This is simply to make people better in the make them recognize that they don't have to get stuck where they are, but they can change because every day is an opportunity of change.
It's a big one today because my guest is Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Hasta la vista baby.
This conversation, which Arnold graciously hosted in his office / Museum of
Spectacular artifacts collected over the course of is storied life covers the principles. He leveraged to stratospheric success in three distinct careers bodybuilding movie stardom in politics, all of which are eloquently distilled in his new book. The useful Arnold also, shares his thoughts on confidence ego and ambition,
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Through pain. We talked
about his commitment to the environment is relationship with James Cameron and also this very interesting fourth act that he now finds himself in which is all about service, giving back, being a voice of positivity and leveraging his
influence for the betterment of others. This one was quite the thrill. So please enjoy Arnold as perhaps you have
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When I think about your life and your journey, this young person who knew early and often that he belonged in America, had a vision for it. Visualized, it architected that Vision into goals. That you pursued and achieved relentlessly to the point, where you, you surpass, anybody's expectations of your capabilities and, and reach the absolute Pinnacle of success in three separate.
Prominent sectors of society. And this makes you on some level like this iconic generational emblem, our example of the American dream. So I'm interested in in your relationship with your own ambition and how you've been able to maintain a grounded ego, because you're very much a person of the people, you like staying connected with people, you're all about people.
But for a different version of Arnold that ego could have run rampant and imploded your life. So
it could have yeah, you're absolutely right. It could have, the only thing is that I think maybe would help Muses to, then never really felt that I have arrived, to be honest with you. Nothing bodybuilding not in. I mean, I pretend
And I do. Yeah, the big Spiel right in the, I'm the greatest. This may, this is exactly as I do all of that. Yes, but I mean in reality, I feel like when I work for instance, on the movie,
I really don't feel like I it's any different than being a plumber.
You know, I go to work, they put all the shoes boots on, and the makeup, and I'm sitting there like, an idiot at five in the morning, so that I'm ready at 8:00 and and then you go out and you do your work to your sins, then you go and have your lunch and it's like the same. It's like going to Brooke. Yeah. Then going back home. I don't see myself as the star. I just see myself as a broker.
and so, when people didn't say,
Here's some nice. You eat with the crew.
I feel like I'm the crew. I'm just one of them, right? We are all trying to make a good movie and so it's like I never really feel
Out there kind of like even when I was governor in the Middle where yes I have my moments where I feel like I would mandate that just shows how great I am and stuff like that. But the reality settles in, by the way, we are, I put myself back into place and even when I remember,
Well, I have to make myself kind of feel like I'm the mr. Olympia but when I look in the mirror, I see so many
flaws, he say that they are commensurate, you're either a
software called so many flaws and seizes your delts and never the big enough to thighs as a comma. You know, how am I going to fake my way through here? You know, so, that's the way I talk to myself. But then when I go out and says, oh, I'm going to show them the day and then the best body in the world it is ever
About our into this field. I the dismay but them in the the reality of it is I just always kind of like felt fortunate that I'm in the situation and but I don't get like a big head that because of
it. Mmm, yeah I don't know if in his private moments Muhammad Ali thought. Yeah I'm not as good as I say like I think he really believed that so it's interesting to hear you say or two
You know, be honest about vulnerabilities or insecurities. I think that's surprising.
Well, I think that even will meet Muhammad Ali. I'm sure that he had his own moments of reality because he lost
You know, and I know that when you lost, he knew why he lost and but you know, he was like as he was a showman. Yeah. And Muhammad Ali was just an extraordinary show men that had so much joy in his sport which is extremely important to find joy in all of the torture and hard training. And and also to be able to
Kind of entertain people in that way, and to have a mind to can remember, all this stuff. I mean his poetry and all the stuff that it did, you never made a mistake. It's not like he published away and always in the tripped or something like that. You know. None of that say was just great and he'd had a great vision, he always saw himself like, you know, that he was done Injustice.
And I think that motivated him to eventually get the upper hand of all of that. And I hung out with him a lot in the 70s, I traveled around the United States with him. We went to the various different TV studios did interviews. They are, you know, he was always there first going out there and doing his interview and all this, we always talked about it, hang out with the same people. A lot of time. She invited me to different events. He just was really, really good.
When I think about those Quiet Moments where, when you're questioning yourself, or you have those insecurities, you know, where does that come from. I mean, you grew up in challenging circumstances without running water without
Working toilet in your home. Father with PTSD who was abusive and drank too much these experiences. Obviously were formative and and made you who you are and I know you have a lot of gratitude for them, but what's the other side of that?
What is the, what is the the pain Point like when you look back on that what is your relationship with that past when you're not, you know, on a microphone and there's cameras.
I, you know, a lot of things we don't choose
I mean, I don't choose how I feel.
I happen to be fortunate that I don't have one ounce of negative thinking about my past.
Does one ounce.
And I don't know why, you know, it's just that there. Yeah, I just I just have, you know, I remember the tough times but also remember very clearly the sweet times the gentle times, that my father showed that my mother showed, you know how wonderful they were and how support if they were in the schools in the sports field. Maybe they're everything. Even though they were not kind of like
The American parents.
It's so different. My parents have never ever watched me on a soccer game. Never ever watched me in a basketball game or track and field shot with championships. Javelin throwing championships, anything like this, that we didn't school never ever because no one did mmm, who's no, parents hanging around and saying, oh, let's watch out kids, like we do over here.
Yeah, the documentary. There's a white where they actually do show up at that one body, but building competition and you were confusing
Used. But they showed up because my friend, Freddie gerstel, that I met very early on invited them. And he was a very respected kind of a man in town and they did it for him. I think because because, you know, because because he invited them and so they took it, seriously always must be something special.
And then when they saw me up there on the stage, I mean, it's just like they couldn't believe in, you know, even though they have the same, my mother sewed for me, my bathing suit.
Because I found some bangs, it was just too big, they wanted evidence cut down so she was sewing. We just sewing machine the day before the competition had told her I'm going to Indigo in the competition and it is a small painting students that she was sewing it and I was trying it on for you and it was doing the fitting and all that stuff. So it was very sweet of her. I mean how many mothers do that? But they mean so there is that side but they just it was not
the style then to go into watch kids. The only competition did my parents ever watched was that one competition in Graz?
And then one competition in Essen in Germany when I want mr. Olympia for the third time.
And then right after that, my father passed away. So I was fortunate that he saw that there is
this resistance or just refusal on your part two.
