the human language and you demonize words that are really effective. You know, what you're gonna get you're gonna get a lot of people acting retarded because there's no word for it anymore.
That's right. And also somebody was telling me
Were with Emoji culture and text culture that are that are language or language change forever for sure because now no one cares about punctuation. I mean, it's just no one cares is not look down upon it is is it isn't a sign of lack of Education anymore. It has no pejorative attached to it. And I was sort of bemoaning that and somebody had no. No, the point of language is for it to become to for it to evolve and to become
For lack of a better better better and what if you read the letters from the Civil War right? That's great. Like a flowery beautiful that like the most, you know, like a private in the Army would write right now today the private the Army is sending a three second text, but that's progress because it's actually requires less time you get the same information.
And it's you haven't had to go through the time and effort of the other at least that was the theory that somebody's telling you it made me feel better about it. I
don't know if that theory is correct. That's like saying that people who read texts all day and they read tweets and bullshit nonsense on social media that's better than reading books because I don't think it's true,
but it's probably not it's just easier. It's probably no. I'm just trying to feel better about picture
today. I'm
I'm hopeful about it the culture today, but there's more challenges. There's more more information more things. So there's more challenges but I don't think that's necessarily bad. It's just you're going to you're still a brilliant people you just going to have it's easier to be a moron today and survive, you know back in the Civil War days, you know, if you're writing a letter back home. I mean, I wonder what education was like back then to write mean it was probably
couldn't have been great. Yeah. No, it couldn't have been but you know that that famous letter of Sullivan.
Alou that ends the first episode of Ken Burns documentary the Civil War that's famous and they put that beautiful song underneath it. It's
like I know it's crazy to read the way they wrote Oh So flowery. Yeah. So
eloquent so eloquent so moving and it was like a piece of art and and that was just a regular dude right home to
his wife. Yeah. If someone wrote like that home to their wife their friends would read and go
I think your husband's gonna
How's the name is Sullivan Ballou
wasn't what yam, what is Sullivan into musicals or
Bye Bye Birdie fans.
What's this thing? Nothing wrong with it? No judgment. It's yeah, it's I think it's just more challenges today because there's there is more information coming in you can get lost and junk food information, you know, you can get lost in there.
What's your current like YouTube Wormhole you're into because that's all I do at night is that people people wonder why?
Why viewership is down and listen, you know, I I'm in the TV business. I should be watching TV. I don't watch TV. Well, I go to YouTube and I go down the weren't whatever Wormhole I'm interested in. I'm not
attracted to you YouTube almost entirely for escape so I watch I watch pool like professional pool matches on YouTube. I want to do a lot of that. I watch car videos. Yeah. I watched dumb shit. I watch things that don't require that much thinking but then every now and then I'll watch like a lot of space documentaries if
There's one thing that I watch a lot. It's documentaries on Space things about space space travel exploration new things. There was reading something today about NASA. They're going to change some of the wording to be more inclusive. I'm like, please say the not going to get rid of black holes because if NASA decides that black holes are racist. I'm going to give up
it and you know anything's possible
today. Everything is possible
I've been into my new thing is of all things Simon and Garfunkel.
Oh, wow. Yeah, those harmonies and stuff in and but I'm a huge yacht rock guy before you before you got rock was a thing. I didn't know that was a John ra an official genre, but like Yacht Rock, yeah. Oh so you this is a new phrase for you
too. Is it? Yeah. Well when
I don't feel I was behind there's a there's an actual Channel One SiriusXM for yatra.
No. Yes, what does that mean? So Yacht Rock is
like
Well, the the Eagles the Eagles Boz Scaggs goes Al Stewart Year of the Cat.
Okay, leave this the term Yacht Rock does not exist contemporaneously with with the music term describes, huh with the music the term describes from about 1975 1980 for it refers to adult-oriented rock or West Coast sound which became identified with Yacht Rock in 2005 when the term was coined in a
A deer Eisner atolls online video series of the same name. So one guy came up with the
name. So who the bands of Yacht Rock a let's see. What this is Cam. I got Michael McDonald. Sure 10cc about
across
I
I'm a big yacht rock man Kitty log
Toto Steely Dan. Yeah. Yes. I love my I love Steely Dan the might be my favorite band. So Yacht Rock is like, oh the another dudes. Another thing I'm into is
Donald Fagen talking music theory. Mmm is really really amazing talk about core progressions and stuff. I don't do you play? I wish I did I play by I know five chords on a
guitar. Oh, I don't know one. I don't know
anything. Now. I know like five open chords. I can't when I get to Barre chords. My little fingers were too weak and I did move on
I think music is one of those things when I'm scared to learn because if I start getting into it, I'll be obsessed and then I'll
Lose all the time that I
have then you can start a hand you'll be like, you know, you'll be like every actor with a there but I wonder who has the best actor band like I want to
see our little right
his role for sure 100% but that's a legit.
