This is Jocko podcast number 338 with Echo, Charles and me, Jocko will Inc. Good evening, a committee when I was teaching,
Close Quarters. Combat.
Which is you know going into rooms going into buildings and clearing rooms and clearing buildings clearing hallways, clearing stairwells. There's all kinds of things that a seal has to do correctly when they do this. And there are a lot of rules, a lot of standard operating procedures that you have to follow how you enter the room.
Where your feet go, where you aim your weapon and where you don't aim your weapon, how far you stay off the wall, what you say to your shooting, buddy? When you need to move, what you how you respond to your shooting buddy, when he needs to move.
There's a bunch of.
Verbal and nonverbal signals that you give.
With your voice, with your weapon, with your posture, with your actions, you got to know how to give those signals. You got to know how to receive those signals, and then there's a bunch of calls that you actually make. And again, some of those calls you make and you pass that word via verbal or other types of visual signals. When to move where to move.
What to address in a particular room or in a hallway or a building, because you got to prioritize an excuse, when you go into a room, there's multiple things going on. You got to figure out which one's the most important one. You've got to support your shooting buddy at all times. That's covered move. You got to do all this with simple clear concise communication you got to make sure that while you're doing all these things you're supporting the overall intent of the mission which is decentralized command. So there's a whole bunch of things going on.
When you're doing Close Quarters, combat.
and when I taught this,
There was, you know, we as instructor Cadre.
Would get really critical about the actions that the guys entering the room made because we wanted them to stay tight on the Sops because imagine you enter a room and you go where you're not supposed to go, you can get shot by by your partner. So you got to get guys to do the right thing and then they've got to be able to make decisions. They got to be able to make decisions quickly. And so all says Cadre.
You know, we would we would definitely harp on these guys and and give them from critique. When they screwed something up, hey you're too far off the wall or you should address that Open Door first or that you didn't clear behind that couch over there. So we're getting on these guys and there's a million points to critique and criticize, and we did that. We and again, the reason we did, that was to make sure that they follow the Sops because when you get into a platoon or you're in a platoon and you don't follow the
So peace, there's some Sops if you don't follow them in CQC.
You can get yourself killed. You can get your buddy killed. You can get the everybody killed.
so we're hypercritical now as I watch that and it's you know it's as my Cadre as I watch my Cadre Eli sort of detached and would would let the Cadre sort of run the those finer points of the standard operating procedures and I got to a point where
you know, I would talk to guys
When they do something
wrong,
where I'd say, hey, you did what you did?
Let's figure out why. So in other words o, Echo, went into the room and he addressed this door instead of that couch first. You know, and I could say, hey, that doors open, it's a bigger than I would say. Hey, Echo, you, you address the couch and you turn your back on the door. What were you thinking about? Because I wanted to know why you did it. So that,
I can learn more and it can allow me to teach better, right? If I know why you did something. And you say, well, you know, I thought that the biggest threat was one of those closest to me. Well, this one might be further away, but if it's a bigger space, to hide behind, whatever the case may be,
so,
As I learned why people made mistakes that helped me be able to teach these things better because then I could close some of those loose ends as I'm teaching it. And I took this to other areas of training as well, especially with the leaders, right? Especially with the leaders, the young seal leaders trying to understand, not just what they did wrong and point out to them what they did wrong. But why they did it.
So that I could adjust the training to address the shortfall and I could enjoy address and adjust my own, my own methodology of instruction to make sure that I explained it in a way that they understood why we're doing something a certain way. So I need to figure out, I needed to figure out what they were thinking and why they were thinking it. And I learned a lot from doing that and of course, we would do this type of thing after missions as well. You know, the, the debrief
We get on with the mission, we immediately are going to go do debrief what happened? Why it happened? What we could do better and of course I will. If we had a someone on the team that mess something up, but I would talk to him about why they did it. Not just ream I'm out because they screwed up. But hey, what were you thinking? When you made that move? What do you think? Why did you move into that building? What did you think was going to happen?
And and you know if you read extreme ownership the first chapter after the Blue on Blue, of course we obviously debriefed and we created some new standard operating procedures to prevent it from happening again or at least mitigate the risk as much as we could. And if you read the rest of the book, there were even more situations that we talked about in the book that were close to being catastrophic.
Fracture sides catastrophic blue on Blues but we were able to stop those from happening either from our procedures that we had put in place or are better understanding of what could unfold or our awareness of what was happening.
And when I got home from that deployment,
I debriefed that operation that Blue on Blue. I debriefed it over and over again to the SEAL Teams and the platoons are going through training in the troops that were going through training to try and pass on the lessons learned to everyone. And then we set up training.
That we organized the training so that those Lessons Learned would get embedded into these young seal leaders. They would understand how these things happen. So they could prevent them from happening and I was told many times over the years that the training and awareness that we gave people
Prevented many Friendly Fire incidents has from happening, and I mean, case in point. Jason Garner's got a few in that, he, that happen to him on his deployment, to Afghanistan, where he straight up said, you know, like, hey, if I wouldn't have been aware if we wouldn't, wouldn't have had that blue-on-blue training. This, we probably would have had a Blue on Blue for real. So I heard that many times.
Now, a lot of people have been asking me about the horrific scenario that unfolded in Uvalde Texas.
Psychotic and sociopathic gunman entered, a school and killed. 19 innocent children and two adults.
and,
I can't even fathom the grief and the fan, the, the just trauma for those families. The horror the hole in their lives that they have now that can never be replaced.
and the
potential of life.
That was thrown away before it even had a chance to grow, and it's just a completely.
Heartbreaking situation.
And what has made the situation even harder to process?