To, in any way. Be a victim and we're in a culture. Right now, we're victimhood, we have a different relationship with victimhood. I'm sure that drives you insane and this book is really speaking to that on some level like positivity as an antidote for
The lack of agency that a lot of people feel or the Indulgence with an identity around victimhood as powerlessness, right? And this is all about calling people to action to take responsibility for their lives and giving them Tools in a roadmap that it's straightforward advice in this book, right? But it's very direct and because it's from you, it's so palpable. So, I guess what I'm asking is,
Is you know, how do you think about the way that our culture now thinks about mental health and, and our relationship with this idea of powerlessness?
I think that in general, I think with the book is trying to do, is to say the people
You need the work.
On yourself.
If you just try to be pampered and if you trying to be soft and if you trying to be the victim and always have you not going to go anywhere.
We need to get stronger.
We need to get Bossier. We need to get tougher. We need to not be afraid of failure. We got to go into the work, we got to face adversity, adversity, Bridge character, its strength and fighting and resistance does not only make the muscle grow, but it makes also your head grow makes you stronger person. We have to be willing to go through hardship, through suffering, through pain, through crying.
Periods, all of that stuff don't shy away from any of that because it just makes you stronger. And I think the day it lot of times our youth is sewing, the kind of own. Let's make him feel good. Oh no, they let's be more sensitive. Well I totally agree with you to be sensitive about things, but I mean there is also a sweet spot.
Can we go too far?
You know, it's like when someone says what the day, I just need to sleep in and said, right? Bullshit? Yeah, you don't need to sleep in this country was not built on sleeping in. So let's get up in the morning and let's get on that bike and let's do some exercise and don't even think about it. Don't look at your email or anything like this, that just get going. Boom, boom, boom. Let's get going. That's the building. And so that's the idea is just not to be overly soft and overly kind of light-sensitive and everyone is
The victim kind of a thing. I just don't buy into that, but you have to understand that every person has to be approached. Also differently. It's like the mind is just like the body. I cannot give you exactly the same training routine that I had because your body is different. You a much leaner person. You need kind of to do maybe Melissa reps and what this you have to have a different diet if you want to bulk up and all this. So I have to be aware of that that even
within my family, one of my daughters had to be approached differently than my other daughter. One son had to be approached differently than the other son. So you have to be sensitive about those kind of things, but overall it was discipline in the house. You don't turn out that light. I will unscrew this light bulbs and you will be going into the dark room with the age of three, and he was scared. So he better start learning the turn of the those lights. You have someone else make you bad, okay? I'm going to take the mattress.
Throw it down the balcony and then you carry it upstairs and you make your own bed again. So this is the way to keep my kids grew up, you know. And it was like there was crying there or when it burned their shoes, when she left my daughter left her shoes for the three times in front of the fireplace. I see the third time it goes in fire. The third time, we did go in the fire and found when she was crying the whole night. Yeah, that does things happen. But now she does the same to her daughter and now she says there was great that
You did that?
I'm saying, so now my kids were crying on the ski slopes
How did it go in? I want to go outside. That will be no, hot chocolate. You know, the usual Kindergarten Cop, kind of a thing, you know, we got, there will be no, hot chocolate. This is, we kind of ski four rounds and then there's a hot chocolate.
There's another after the first run. Yeah, but I'm called this is so am I? So what
So what? So now let's go be coordinating. Those skiing, is it? The more we ski the pumps in the movies? Give the powder, the one more, we get, the more we warm up as his. Let's get going and still. Now today, when they come up to Sun Valley with your friends,
Dig it up.
After the dinner with the wine jars and seven of the toast, Daddy.
Because he made us good skills. And that's why we're here today. That's why we enjoy skiing with all of you. He's very kind of figured out, you know, how to do that in orders, but, you know, it's, it's not easy. I'm not a psychologist, I'm not an expert with this. But one thing I know, for sure, I can help anyone to go and be a little bit better, right? I think that's what we want to ask. We cannot ask everyone.
To be a genius, there's God's go and be the world's strongest man in order to have, but to be better because when you're better, when you get better, then you feel good when we improve, we feel good. When we have accomplished something, we feel good and that then rubs off on everything
that was beautifully. Put, and it's sort of an example of this. This new role that you've matured into as this social-media influencer. And when I think about the other three chapters of your life,
Life, they're very much a product of having this Vision adhering to it. Blinding out everything as you as you work your way towards actualizing that Vision but this feels a little bit different, it doesn't feel as much a
product of a goal that you
set for yourself as much as this.
Thing that occurred or is a byproduct of who you are and all of the things that you've done over the course of your life. You find yourself with this enormous platform platform and you think yourself how can I utilize this? Leverage this for good to be useful, to be of service as Governor, you're doing that as an elected representative of the citizens of California, but this presents
It's a new opportunity to connect with people directly. So I'm curious around your relationship to social media and this new kind of role that you've shouldered around, being a voice of actionable positive things that people can do to improve their lives. I have
really no goal.
In the in, how does that feel cold
Nina? How does that feel though? What like you're doing it for the, for the act of doing it?
It's just other people as opposed to being the old rivet. It's just sometimes, there's something in US.
That is so powerful that you have to communicate it.
You know, I remember when 928 January 6th happened,
it just stayed on me stayed with me, the thought, and the thought, the thought
And it didn't go away.
That I started writing things down what was going through my mind, and it was writing and writing and then sitting in the jacuzzi and some other idea came into my mind and I wrote it down and I got out and then it was so sitting there and she was just, it was just, you know, they're they're finally in a told my guys as it looks. I think that we I feel like I should speak up about that.
I said, maybe it's my responsibility. Maybe not. I see, but I feel like it is
Is it because I'm a Republican?
And I think it is important for people to know that my president is Biden.
The window shenanigans.
With the election.
There was no corruption with the election. There was no one stealing and walking out with suitcases of votes and his election. None of this is true.
These are lies.
and,
And so the more I thought about it, the more I felt like I should say something. And so we put together a speech, it was not thinking more about like being an influencer or any of those kind of things. And I was just saying, I want to talk to the American people, that it became what it became. I had no idea that it was covered life for the whole speech and CNN I'd know, did they going to do that? That it was covered all over the world like that? The demon, the
Old kid about the January 6th, I did not know, you know. So they did those things. We don't know that always had, you know, five and a half six billion people.
Have become aware of this speech.
I see him as oh my God this is like wild. So then I realized also at the same time that there was a need for that, obviously to say that and so do you know? So then those things come up every so often when I see, you know a certain the Prejudice growing and people walking around with Nazi flags and stuff like that and I think maybe I should say, you know,
Say something about that because so it also has to be tied together, organically with me, mmm. And so with that, this is the myself, okay? I think my dad went through that with the Nazi period. I can. I can speak with authority here of. Where did they take him? What misery did he go through? Because of that, how there are no winners ever amongst the haters? And there's always just losers and
also
Is the pernicious nature of bad information and exactly what that can reap. Yeah,
so anyway so it's then I was motivated about that and then in the Ukrainian War, the Russians unprovoked attacks Ukraine. I felt like
You know, I should speak up because I love Russia.