I was in a teen magazine with him. We're here. Yeah in like 1993. I think wow. Yeah the Bacon Brothers they're great
and I'm Kevin Bacon Kevin Rose Band, right? That's right.
He raped you knows legit Juliette Lewis.
Liette Lewis can sing her fucking ass a Bill Burr told me about her. He calls him. He goes dude. He goes. Let me tell you something. She's a fucking rock star. He goes illegit rock star. I'm like come on and then he sent me a video. I was like, holy
fuck. I've always been a huge fan of hers. She's a beast.
I soaked she'd pours it out man sheep. There. She is he a she put her what
she's wearing evil. Can you believe this? She's fucking some good Meg River Canyon. She's got
on her.
I have talked about doing a podcast but we never really got to do it.
I love her. I don't know her at all love her though.
She's a fucking amazing actress man her and
keep here. We'll
all yeah, dude. That was a movie couldn't make to make that movie today. No chance. Yep. No chance when she sucked on Robert De Niro Thumb in a
playhouse. She's not gonna summon a child's play
house. She was like what 15 of the timer's yes, God damn. Yeah. He couldn't do that today. There's so many films you couldn't do today.
That movie is great. How about when De Niro smoke?
Is that cigar in the there's like a ha ha,
he was terrifying such an actor. Oh my God, he's amazing. He's a beast. But what was the other thing I was the one with Woody Harrelson when they were serial killers Mmm
Yeah the with
natural blanket and thank you. Yeah goddamn. She was good in that. Whoo. So good. Yeah.
Yeah Oliver Stone, it's Oliver Stone,
isn't it? Yep. That's however Stone. What a yeah. I got to meet him did a podcast with him a couple weeks ago.
He's
I saw it. He's a mess great. He has an interesting cat. He's an interesting we did there was a minute where he was going to make the Noriega Manuel Noriega story. It was going to be Al Pacino was going to play Noriega and I was going to play Oliver North whoa, and it never happened. The script was good, but not great and we did a big table reading of it Oliver's place and Oliver's known to be really tough on actors, and I'd never worked with them. But so we take a break halfway through
And I'll go to the water fountain and Oliver's at the water fountain and I turn to and go out. What do you think? How's it going on? I don't know. What do you mean? You don't know because I don't know Rob I just was just a little surprised. What do you mean you guess I just thought you'd have a little more energy and turned away and walked away. Whoa, so we came back the next line. I had no I was doing it like this with so much motherfucking energy. It was unbelievable and I were just kind of like laugh and smile to us.
Talking to him was so fascinating because he's one of the few guys that's made films about combat who's actually experienced real Combat and you know talking about his experiences in Vietnam and then coming back home and making platoon and how difficult it was. Yeah to make platoon. What a fucking Masterpiece it was forget Salvador's
great to my God Jim Belushi. Yeah, people forgot a good Jimmy Belushi's and solve for M. James Woods is
Midnight
Express, I made some
fucking I've been moving Alan Parker who directed it died this week, you know. Oh, did he? Yeah, he's one of my favorite directors. Did Pink Floyd The Wall Bugsy Malone. Wow, and
and don't is so weird because he wrote so many great movies like Scarface, he wrote great movies and produced and directed. He did so much man so much JFK,
he's such a an iconoclast. I mean they would I don't know.
Guy like him could make it through the
corporation. Well also the Wade partied
too. Oh believe me. I was doing a movie called masquerade in New York City when they were making Wall Street and we would always be like our set we like three blocks from their set and Charlie and I of course grew up together and it would be it was just it was be Michael Douglas. Nobly those days click Jesus our case the darkness it was
Accepted yeah, what was a part of the culture right?