And I've been there many times and I really care for the Russian people Gorbachev was quote, has happened here brown, right? I made Gorbachev wonderful man and he has realized that they have gone in the wrong direction, then wanted to straighten it out, couldn't do it, but Nettie case. So I felt kind of like, you know the weight lifters. Did I met from Russia? And the people that I met when we opened up Planet Hollywood in Moscow with wonderful people in
Thus, we had the all of this comes, as of, you know, this is not the Russia. I mean, this is Putin. And so let's just talk about that, you know, and say that this is what I was trying to accomplish.
There is a bust of Lenin over here in the corner of your office. Can you tell the story of how that ended up here?
Yes,
In the early 90s, when communism fell.
I saw a piece in the New York Times.
Where they ripped down?
A statue of Lenin.
And and there was going on all over the country in government, buildings, where the rib down Stalin and Lenin and distant that in various different leaders. And kind of saying, okay, this past didn't work fast. Look what happened and we won't do you know, kind of reorganize here. And so it was this piece in the New York Times how they tear down the statue. So I said to myself, I would like to have one of those. This is history.
Of them. This is Revolution kind of and then tearing down statues.
and Cooperative saying, you know, this is the time that for Change and so I got in touch with my
Weightlifting friends in Russia. Uh-huh. In Moscow and he said, guys, you tearing down hottest sculptures. He says yeah, yeah. Give me much to you. This is a different and we have to go to different drugs. Yeah. I said, put them in there. What are you going to do with the sculptures?
Well, we going to go them and throw them in a dump somewhere, you know, and just to mow melt them. I said, whoa, she don't melt them as I said to, you know, save one for me, you won't one. Yeah, so I said, I think this would be something a little history to avoid sculpture. Did you guys tore down for me to keep that? It's unbelievable. I think it'll be fantastic, I would like to have it. Okay, let me look into it.
so,
a half years later, is the Arnold Classic bodybuilding championships in Columbus, Ohio, the Russians come every year with the weightlifting team and the bodybuilders, and so on. And the next thing I know is that we are having now to set up the the after party at the after competition party, big celebration with thousands of people in a hole and they roll out this
Table that was in Wheels with a covet sculpture.
I didn't even know what was in it. If you didn't know was a sculpture covered, could have been a cake from from somewhere. He's forgotten about the sculpture thing, didn't connect the dots at all that point. So the next thing you know, is they pulled it at the guy goes up. That gives a speech and pushes off.
And there's lightning and I was like, so shocked.
It's pretty unbelievable, where, what was the statue? Where was it? It
was in Saint Petersburg at the Department of Agriculture. I think it was told. Mmm. Wow. And so anyway, so we then shipped it, home to Los Angeles and there was out a map by my swimming pool. Was now the sculpture of Lenin
Viruses while we having fun lemon. Yes, I love it. I think it's funny the flame in here and so I headed there for a while and then the following year,
The same guy in our rows out. The same table again and now he pulls off this cover and it was styling. So now at little smaller was not exactly the same size but it's smaller. But now I have Stalin not in here. That knows The Story Goes guy the following year after that it was Khrushchev and then it was on drop off, then it was and then was kosygin. And he went on and on and on like that.
On the Putin. I have a sculpture of Putin.
It's part of my Russian collection, where do you get all these? Every single leader that was leading the Soviet Union. Uh-huh, I have in my collection. So I had them all over the swimming pool and every one of my kind of like natural things that defense was, there was a column. So I put them on top of the car. So then eventually my wife and not. What is this people, especially solid. It was a little bit over there.
Hidden storage and but in any case, so then I decided okay I'm going to bring this one in here because it's really great to have to have him in the office and to remember them then I then I found this great painting that is in the background of Lenin yeah there was nothing in the end or something like that. So anyway so the I thought it was to take
the story but in addition so you you talked about using your
Social media platform to talk about January 6 and and Ukraine etcetera. But you also use it to speak to Ordinary People and to empower them and talk about the things that you talked about in this book. And what's interesting about this, this role that you have as sort of a motivation all, you know, self-help Guru for lack of a hate that word but on some level like a source of inspiration for people is that on on paper, you're very unrelatable.
Like, you've achieved things that are very difficult for the average person to understand or connect with emotionally, and yet what you're sharing in the way that you're sharing. It is so authentic. It really resonates and has connected with people all over the world. Like it's really powerful what you're doing. So I guess that gets to what we were talking about earlier about the fact that you really are some, you know, you ride your bike.
Like, around this neighborhood, you go to Gold's, you're happy to talk to everyone, you could easily Retreat to your home and live a quiet private life or insulate yourself, you know, with, you know, the fancy people, that, you know, and the resources that you have etcetera, but you've made a very different choice.
How to use your energy, your experience, your wisdom, in a way, where you're sharing it freely with people, people are responding to it, and there's something really beautiful about
that, you know, there's a lot of things that we can take responsibility for them. There's a lot of things we can do.
I mean, I don't make the choice, it just it makes me happy.
To be with people.
I'm a people person side on say, you know, I should go to public gym. I think it's cooler than staying at home and are doing covert. I stayed at home in the trained in my gym at home, but it was in pain. I was in agony.
I need people. I need be out with the people. I like to train with the people. I'm a company Queen. Yeah, you know, that's what they call myself because I just love being with company. I don't like to go to football games by myself. I don't like to go for dinner by myself. I don't like to work by myself. I don't like to go to the gym and work out by myself. I just love people doing it with people and having a good time so that it's just me. So what you see is me.
Still the organic nothing is programmed or anything like that. I just I just I'm really happy that I can live the life
that I really want to live.
You know, that the go to the gym and I want to go to the gym or at my back. When I want to ride it, I ride it to the beach. It's true. All of the thousands and thousands of people on the boardwalk in Venice with all the tourists there and it's ride my bike through it down them, to the Venice Beach, where the weight lifting platform is and all that stuff. So, I just go, I got a regular rest around to eat with all the people to the restaurant. They always eat every morning and
You know that I just I just love that. Yeah, hey hate.
When someone makes a reservation for me and they go, let's say to the Palm rest around, they walk in and they say we have a table in the corner. Yeah. We would table for you received in the corner. I say I don't want to be in a corner, as I was sent in the corner when I was in school in a new, go in the corner and you kneel in the corner. As if a punishment that said, I don't we punished, I feel like I'm being punished. You're going to Corner as you want to sit right there in the middle of it. Is people say it.
Only that table right over there if you want to sit right there is. Yes, a when is a lot of people walking in the end? It's okay. I can handle it in someone comes up with a table and talk to them, so it's the I just making
happier. Yeah.
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And over time of this person who went from a very kind of through through sheer force of will, and discipline and hard work, and all these things that you all these principles that you you elucidating, the book of being very self oriented and sort of self, you know it's a selfish Pursuit you know to pursue goals at that level right on some level it's sort of self reflective. Your mirror was your thing to then kind of grow into
This person who's really all about service like breaking the Mirror Mirror going from like me to. We it's all one to me. It's all one Big Arc and the book is called be useful but really it's a call to service. You're basically saying
The best way to improve your life to feel good about who you are and to find purpose, meaning and fulfillment is to find ways to give back.
So,
it's not a question, it's more. Just a reflection that I don't know. How does that land for you?
Yeah, no, we absolutely, right. But one should not forget that when you start out
You don't have much to give back.
So, you first have to build yourself, and it became clear to me that, the more I built myself and the big, I become, the more I can give back. So when I became mr. Olympia, 76 times.
And in Special Olympics, called me and said, could you come and train our special Olympians and no kids that intellectually challenged, they don't have the best coordination. They have problems doing sports. A lot of times and be like to do a study on what effect weight training would have.
Well, I was called
To do that because it was mr. Olympia, that was somebody. I was the number one Authority in bodybuilding. That's why I was calling. And so if I wouldn't have had that, I wouldn't have been able to inspire those young kids. There was ten kids there and we did this study for three days and I trained them and all kinds of great things happened. They got motivated and that's what launched. Then with the international special Olympic Committee, the idea
When I did eventually met my mother in law, Eunice Kennedy Shriver, who created Special Olympics. I told her about that experience that happened before I met her. And I told us that trying this 10 kids, and they were really into this powerlifting and they loved it, especially when they gave them the confidence that they can do it first. There was some of them they were scared and they were screaming and they were kind of like worried about the weight over the head nor the stuff I said but
Eventually, we stripped away that fear and we could see the Breakthrough in orders. I think it could be very popular, just why don't you do it in Baltimore? That's, we have a meat coming up. Let's try the Baltimore. So we did it and it was a huge success. We did it in Washington, huge success. We did it in Miami, huge success, then that they adopted it in the next meeting in the nationally, then it became an international phenomenon. So I always said and became now not something that I was bargaining for, or shooting for there was not.
Never my goal, became the national
coach, the world
coach for special. No, big strength training. What that for me to go around now the country and the world to promote Special Olympics, not just powerlifting. But of course, you know, being a celebrity eventually every day instead of doing movies, notice, I started traveling around to just start talking about equal opportunities. I started talking about issues about, we got to get this special Olympians, also the right.
To have a job, the right. They have Healthcare the right to have a place to stay in the live and there's equal rights. Basic equal rights. They don't have people are prejudiced. So I start talking about those issues that they my wildest dreams. Did I ever think of it? That's what I would do in my life but I was able to do that because I was a star in movies then and and in bodybuilding and so so I think the more I
gained
of, you know, building myself the more I was able to give back
In a bigger way. Right at the time I was I came pain for President Bush in 1988, you know, and that talk to him and are forced to about training and about the president's Council on Fitness and about we got to get our kids again back in the schools, back to training exercising, everyday knows. He appointed me to be the chairman of the president's Council on Fitness. So now I'm going around to all 50 states promoting Health and Fitness in our Public Schools. So this is like one thing
The next happen. And that's why I mentioned in my book that everything that I've done up until that point. And I heard Sergeant Shriver my father-in-law, talk at Yale University and a commencement speech. He said to the students break that, mural that you always look at.
Break the mirror. That makes you always look at yourself and he will be able to look beyond that mirror and to see the millions of people that need your help. You heard me right? That need you help. Have you ever thought about going out and helping? And I said to myself, that's exactly what's happening to me. So this was a long answer, but you were right when you said it was an evolution. So it starts out with me. Me me and then slowly becomes not just me, me me, but we we, we
Right?
And so this is what happened to me and then,
As with everything have an addictive personality.
I started getting addicted to it to give something back and it made me feel good and have some felt so rich and so good about myself that I was able to have this impact in to help kids to get them. You know, in schools to do to exercise, special Olympians to train and to do power lifting, the lift 500 pounds, which they never dreamt of lifting and and and to to go around and start after school programs, then eventually run for governor.
Yeah, the seeds were there.
Long though because it was your dad who said be useful way back in the beginning
it was my dad that said be useful and it was a guy that that grew up with that later on in when I was 15 years old, we met that helped us with bodybuilding and with weight lifting Freddy gerstel that are talked about it, what became then a very famous politician in Austria and he happened to love kids.
And to him, this was the greatest investment. So he even in his political career he specialized in building, you know, sports facilities for kids and everything for kids, kids kids, and he paid a lot of attention to us here. The Sun. Also, and he invited me over to his house for training. And he always talked about, you know, giving back, he talked about getting smart, just remember Arnold, don't just train your body but drain hose of your mind.
With Plato said, in a sound mind sound body and always talked about that. I wanted to run around with books underneath your arms and that just dumbbells and barbells and all of your stuff. And so all of this influence that I had, as a young kid was helpful, but specially, my father, always saying be useful.
But that gentleman, I mean, he was an incredible mentor to you, and he was the guy who impressed upon you, the importance of developing your
Mindset of cultivating, curiosity of asking questions and listening which bring you know, that brings me back to this whole podcasting thing, right? Like, for me, I've been doing this 11 years, it is an expression of everything you talked about in the latter, part of the book about making the world your classroom about seeking out. And spending time with people who inspire you that you can learn from and learning the practice of not just engaging with
I'm but listening learning. So this has been an incredible experience for me to continue that Curiosity and that education into my life and it's really
How you approach everything that you do, like the fact that you actively sought out so many interesting compelling people that you could learn from and, and treated the world as your classroom and you continue to do that. And we're in your office, you look around, there's pictures of you with, like all these people. We were hearing stories, you know, you know, what you've learned from this person and you're the sort of Forrest Gump character that always finds himself, you know, at the right place at the right time with the most fascinating individual and
Great story to boot from that. So maybe talk a little bit about how you how you you know really made that a priority and a fundamental part of who you
are. I think that one of the things did you learn in sports is that if you just get stuck in your own training routine and not learn from other people that you would never become a champion. And so open-mindedness was very important to me.