This is 100% a part of this way. It's what you did is he did isn't it weird now that that's so
demonized.
You're not doing it any of it. Yeah any of it and look it's obviously for the better.
It's definitely for the better for the victims. But is it for the better for the Creator's?
I don't know. I like here's my thing. I really believe that the notion.
Getting high makes you a better artist or gives you better access into your art. I think it's bullshit.
I do you might be right but you might not be right. I know I'm not there's some art that's made by people that are fucked up. That's insane like you I summon Stephen King's writings when he was when he was flunking up when he's
drinking The Shining.
Yeah shining Cujo Kerry. I think I think it was Cujo or carry. He doesn't even remember writing. He was so fucked.
It up just doing coke and drinking cases of
beer. Look The Beatles, you know on their acid phase. I mean Hendrix, you're not going to you can't you can't deny it. I think that you just don't they would have made something else it would have been different but I think it would have been maybe is good. I don't think it's a pretty I think people who treat it as a prerequisite. I think that's a
mistake. I agree. I agree with that. Well, I know brilliant people that are completely
Over so I hundred percent agree, but I don't think you can deny the impact that some drugs had on some
creativity on for sure. It's yeah, I mean, you know, what would you know, what if Crosby Stills and Nash never smoked up? What's the Grateful Dead ever smoke dope or did acid but it
asset maybe the music would be good. Sorry.
I'm with I don't I don't get I don't get it.
It's a lot of people that love the dead what about fish isn't fish
like that basically the same.
I'm
band, right? I don't know to me. I don't have that Gene.
There's anywhere person
Gene that I don't possess. Mmm the fish Gene. Yeah, there's like dirty feet Gene. We just want to like
- I don't think you don't you
don't dance around in a field with your friends while you wear a beads. Now, that's a cousin who followed the dead. She followed the Dead all over the country. She like lived with the dead and in terms of like the fans like sold, they made food and sold it to people that would go to the to the
So you'd like scramble eggs and
shit. I don't yeah, you ever go to Burning Man. No, I need
desire. Maybe maybe now that you can wear a mask and hide the people. I don't see it's a
it's an excuse to take drugs and kind of be sexually provocative.
Right? Am I missing something? There's definitely that there's a I think there's also like this freedom of this alternative civilization that they develop in this Wasteland, you know, I have friends that love it and
they love it here people by the way who are really like you
go really
really successful pot why I know a lot of the tech dorks. They love it. Yeah.
Yeah. I just feel like it's a lot of dust. I've
genius friends that love it a lot of
dust a lot of dirtiness. Yeah. I'm
good. I mean people like you have to go on Mike. I don't know if
I do where are the other things that people tell you you have to do that? You don't want to like do you want it? Like it's like you have to go to India. It's so moving. Like I don't know is it I was getting sick already. I feel like my stomach hurts now.
Yeah, I can feel a diary of Brewing before I get on the plane. I mean, I mean, I've heard people say India was amazing and I've heard people say they wanted to leave the moment. They got off the
plane. I know people who've done both. Yeah.
Yeah. I want to go to Egypt. I would really like to see the pyramids.
Me too. I'm desperate to do that whole thing. But what I want to go with someone I want to find the person who is the expert on all of it. I
had the expert he just died now John Anthony West and he and I had talked
T' a couple times about even getting together with a group of my friends and going over there and he's going to guide us. He's a he's what we would determine you would he's a guy that inspired a lot of Graham Hancock's work a nickel collaborated together on some stuff. That's why I know the name. Yeah, he's a man. Who's that? He is amazing.
That's my that's my dream trip. Yeah
100% It's a mind fuck. I'm sure I mean I went I haven't the closest I've been is Chichen Itza. I've seen the Mayan pyramids and that was a mind
fuck. Have you been to Machu Picchu? No, I haven't so I went
Two years ago and I thought it would be like that great scene and National Lampoon's Vacation when Chevy Chase is the Grand Canyon. Mmm riggo's his
Okay and leaves what I mean like I thought that was great. I'm done. I really thought that's what it would be and it was it was fucking amazing. Yeah, amazing pretty crazy. First of all, you have to walk there you you can take a train to the base of it and then walk up and by the way with people so I walked it sometimes are trying to walking from the train. Yeah, you got to take the Inca Trail. We didn't do the four-day version.