And so I think, like I said in my book, I learned a lot of my lessons from Sports and to meet that kind of like and having people like a fraidy gerstel that Mentor that talked about open-mindedness and learning from others and where you start, as you get older you start thinking about all of those things because it become wiser first. It doesn't mean anything when he told me that
This is what the Nazis did honored, that took my brothers head, and they smashed it in with a stone, they stoned him to death. That was lucky to his, be able to escape and blah blah blah norsu so you hear that, they didn't mean anything. You know, as I said, it's very sad. But then it's those, those kind of stories as you grow up. Yeah. And as you get older, they mean, something they need to you.
All of a sudden, you find yourself fighting for inclusion and against Prejudice, and you ask yourself, where does that come from the desire of his? And it comes from stories like that, you know, that you remember, from way back when people tell you, those kind of things. So to me was always kind of like learning new things and being able to, the more you become a celebrity to be able to use that celebrity power for
Nothing positive for something good. And so to me was I learned the more opened up, my mind, the better. It was there was a guy by the name of Vince jaronda
You may have heard of him since you're a fitness, fanatic yourself that it's, he had a gym over in the valley, Vince's Jim. And I saw him doing an exercise, a triceps, exercise. And I looked at him as a, what are you doing? Here is just that this is for the outside tricep that splits. The one had from the other endures and sit at this. Looks like a thumb, kind of a Mickey Mouse exercise, Jesus Christ. And it doesn't look like a some heavy lift of some sort and
He says, which is tried since the demise of well, the way you tried, the way I tried in those days was I would do an exercise, 40 sets of 20 reps. So I was lying there on the bench on my back, digging this. Dumbbell going like this 20 times, and take it over to the side. Do the same thing over here, same to disarm, back and forth, back and forth. Like this. The next day, this muscle here was just jumping
being all over the place so I realized he was absolutely correct. I never ever thought of that, there's actually a specific muscle. We always know about sculpting your body that you do. You add my chest or what Sarah's muscles have said, Mo bleek's or some biceps is somewhat as. But did you can actually dissect it to a specific part of the truth? Three muscles? That's why it's called triceps. The three muscles there and one separates the bicep from the tricep and makes it appear not that measurement. Why?
Is bigger but makes it appear much larger. So I was doing that and that they exist from that point on and it just it was, as I said to myself, I wouldn't have listened to him. I would have never learned that exercise but that listen to him as first Cinema step brushed it off with it and Mickey Mouse exhibit and he said we do not. Let's just try before we kind of like come to conclusion and sure enough the so you learn from those kind of experiences he did end up like
This rule with everything. And so that's why I was always rather more hungry for more information, more hungry for listening rather than talking
setting aside bias and judgment and replacing it with curiosity and basically trying it yourself, right? Like, being an experimenter being
open. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so imagine I talked at Great length those in the book about how the
Apathy Sacramento.
even though it was a place that I thought,
the people that work there had no quality because they ran this state into the ground by 2003 and we were bankrupt and still huge deficits 30 40 billion dollar deficit and all that stuff and everything he had blackouts and everyone was unhappy but when I got there,
I realized that there's a lot of things that they can learn because there's so many issues policy should at. I'm not aware of and so it actually became kind of the greatest University for me everyday. I was learning. Imagine you're sitting there and always had that the nurses come in, the nurses Union. And they talk about the patient, nurses ratio.
I've never even heard of that as it were. They talking about. So they were explained that his rightness 621. But you know, one nurse cannot take care of six patients, especially if you have to lift the patient because they just had surgery. And if to lift them and help them up to get to the bathroom and Rosa one nurse along, cannot do that, except if you have a powerlifting Champion is under, so something like that, but that's not the case in every hospital. So they were explaining that ended
I was in The Sims it. Oh my God, this is like, I never thought about that. This is really interesting and fascinating things that we have the budget. We should actually do something about that the next meeting an hour later. The prison guards come in, and it talked about the overtime that they're tired because you don't have enough, you know, people working in this prisons and that the system is meant for 100,000 prisons. But at the point we had
Seventy thousand prisoners.
So, we are overcrowded overloaded. I had no idea about that.
So I learned and then after the meeting, I got my briefings of what could The, Who water, the options that we can do about it, and then the teachers came and then then law enforcement came into it all day long. Every day was a learning experience at the me, the things that I learned in Sacramento was just staggering, and so, I just feel like Not only was I happy that I was able to serve
Forty million people in being a public servant, be the governor, but also I became aware of how complicated issues are and how complicated they can be and how much thinking it takes and how much listening that it takes to bring all of the different ideas together to come up with a good conclusion to those kind of issues and
problems. Yeah, I mean I think that was surprising for a lot of people. There was a sensibility that you're great in front of the camera, you know, how to
You know, get out in front and shake hands and smile and do. All of that kind of upfront stuff to win the governorship, but governing is a different job altogether. What happens when Arnold sitting in the chair behind the desk and actually has to do the work and get wonky with the policy stuff. How does that, you know, how's that going to work with this action star? Who's an adrenaline junkie etcetera, and the fact that you actually embrace that and were enthusiastic,
About what you were learning every single day about how things actually work. And then trying to identify Solutions, was unexpected for a lot of people and I think kind of reflecting on that thinking about like, what is it? That makes Arnold different special. There's lots of answers to that questions to that question. But I think 11 kind of frame that makes sense to me, is this interesting combination of two different Arnold's on the one hand,
You are, and you say this in the book, like very much like Julius and twins, you have this wide-eyed almost childlike sense of awe and wonder where the world is just overflowing with possibility and people are good and anything is possible. But you pair that, I think the talent is where you pair that with this doer who understands having a vision understands setting goals. Work ethic discipline.
The Reps like all the Practical aspects of translating the dream into reality and most people fall it's on a spectrum, but most people kind of fall, you know, far on one side of either of those two things and somehow you find it, you found a way to like Mary those and I think that's what is so potent and and unique. Well, interestingly
enough
Even my wife.
And she knew me what, really well, she said after I won, she's is now. I'm starting to get concerned. Yeah. They
come home and say, I can't believe what I
learned. Yeah. But I mean it's like as it would be concerned about me one. She says bad since he says that, that seems to me is more up your alley, you found an enemy, you go after him with vengeance, like you doing bodybuilding, and then acting and all this kind of stuff. I said,
Go after them and just like the competition. So I get that. So you were really good at that. And you could shift gears and into politics and you could paint this perfect picture of California when you run it and all that stuff. So I said, but now
You have to do policy.
Politics is now being Buddha side needs to do policy. So I don't know how many hours you can actually sit there and listen to this. Most boring stuff that is really subtle stuff that you maybe it's not your personality. And so she was questioning it and so as time went on, she said to me she said can't believe that you actually like this stuff because I don't even like it. She said to me, I don't even like it justice. But there you sit.