It's too much is no reason to do it. But we did like the eight hour and it it makes all the difference. Look at this place look at and we caught it with that type of weather to goddamn. It's beautiful. It's
and they don't really understand the civilization that built that
know and what you realize when you get there is there's two civilizations. There's that and then there are parts of that that are even older that look completely different completely to her like any idiot can tell that's from a different
time.
Yeah, that's one of the things that Graham Hancock talks about is that there's a bunch of these spots like there where archaeologists have sort of determined that the well this is what happened and then upon further examination other people have said but wait, I don't I don't know if this is right like and I don't know why they did this like you see these people you see
even in that photo we're looking at you see the kind of looks like a little stone brick area, which is like 80% of what we're seeing. That's what really what it looks like, but then you get in there.
And there's other areas that look nothing like it with that crazy right angle seamless stones that you see all over the rest of the world. Yeah that this was clearly built on top of I mean you can you just
obviously was yeah. Well, that's the that's the
are to go see that that wall that those that's the are just different than the wall over there. Totally different. Look at this steps. Jesus Christ.
What are those green covered
step? So what those were
the crops were that that's where they grew the crops God. It's fucking great. You think you worry about going all the way there and being like I slept all the way there for this. It's totally rewarding on the other side of that. I went to the Galapagos and that was I would recommend just go to Catalina. Really
really? Yeah. Really? Yeah.
It's fucking Catalina dude is it really has it is an island. It's the Channel Island. Will they call the Channel Islands to go?
Papa goes of North America. Do they do for good reason when you go to the Galapagos? You're like wait, I'm sorry. This is San Miguel Island off of Santa Barbara. It's a Larry they did but if you're into the blue-footed booby gotta go there you're one of those guys and if you want to like swim with those gnarly lizards that are under like gigantic Mike monitor lizards that are underwater. Like when you're snorkeling, you're not getting that at Catalina, right? You gotta go to glob gotta go up there.
ER this fuckers are underwater.
How big is the swimming them?
How big are they from? It's the this table for me to you Jesus
Christ. Oh my God. Look at the size of those
fuckers. They're great. What a weird-looking creature. It's really something. Oh my God, that part was way worth it. Whoa that guy.
Scare and then the big obviously the Galapagos tortoises. You're only going to get there. They're you know, they don't even know hold there.
Look at those fuckers. Yeah, it's a long way to go though.
Yeah, how long does it take you to get
there? It's it's a full day. It's a full day and a half travel. Wow. There's something about going
places. I mean, I'm sure that's fascinating but there's something about going places where people lived a long time ago. That's very eerie. Like if you go to like Pompeii was weird for me because you're looking around and you realize like this is this
Civilization that what was it a thousand years ago or whatever Mount Vesuvius erupted up that just instantaneously vanished.
I never got to Pompeii. I know people who just had the same experience a
trip because you know, you're looking at like this like Rome was like that as well like just being around the Vatican and seeing just the the how much would you love to have
free reign of the Vatican but take me to them to the Indiana Jones Vault, you know the end of everything stored.
What do you think they have that they don't show us the ark they have all the thing I really want is to be in is the deal is they say is the the Library of Alexandria that burned you know in which had a bird. Yeah, and he that had all of the all in all the knowledge of the world there people say that a lot of it got moved out and is it in the Vatican?
The Vatican is a weird place man. I went with the guy who was a scholar.
Or he was a professor who he was really very great. He was a great guide, you know is one of those professional guys he hire and he and I hit it off big time because we were we're out in this Courtyard area and there was this giant pine cone and and I said the pine cone and he looked at me I go is that representative of the pineal gland and his eyes lit up. He's like, yes, and then next thing you know me and him are talking about
Drugs, we're talking about, you know, the the understanding of the pineal gland the seat of the Soul like that thing is supposed to represent the pineal gland that's supposed that's not just a Pinecone. It's supposed to represent the gland in your brain that produces dimethyltryptamine. And so there's there's a lot of that weird shit and ancient Christian art like mushroom imagery and a lot of like weird stuff that you find and in fact, there's a book by this guy gianmarco Allegro
Who was a Biblical scholar and a linguist and he was also one of the only people in the Dead Sea Scrolls the translation commission translation group that was they was assigned to try to figure out this Dead Sea Scrolls and translate it back. That was he was an ordained minister, but it was also a gnostic this through his studies of religion. He's sort of decided along the way like, hey, this is all it seems like there's there's too many similarities to these things. It's not
these different cultures and he started breaking down the etymology the languages and he came out with a book called The Sacred mushroom and the cross that was bought out by the Catholic church in the book essentially said the entire religion of Christianity is a giant misunderstanding and what it really was about was about the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals and that they had all these stories that they hid in Parables and all this ancient knowledge that they
Deniz Tails, but that it all goes back to the consumption of psychedelic drugs. And in fact, one of the weirder connections to that was in Israel. I mean, this is like very recently these Scholars at the University of Jerusalem had determined that what Moses was talking about when he saw the Burning Bush was actually The Acacia Bush the acacia tree, which is rich in DMT, and that when we're talking about the burning bush and that was God appeared to him in the burning bush he was
Probably tripping and that this was why he came down with these Commandments were how to live life and how to how to govern yourself that he was in communication with God, but what it really was most likely was him having a psychedelic experience. Wow, that is all through ancient Christian religion. You know, there was a guy named Jack Herer who's like one of the one of the early proponents of marijuana. He was like a Goldwater Republican who got high with a girl friend of his got one through
a divorce got high with a girl friend of his and had this idea of like marijuana being this terrible thing. These fucking hippies are all lazy and but he needs his cool girl and start smoking pot and then became a pot activist and wrote a book called The Emperor has no clothes and it's all about the origins of marijuana criminalization what it really was all about and that it actually was about industry and that the real people that started marijuana propaganda like the like those movies like Reefer Madness and Janet those Harry anslinger and William
Hearst and William Randolph Hearst decided that he was going to do to demonize marijuana to stop the hemp industry. That was the original reason why he did it because the Popular Science magazine had a cover in like 1937 or something like that called hemp the new billion dollar crop and it was all because they had come up with a new machine called the décor Decatur and addict or Decatur was a new machine that allowed them to effectively process hemp fiber because before these slaves and then when slavery was outlawed,
Claude and then Eli Whitney came up with the cotton gin. They switched all their their their clothing from hemp-based clothing to Cotton. And so they had done this for years and then they had switched their paper from canvas, like original canvas, like even the Mona Lisa was printed on hemp. All that stuff was hemp hemp is a far more durable paper and it's a far more durable cloth and so people's clothes like they like old like really durable clothing was made out of hemp and
So William Randolph Hearst decided the best way to combat this new industry instead of turning over his gigantic forest and converting them to hemp forests and converting his paper mills to hemp paper. He decided he was going to do is kill the business and see the way he killed the business was printing these stories about black people and Mexicans raping white women because they were on this new drug called marijuana and what marijuana the word it was actually a slang for a Mexican wild tobacco didn't even
I have anything to do with cannabis. So when they made marijuana illegal Congress didn't even understand that there are making cannabis and hemp illegal. They thought it was a new drug and so he tricked them. He tricked the because here or here and hers Publications. I mean that was one of the things that Orson Welles like when he made Rosebud, yeah, he made that movie. He made it Citizen Kane about William Randolph Hearst. Yes, because he was just insanely powerful guy. That was just his fuck is Rose.
Tyrod I don't know like I don't know but but that movie was about William Randolph Hearst William Randolph Hearst is the reason why marijuana still federally illegal in 2020 and this is the 1930s like almost a hundred years later his propaganda still works
that it is amazing because I
that's
Ever been to Hearst castle that's cool. Yeah. Yeah, I was there when I was a kid, it's crazy. He's a reason why this whole fucking state is filled with wild pigs that crazy asshole had wild pigs on his Mansion had him roaming around brought wild boars over from Europe and so California like San Jose's infested with wild pigs people who live in San Jose that go out and wild pigs are fucking knocking over their trash and eating their Lon that's William Randolph Hearst. Did that
shit?
I'd no idea that's amazing.
That crazy fuck was responsible for a lot of problems that we're still facing today.
I had no idea man. I mean, I know that I know it my knowledge is I know the yellow journalism of it all and the
he's a bad guy. He's a fucking bad guy. He had too much power. I mean there was there was he hurts Publications was you know, he had this insane amount of power to just print lies and he could shift the course of public perception to fit his own needs and to fit his businesses. Wonder if that happened
today. No way media when I would be
like fake.