The for hours and hours and any follow-up questions. Then he meet people at night after hours, still to learn more about it. She's just, I don't understand it. I said, I somehow, you know, I just love the idea of solving those problems and trying to figure out why is it.
They didn't Austria.
Everyone is insured.
And then California, the richest state in the Union. Not everyone is insured. But what's going on here mean? Who can we not create a system that is similar to the one in Austria but with the private sector involved and not government running the whole thing. There must be a way. So we started going on instead of tackling this very complicated issue. I don't know where no one asked me to do that. Just trying to figure out how do we create.
Health Care in California for everyone. Be the first state kind of like along with Massachusetts that has Health Care reform and everyone is insured. And so it's just my curiosity was just the and I ask myself questions about their education, why is it that our education is slipping? My other kids not testing as well? Why is that reading ability less than it was 10 years ago, an order. So you get it you get interested in it because only when you understand it,
And only when you hear the various different opinions coming from the way, right to the way left, you need to hear all this. That's why I never looked at anyone as the enemy. When I was governor, I'd looked at the Democrats Justice like Partners as it did, with the Republicans, that they agree with. Sometimes they disagree with other times and stuff like that, but they always felt kind of you have to all work together because together we can figure out the sweet spot in the he says this is his sister. Let's figure out the sweet spot where
Can, you know, have something of both of those sides? Come together here? And so that's the way I tried to solve the problems and I got fascinated boaters
details. Your governorship was really defined by your ability to reach across the aisle and consensus build with both parties. This, this, you know, sort of allergy to being a party hack. And instead, you know, hiring a chief of staff, who was a Democrat and appointing A diversity of judges and doing all the things
Is that you did leads me to wonder. I mean it's really it's really a question around leadership and problem solving because right now in 2023 feels pretty divided. People are more interested in in bickering with each other than solving problems Reaching Across. The aisle is seen as a weakness. And as a result problems, don't
It solves. So,
When you look out upon the world, California, the nation. What are you seeing right now? In terms of the leadership that we have, the leadership that we deserve that perhaps we're lacking. First of all, let me tell
you.
That.
I did not experience any of that whenever I went to Washington. I mean, they all talk about it.
but,
Every president after Clinton Clinton put 1.3 billion dollars in the 21st century money, which is for after school programs, and after that, every president wanted to take it out of the budget. So since I was like,
The.
Kind of a big deal in the after-school program movement.
They asked me that the national after school program Association asked me to go and help them Lobby in Washington. So, we went back there to Lobby the Bush Administration and everyone is talking about is going to going to going to going to bring them together. They fight over that, you know, the Republicans want to take it out and the Democrats want to keep you then and blah, blah, blah, Nora stuff. And I asked them, I said, I found friends and Californians and I said, can you help me bring three Senators together from the Democrats?
Three for the Republicans.
And to talk about after school programs, I want to just talk to them, have a meeting and they did.
And the same was in the house, the good from, you know, Congress people, men and women. They got together a whole bunch of them, Democrats and Republicans. And I met with them.
I presented my case told him how important it is to keep this after-school programs wide was wise. Show them the statistics in the studies that they said for every dollar we spend on an after-school program be saved, three to six dollars down the line and blah blah blah.
they all shook hands that when the bill comes up,
And when the debate comes up that they will fight and they would tell their colleagues to also fight to keep it in the budget.
I walked away and I said the first place that is supposed to be. So split and really fighting all the time. I didn't see that fight.
Not in the standard, not in a house.
We then went back in the Obama Administration he wanted to take out the money.
And back again cuz he gained the team together, totally different people. Now again, Democrats and Republicans work together and we kept it in
So every single time a president took it out of came into every time I went back there, I did not see that the Democrats and the Republicans didn't want to work together.
I begged them.
To work together for the sake of the kids. I said I'm a republican I said but this is nothing to do with Republican or Democrat is democratic kids and Republican kids. I said yesterday, Republicans say that this is like the government is the baby sitting indoors. If I understand that I totally agree with you arrested but when it comes to being out on the streets,
And being in reality, it doesn't work that way. Because 80% of the kids come from homes, where both parents are working. So, therefore, there couldn't be any money at home, as I said. Let's see. And they both died. I stayed a the first time. They really hear about someone talking passionately about it, and they voted for it, and it kept it in the budget and even still today, it's in a budget, mmm.
So all is well in Washington, so
no, I'm just
It needs an approach where you don't. Villainize, I didn't go in there to villainize the Democrats as a republican. I said, we Republicans here they're sitting. We have the answer to that but you guys are always voting no on this shit. So no was not that approach. So it's the approach that you have to take and I'm talking about and you asked about leadership, it needs the kind of leadership that has the energy to not worry so much about the specific policy. But to
Just bring the team together. This is what someone has to do in Washington.
Do those members. Rallied them together? Yes. There will be different ways of thinking in order stuff, but you got to Rally it and against it, he is why. And make the case of where America needs to go. And what we need to accomplish from immigration reform to Health Care reform to getting rid of the Dead, getting rid of the of the that deficit that we have and do solve, and to build infrastructure in orders to talk about this, the ended and
Have a strong military that can stand up to the Chinese and the Russians, and with the whole world and that, that that the only can do with Democrats and Republicans together, we cannot do it alone. Republicans cannot do it alone. Then you have a total fuck-up where Jesus is some executive order, like they've done and then Biden runs off with his executive orders which next president wipes out. Again, it's bogus. The only thing that sticks is if Democrats and Republicans come together and they meet in the middle.
And they answer to the people rather than the special interests. And so you need someone that rally is them up. And that's what I'm talking about. That's what it needs because I was back there with my friend Kevin McCarthy.
He asked me to talk to his environmentalists.
Now, of course you will laugh because the Republicans is a where the environmentalist? Well, there are, they maybe don't buy into this climate change.
So you don't talk about, find a change to this guys. You talk to them about pollution because no one can deny pollution.
Every Republican, they've talked to said, you love, pollution is if no, you kidding me. I said you want to fight the illusion. Of course, when they get rid of pollution as it were, then we have to get rid of oil and off this stuff and just build more nuclear plants and more renewable energy is. Yeah I'm important that with that. So it's the way you approach it.
You have to find a way and you have to communicate effectively, you have to understand that needs and desires of the people that you're trying to build consensus with and the after-school program contact.
It meant approaching Republicans with an economic argument that this is going to save money and the Democrats with the idea that it's important. You know, from a democratic sensibility to have government involved in supporting these use in the environmental context, what you're saying is, you can't go with some muddled Trope, that is not going to connect with those people. You have to find something that they're that they care about address that.