Like fake news or something can imagine can't do that today people do smart now could
never do that today never happened.
Yeah, it's it's amazing. When you find out the history of why things are legal and illegal and what happened and where they went wrong, you know, it's just it's weird how long some things like some propaganda can sink in and last for it's crazy.
Yeah. I mean the entertainment is the ultimate form of
it. Oh, yeah the ultimate
And also the ultimate form of combating it which is what you know, Orson Welles tried to do is Citizen Kane kind of show like in you know, obviously didn't name the guy William Randolph Hearst, but everybody knew what it was about and
movie is great. It's one of those movies that you hear is what's up Jamie. I started looking something up about the pigs and this article from the San Francisco gate says it's a different guy named George Gordon Moore who brought them in the 1920s for hunting.
I'm sure he did but William Randolph Hearst most certainly have
add them at his castle maybe maybe some of the ones around that area came from William Randolph Hearst Castle. Maybe that's where he got them from that guy. But Hearst most certainly had them at his place. In fact Hunter has Thompson used to hunt William Randolph Hearst wild pigs like the ones that are around Big Sur. Apparently, that's what people think that's another gnarly place. That's entirely plays. That's a place that also like did you see the fucking Landslide? They got yes shut down the 101 or the one quite like I
just drove the 1ch, I just drove.
One two
weeks ago up there and you cannot believe how much new construction they needed to
do. So, but now it's open now but was closed for like a year. Yeah, right. And then
when you look at the construction go I can see where this took a
year. Dude. I drove up there with my family once and I was so terrified. I was like to the left is deaf. Yeah, it's amazing. It's crazy that you can just drive it. It's
crazy. It is one of the great it's one of the great drive.
It's a cliff you're on the edge of a cliff and if you're on the right side and someone just decides to turn into you.
You done your dad. It's your like you like
1,500 feet up. Yeah,
and people died there all the time all the time. Yeah all the time you fall asleep at the wheel. You're fucked.
Yeah turning around to get that selfie.
It's a crazy way to die. Someone died like that in Malibu. Not that long ago. It's like Paris Hilton's photographer or something like that. So it was it was such a is a
photographer and a Jeep. This is guy in the
Jeep. I don't remember but it was someone who
Posted something on social media and he was dead right afterwards and their speculation was that he was looking at his phone when he went off the side.
Yeah. I remember hearing this. Yeah. I know that there's that there's a couple turns right there. Hmm in Malibu that you know,
right but yeah sketchy as fuck. You're like California like that ride up to San Francisco on the PCH is fucking magnificent though. It's so
incredible it is it's not magnificent if you're in the back seat.
It is not you will get the car
sickness of a lifetime. Yeah, there's a lot of I drove and I drove a
Winnebago once and you know, the famous bridge that's in every car commercial on the one. Yeah, I didn't realize it all the bikes that I had in the back were like too wide I guess and I just destroyed every bike we had just gotten the family for Christmas and I think it's a you don't want I was like Clark Griswold ha ha ha vacation driving. That fucking thing was not good. Yeah people have that idea right we're going
to
An RV and go across America, there's good things to that. But there's also you know, your kids have to have a high tolerance for boredom.
I remember when my family would drive me across the country. I'd have my book and mad libs.
And that was it.
That's it. That's it.
Yeah, you have anything else? I was watching a movie on my iPad was watching but Lon yeah
kids have a different they have a different kind of traveling now and people let them do it. I've let my kids do it just to shut him up just so you get some peace. They wear you
down. Yeah, we beat you every down. There's no way you mentioned hair read a book and do some ad-libs. I'm here to Pocatello, Idaho.
How long when are we going to be there? I have to pee. I'm hungry
brutal. Yeah brutal, but you gotta
For some to have some boredom like just just so they have those experiences. They like I remember when my parents took me to Yosemite when I was a kid and to this day, I still remember those experiences. I remember our cooler got broken into by a bear member here in the bear outside the tent and waking up and use those footprints on the hood of the
car so good. I remember that. That's my big worry. Is that as a culture? We don't know what to do with boredom, you know, because we're never without the world at our fingertips. Yes. Yes, I remember.