At and craft your narrative and your argument around that strategically so that you can build that consensus. And that team Tums comes together to actually solve a
problem. That's what you're saying. And the, there's people that supposed to be the smart people, they don't get it to keep a scam to sell, sell sell. It's a telling this story, that's, that's what it is. It's communicating because we in California, we accomplished all of those Environmental.
Al's
because we communicated with the people the right way.
When we said to the people, when it's a hot date, don't put the thermostat and 68, put it on 74 and that they were helpful.
During my Administration has no blackout. The black guys were in the previous administration of the black guards. So we communicated with the people. They were on our side and be said, to him, I said, and we have to build renewable. We have now 19 percent renewable but a time I'm finished, I would have 50%. Renewable was no one saying, no, anything that is because they State they realized, that would be anywhere. We need to go. And when the oil companies in the coal companies tried to derail us, we fought them with the help of the American Lung Association,
To show that the people of California. What happens if we keep using oil?
Did the kids in the Central Valley and all over California getting asthma at the age of three. And they're very, very sick. And they're dying. Is that what we want to do with our kids? And they said, oh my God, I didn't know that instead of talking about climate change 20 years from now, something like that, it's you and I believe in it but the majority of people don't understand what it means. And so therefore, let's talk about pollution like Ronald Reagan, Ronald Reagan.
Established the air resources board in California that actually makes every law that we passed become a reality. So if I say, there is a law that is 50% reduction of off of fossil fuels, they make it happen. So we said 25% in 10 years, they made it happen. So this would Ronald Reagan established under the auspices of, we got to fight pollution, he didn't talk about climate change.
You know, since this is why I say it is just a date, we have to sell be of the communicate, we have to include people with to bring them in. We have to explain it to them and off that's it and not everyone talking in a different direction and and, you know, Biden starts. His speech is the day. I want to talk to you about climate. I said, but what wouldn't it? Be much better today, I want to talk to you about how we can get rid of pollution.
Hit the nail on the head, you know that this is talk about some I think that's what made me talk about leadership. That's what we need in Washington now is just to bring people together. Communicate the right way, not step on someone's toe and make them scream. No, just that's let's figure out things that we can do together when I went to Sacramento. The first thing we did was we tried to figure out what we can do together and then we worried about the most difficult stuff that they'd be RBI in different directions and stuff like that.
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I want to talk a little bit about your passion for for the environment. I imagine that Jim Cameron has been part of that Journey for you and one of the things that you it's is interesting about an aspect of this this journey that you're on with this is that you have come out and advocated for people to eat less meat to have a more plant-based oriented life.
Style. You were involved with the game changers movie, so I'm curious around. I'm sure the the bodybuilding Community had an interesting reaction to that. I've been plant-based for 16 years at this point and friends with a lot of the people in that movie and very much a part of that movement. So I'm curious around how you got involved in in that film and what your diet looks like now.
Well,
Involved because of Jim Cameron. Yeah. And the other people that were involved and they asked me if I wanted to talk about it because they knew that I have mentioned it to Jim Cameron in the past that I've cut back on my meat intake because of in the medical profession, it's very clear that you get away with this shit for so long. And then eventually it starts backfiring and
The thought that I'm at an age now, where should just cut back? Because my cholesterol level should come down a little bit and blood pressure and all that. And that's exactly what they did, you know? So I started cutting out. Some, my dad is pretty much, I would have put the percentage on it, then pretty good at that. I would say, around 70%, I cut down my meeting intake and the other 30% is only because of my every
so often I once a month, maybe a make a steak at home. When we watch the UFC fights, it somehow fits together. We know the meat up to the screen. Yeah, even even though there is a lot of UFC fighters out that also vegetable-based but in any case, so it's a man fits together. The like to do it is just the process also to actually barbecue. So this is why I say 30%, not and seventy percent cut down. Yeah.
Yeah, but Jim had a big impact on
you, Jimmy the beginning anyways, but Jimmy the begin back to me because he not only confirmed. What I told him about health-wise, how much better it is health-wise, but he confirmed that but he also said that and don't forget Arnold that 25 or 28 percent of all the pollution.
Lucien comes from Raising livestock.
And he says if we just would cut that out we would have much less pollution so from an environmental point of view it's better and for my you know, personal point of view health-wise. So it's healthier for your body and it's healthy for you for our Earth. And so that was his message. And so Jim has never did. I'm aware of ever said anything to me about anything that wasn't true.
When I was governor and I went on as we usually go and our motorcycle rides and we were sitting over there at the rock store and he said he says we want to bring out the reverse metering.
He says, pay attention to that, I found out when I went to Sacramento Yeshua enough that if someone put solar on the building, that save a huge warehouse and you produce so much electricity because of all this solar that you cover, the whole top of the warehouse that you have spear in electricity that you want to send it back to the grid so other people can use it and you get paid for it or get credit for it.
Hmm, from the power companies that the power companies just doesn't want that. They don't like that. No, there was a produced own, which means more fossil fuels and what damage to our Earth. So I then started fighting and started really working in that direction so that they do accept reverse metering. So it's things like that, that no one would even know.
What Jim Cameron is talking about and and I immediately picked up on it, but it just shows you also how smart he is. Mmm. I'm in specially with Dixon, the technological things and technology and with with little details and he reads A Lot in order to have just so experience. So you know, he was always a great guy to talk to no was learn from him a lot. I mean the other day he came to me the other day the other way,
month, he came to me and he said,
you know, I had this stomach problem.
And the doctor says, just don't eat for a few days.
And I said, okay.
So, he says, didn't need for few more days. So, you know, the normal wisdom would tell us, we run out of energy. He says, will you believe that they had more energy on the set? Uh-huh, he says and as soon as they ate, my first meal, is my energy. Drop his, of course, eventually we have to eat because lives of without food, he says, but the bottom line is that eating lunch when you on a set.
Does not make you become more energetic, it robs you of energy because the blood or Russia, a tiny bit tired and he says that. That's why we have French hours on a set which means you can eat throughout the day but there was no more lunch break because this is a waste of two hours of her people's performance and he's right. He's absolutely I'd been I don't eat in the morning. I go to the gym and work out and I don't have breakfast. And I think this comes
12:00 or 1:00 when I do something. I must I'm so energetic. But as soon as you eat at 9:00 after my workout, and after my back, right? I got home and I sit down and I said, reading something like this. I kind of like those off, right? Then says, It's amazing. So he again, he was right. So I just think that so many things did he has taught me and told me Jim was always right
well just say he's a detail or
That person is the understated. The aromatic like, you know, he's a somebody who meets you in that place where nothing is going to get. In the way of basically achieving your goal at the level that you aspire to achieve are right. But most people are not wired that way. No, you know, you're walking the Earth with a certain
Like sort of default operating system that other people lack, which maybe makes it easier for you to accomplish your goals, but also, perhaps might be frustrating because it's hard not to like, want people to kind of be operating on your level and now you have this book where you're sharing. Like here's how I did it. Here's what you can learn. From my experience here are the principles that kind of created the playing field for me to do all of these things. What is
Process from your perspective of trying to get people, to, to grab onto these things and take responsibility because you can't, willingness, you can't engender willingness in another person, right? They either they either like want to achieve a goal or they don't and you can give them all the tools and say do this. But what you can't do is actually instigate them into action or maybe you can
do you think about that? No, no you can. I know what you're saying but it is interesting.
Testing how sometimes people listen to you and an interview or they talk to you in person and there's something, you say, maybe not even intentionally, where did they say? That's what did it? That's what triggered something in me that I want to go now and set the goal for myself and do x, y, and C. So he did, he came be the oddest thing that I myself could motivate a lot of times when a watch
Something big coincidence or watch a documentary, or I hear something, it triggers something and then it motivates you to go in a certain direction. So I thank to disregard that will be a mistake. I think that we have to do everything that we can. And since I, by accident fell into, this thing here, becoming a motivational speaker because yeah, ten years ago was an accident.
Totally, I see ya ten years ago when I was doing or more than that 15 years ago when I was doing a commencement speech at USC and that talked about the ma just to to motivate the kids when they graduate, here's my six inner points by six rules to success.
From that point on people kept asking me to finally do a book. Why don't you do it book? Why didn't you do a book? And I just said, I'm not this, not the business I'm in but then all of a sudden people that I got in the speaker speaker circuit. Yeah, you know, the president's usually on or ex-presidents I should say and and obviously, I'm traveling around and doing speech with Clinton, somewhere in Africa. And they, and yeah. And
With various different leaders and everyone is asking me to do a motivational speech not to talk about policy. Not about the environment, the other but my governorship or anything or but bodybuilding. No, a motivational speech. They want to have the six rules. So the seven rules of the tenderest, whatever it takes, they want them to know that they all say is look, it's been having five thousand people from Real Estate. Dear pump them up, we got to go and get more sales.
Awesome power. And so that's always said that fell into this groove of kind of a people say, you know, this is some motivational, would you saying this is so great? This is exactly what we needed to a book in the family. Did the book. Hmm.
What is your relationship with it? Like, in terms of how it makes you feel like compared to being the biggest movie star in the world, compared to being Governor, compared to, you know, winning all those titles as a bodybuilder use
earlier about
how you can become addicted to that feeling that you get, when you're helping somebody else, right? And this is, this is a very palpable powerful way of you reaching out to people directly and having that impact on them. Does it feel different than what it felt like when you were Governor or when you were doing the big movies? Is it the same?
Like the gratification that you get
from from it all I think it all feels good. Yeah. You know, but they mean it's also be change. I'm a different person sitting here today than it was when I was 20 years old than one, my first Mr. Universe contest can imagine. So to me, that was the most important thing in my life. This was like, unbelievable. But
Then came a day Where I Stood on that stage and I want mr. Olympia even a bigger title than mr. Universe I didn't mean anything as soon as I started this guys did their just beat. They will be much happier with the title than I am. So I'm out of here.
And that was it, I quit that went into acting. So then what was in that becomes the most important thing to go in the ring, a big box office to have a successful movie, The Go from action to combat in from Comedy to action and it is indented orders care of things that becomes the most important thing.
but then in 2003, when I finished my promotion to a foot pump for terminated three,
And they had a recall election here. I said to myself, this is what I should do. I should run for governor. What the hell is this? Is this isn't the same thing in my going to go not for to Terminator, you know, 4 and 16 and 20 and Conan 14 assembly. He said what I would but life is about in the must be more than that. So obviously in these that looking for the, in the
To the code, the PPD, right? The big and bigger better deal in the size as that looking for, something more spicy. That's what risky and it is bigger than for me. And to me, it's a a politics. Yeah, that's that's the something that is a new challenge. That could be really great and I stepped into that Arena. So it's we change and we change. And so what was want them to me? The most important thing and the most exciting thing, you know, the days not and so
Is no exciting to be able to motivate people to be better, and to go and to fight for the environment and to, you know, promote democracy. And to terminate gerrymandering, and all this kind of issues in the due, to run the Schwarzenegger Institute, and the big students, you know, kind of learn firsthand of what it's about to become.
I'm a leader in order to stuff at the University. So this is the kind of things that they did mean something to me. So it's an evolution as I get older NASA, get wise, and as I get better and smarter and all of that stuff, things
change. I want to be conscious of your time. I got to let you go, but Prime's gone. Yeah, I'm gonna get you out of here. Are you bored? No, no. I want to give you a little like last last opportunity for
Little shimei, you know like what is it that you want people to get out of this book? What do you think is holding people back the most? How are you messaging? These people lighting a fire under their ass, trying to get them pumped up and on a new better trajectory,
you know, this is simply to make people better and to make them recognize that they don't have to get stuck where they are but they can change because every day
Is an opportunity of changed and so I want them to look at this book and let's just say maybe there's something in that they will motivate me to change and to get better to improve myself and I have to get stuck in this. I can shoot for big course. I want people to be aware of it that you don't have to shoot for little goals but you can shoot for big cores that it is just as difficult to shoot for a little goal than to shoot for big core, and I want them to know that they shouldn't be afraid of failure. That is comes naturally in life that will be fairly and
Be successes. The important thing is that we learn from that but not to be Frozen and to be the fear that I want them to know that they have to create a vision of where they want to go without a vision. There is just nowhere to go you use. It's just the way it is in life, he would just wander around without a mission, without the joy of chasing something. How much fun it is to chase something. So I want them to learn those basic lessons that makes you just
More successful in better. Hmm,
you're speaking my language. Thank you for that. That was beautifully. Put you're an international treasure. It meant a lot to me for you to spend time today. So I thank you for that.
Thank you. Appreciate it, keep up. All you played a good living and tried it ceases. Yeah, it's like amazing. Yeah, I love a guy that guy that can hit any given time walk from my office over to the beach and swim
to Hawaii.
Wish how many, how
many people can do that wish that's that's unbelievable. Anyway,
there's a great
job. Yeah thank you but the good work. Okay, she ate it.
Thank useful available everywhere. It's going to be impossible to avoid you. I think probably in coming weeks so it's going to be the book is going to be everywhere. It's going to be a bank. Yes, I loved it and appreciate
you. Thank you, Karen. It was fun. Riding a nice. Thank you.
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