My mom I'm such vivid memories of parents would never do this today. But like take we go to the market and she would leave me in the car and she would go to the market in it felt like she was gone for five days. She's probably looking back on it. She's probably gone for 20 minutes, but it felt like forever and I'm in that car as a little boy. I can remember it vividly and all I have is my mind and my imagination to kill the time.
That's it. Yeah, and you know, I think it served me very well, but I don't know how many of us are getting that experience today.
Not too many. I mean grown adults are very rarely board these days and I think that that leads to real problem with like creativity and Imagination and also social media anxiety and all the nonsense that comes with just reading people's anger and that this the way we I'm on
Twitter, I don't I felt a presence.
It and I still use it from here to the bed. I'm I'm I had a good value and I didn't do the thing. That makes me crazy as it's like I'm relieving Twitter everyone. It's like shut the fuck up
exactly. Let's go
just goes. Yeah,
and then you check to see how people are reacting to you leaving Twitter. Yeah. Let me see what the what kind of interests that post
generated. Yeah. I just and I'm way happier
because there's so many people that are just so addicted to saying something and seeing how people react to it.
Point and trending I loved it loved checking. What's trending on Twitter's fucking
best. Yeah. It's just in this time and age to with Trump. It's just a terrible time because everyone so angry he go on Twitter and says people are so Furious. They're just you can't have an opinion about anything everybody's mad. If you do have an opinion there's a million people that disagree in a million people that do agree and they're fighting it out to the deaf.
Yeah used to be that consensus building or or
Being in the middle of the road was accepted by the warring camps, right? And now that's it's silence is consent is complicit.
Yes.
Yes. Oh that so that's that's really the problem. That's what there's no there's no middle anymore.
Right people are angry at you. If you don't post an opinion that agrees with them like you can't even have you can't even not post an opinion. They'll get mad at you. I've heard people say, you know, hey history will not
not be kind to the people that did not talk about this like really like what what
you can't tell people that they have to comment on things
that's ridiculous. You're forcing people to express opinions that they might not have even
formed. Yeah. It's a it's a it's a I mean I have these talks to my boys because they're right in the thick of it there. It's a new generation obviously and they have a totally different perspective on it
the growing up with it. They don't even know what it's like to have no
internet now, it's amazing. That's what's crazy.
Isn't it it's crazy. I remember I remember vividly when I like when it all happened. I remember like I was on the west wing and like all of a sudden we had went from pagers to blackberries. Mmm. I remember the first the first person ever showed me an iPhone was David Crosby of all people. Wow.
And I was like, what is that thing you've got there and he had one of the first
iPhones I wouldn't I was a late adopter because I was like that's bullshit. I want buttons.
I was late at the same. I wanted buttons and I thought that it was somehow.
An iPhone was less serious than a Blackberry, right? You're like business person. I'm a serious person. Yes. I'm not I'm not you know, and and then I obviously
succumbed everybody that I work with on Newsradio had the Blackberry. That was the wide one that you did it to finger one. Yes, you know, everyone's doing the email off of it. It's very important to have a Blackberry various Blackberry.
Yes, and I were called called something else.
In the east coast of really yeah, it was like a rim rims the company and that's a that's one of those great. I want to I would love to do an anthropological look at how they get the clock cleaned. They had it. Oh, yeah, they had it all had it all. Yeah, maybe they'll say that about iPhone someday. Yes. Somebody will come up but like what? How do you how does is it via VHS betamax? Yeah, it was like, who is this?
Darwinism of the corporations is so interesting to me. Well weave remember Blockbuster Video. Hell, yeah,
who would have ever thought there'd be no video stores who would have ever thought that I thought it was a novelty the idea going to have things on a hard drive like but I
know it's ridiculous. I remember something the first person telling me I have my music on my computer is what do you mean your music on the computer?
This again. I don't have any CD's they're all here. Are we but where are your CDs? I don't have any but way like it shows you why this is why we need Ayahuasca because we can't understand simple shit like
that. Hmm. Well the real question is what's next? That's the real question. Like what are we blind to that our children? Are you go remember back then when people streamed their music and stream their movies
their minds with poppy like my dad and my dad have you heard my podcast now, where do I get them?
Didn't work my dad got it early. And then he finally found his wife found the my podcast because and then this is my fairy goes and then somebody called him but I didn't know how to shut it off and now I can't find it again. I'm like Jesus
Christ. I wish my parents didn't know about my podcast be
awesome. Do you get do you get people jelly can't believe you said
that. Yeah, my wife lives in snow. That's a
problem. It's my wife. Could Carol fucking less about anything. That's great. It's
great. She does fucking perfect. My wife is like I like that one you did with him.
Like what did I say? Sure, but
I know but that's a problem with doing podcasts as you you. It's a conversation. It's not an interview. So you forget the point is to forget. Yeah, you talk a lot of shit talk a lot of
shit. Yeah, you get especially you get loose and then you're having fun and you talk like you would your basically like I don't really have a private voice in a public voice, right? I just talk this is if you and I were hanging out and there's no one around I'd have the same conversation with you
100%
That's the
problem. It's the prom but that's what you that's the point. That's why people like it. That's the
point. Yeah, that's why people like podcast
what give me one piece of advice. I need to know I'm 7 episode I made episodes in
to exactly what you did right here. You'd be going to be great. You're awesome at it.
You think just
talk? Yeah, you're a genuine person. You're honest genuine person. That's what resonates with people. It's like someone expressing their real feelings and thoughts about stuff, right? Yeah. That's that's what we're missing you.
Know what's missing in overproduced stuff that Executives and a team of people come up with that you're missing the real the thing that resonates with people like you can list. There's a lot of podcasts that I love that are produced like Radiolab or wonder. I love wonder I love the stuff they put out and it's very produced but it's different. It's different between what people the people listen to us right now that probably feel like they're in the room there.
They're having this conversation to like they're agreeing or disagreeing or they're yelling shut the fuck up while they're driving. You know, that's that's that's what the appeal is is that it's not inflict. This is small crew of people that produces this is basically a Jamie and myself and the video editors. I mean, that's it does no one else. So because of that it's not it's not fucked with and I know a lot of people that have podcasts on networks, you know, and then they have to they have meetings go you have fucking
things and they tell me the Nightmare meetings they have where people like well the tune out when you say this and they do this I get to the here's the stats. You can't talk about that because if you do, oh my God, no really like you look at that stuff. Like you can't look at that stuff. How do you know if it's not good? I fucking hate everything I do. I know if it's not good because I don't like it. So then I just do better just do you don't want to like be looking at the stats? Look it's going to fuck
you up.
That's really good. That's a good piece of advice.
Don't just do it. You're doing great. You're great at this. You're a natural.
No, thanks. I will say that. I'm having the fucking time of my
life. There you go.
Perfect. I'm having so much fun doing it. That alone will make it great. Yeah. I thought it was something that like, it was a natural offshoot from the two Memoirs I wrote and then I built a one-man show off of it, which is really a way of me doing stand up without calling it.
Up really, you know, and I toured did a lot of touring and it was fun and I loved it and I was thinking what's the next iteration of it and was the subject of the one-man show. It was called stories only tell my friends live which is this title of my first book, but it was me talking about my life. That was it. And by the way, the Oscar thing that we talked about is a bit. That's the big closer. That's the big closer every you play it for people. I play I play it for people and I go into my it just becomes a very long
a Shaggy Dog story and people love it and then I do questions and and and I realized that you know, there are a lot of actors are a lot of actors that are better than me and you try to find out what your special sauce is. Like what why what is it that that I think maybe I can do that maybe others can't and I think between the books and the one-man show and the podcast I think that there's something about sharing.
My experience in and then bringing other people into it that people have responded to India and now three different mediums. Mmm.
That's then you've got it being yourself and just being able to express your own unique perspective on life is what's interesting to people, you know, like if you can honestly expresso like when people listen to you particularly, listen you over and over and over again for long periods of time, they know if you're full of shit.
It or if you just being yourself and if you're just being yourself, they can kind of relax with you. They can get into you they can and then you tell them about things that you're interested in and tells them tell them about things that stimulated you or made you curious or affected you and inspired
you, you know, Springsteen says a great thing. He says the audience expects to things of you. They expect you to make them feel at home at the same time. You're surprising them.
Dude, let's end with that.
That's perfect.
Rob Lowe, I appreciate the fuck out. This is great. Thank you very much. They really enjoy this man. I really enjoyed it. Tell people the name of your podcast how to get
it. It's called literally with Rob Lowe and you can get it on apple or Stitcher or Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts.
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