Was the response from law enforcement on the scene.
and,
Of course we all like to think about and talk about what I would have done.
but I would have done if I were there and I get that everyone is horrified by what took place
and we all like to
think
that we would have been braver that we would have been more decisive that we would have had more situational awareness that we would have handled the scenario in a way that created a better outcome, of course.
We all
like to we would all give anything to be able to create a better outcome in that situation.
and unfortunately, in
the situation has already happened. The outcome is complete.
And we can't change what happened and what the response was any more than I could change the decision. A young seal made when he walked into Roman, move the wrong way, or address the wrong threat, I couldn't change what he had done. I could tell him what he did wrong. But what I really needed to do, as I said, was understand why why he made that decision?
And learn from it
and then figure out how I could teach other people to not make that mistake. And that is unfortunately,
the best I can offer in this situation as well. Now,
There are other things to talk about.
With regards to contributing factors in this situation, and you've got mental health, you got media violence, you got dehumanization of people, you got gun laws and their enforcement, or lack of enforcement. And I talked about some of those on the Jocko unraveling podcast with Daryl Cooper and all those. The thing is with all those, those are massive subjects.
Those are massive subjects. All of them that are being discussed at the national level.
And we'll take some unified efforts.
to solve it will take some unified efforts and by that, I mean, people actually working together which we don't seem to have any of,
So as that conversation continues to take place, I just want to look at what happened tactically on the ground.
And try and figure out why it happened.
And I'm going to use a timeline follow a timeline from the Texas Tribune. It was last updated on June 9th. And, and just, just to note, we're recording this today on June 13th, 2022. And it's just based on simple open-source reporting and I'm sure that there will be more detailed information available in the future. And maybe at some point we'll go over it with more detail. But
The thing is, there are lessons to be learned even from what we know right now, that that I want to talk a little bit about again, from the Tactical perspective to try and figure out why things happened like this in this event.
So, again, from the Texas Tribune, this is May 24th. 2022 around 11 a.m. the shooter sends Facebook messages. The shooter sends private Facebook messages to a girl in Germany. He met online tells her about his plans to shoot his grandmother.
The gunman shoots, his grandmother in the face and calls the police.
The shooter steals, his grandmother's vehicle and drives from his home to Rob Elementary School, which is about two mile, two miles away.
so,
There you have a clear declaration that something bad is going to happen made by the individual himself and I don't know if there's some kind of a social media 911 call that you can make. It seems like it seems like there should be some kind of a social media 911 to call where if someone is making threats of violence, via social media that
People, that see these threats can have someone to contact.
Where action can be taken.
And I don't know if there is an AI that can screen for things like this. My guess is. Yes considering that if I google-searched something on my phone or on my laptop the very next screen that I click I get advertisements for whatever that thing that I just searched is so to think that we couldn't come up with or that the tech companies couldn't come up with something that was combing through messages coming through.
It's looking for.
Threatening content, it seems like that would be a feasible thing.
And and at a minimum to have something where there's like a universal 911 call to make. If someone is posting threatening things, it seems like that would be a move that would be able to help these when these situations unfold.
moving to 11:28 a.m. the shooter arrives at the school, the shooter crashes, the vehicle into a ditch near the school, he fires his gun at two male Witnesses, who began approaching the crash from a nearby funeral home, the witnesses flee, and called 911,
So so this this is at 11:28.
When you get a shooter that's in the vicinity of a school, there's got to be a really good lockdown protocol that happens.
And this is something that when we talk about lockdown, protocol one thing that that I think needs to be discussed is if you have a shooter that's external to the school, lock the doors.
but when you have a shooter that's in the school,
everyone should get the hell out of the school. You shouldn't keep people in the school anymore.
So having a couple different immediate action drills when it comes to when it, when a shooter is either in a school, we're going to get out of school. If he's outside the school, we're going to stay in the school. We're going to lock it down. Those require two different reactions, not one.
Because if there's a shooter in the school, you should get the hell out of
the school.
11:30 a.m. a teacher calls, 911.
Teacher at the elementary school makes a 911 call reporting the crash and seeing the shooter noting. He has a gun, the shooter walks toward the school climbs, the fence into the parking lot, and shoot at the school several times.
Again, if the shooters outside the school, we should have an instant protocol to keep him outside the school.
11:31 am shooter walks to the school parking lot. The shooter reaches, the last row of vehicles in the school parking lot. Firing his rifle throughout.
Police arrived at the funeral home. So you remember the people that initially reacted, to the crash, they ran away back to a funeral home called the police, the police. Now arrived at the funeral home a school district, police officer speeds in the direction of a person they think is the man with the gun reported by the teacher but drives past the gunman and head to the back of the school. Mistaking, a teacher for the
shooter.
So, you have a problem of positive identification. Now,
Where you got teachers who are the only adults in the schools except for the shooter. So how you going to tell them apart?
This is where we look and say, hey, is there an armband that we have is there in an emergency? Everyone knows to put on a certain t-shirt or a certain vest and I know that, you know, you might be thinking all that sounds stupid. If you've ever been into a combat situation where there's multiple people running around on the battlefield, positive identification is a real problem. It is really hard to identify. Who's who
And you can make it a lot easier. If you throw, if you give people some kind of a uniform to put on where 00, all the teachers are wearing a vest that says
teacher on it.
On orange vest.
11:33 a.m. the shooter enters the
school.
shooter enters the school, for the back, through the back door, he shoots at least 100 rounds, inside classes, classrooms 111 and 112 which are connected
Authorities originally said a teacher left the door, propped open. But later said, a teacher close the door and the automatic lock failed.
And there's she's a quote here. She remembers pulling the door closed while telling 911 that he was shooting,
she thought the door would lock because the doors always supposed
to walk.
I've heard some people talk about.
The horrible idea of or what seems like a horrible idea of turning schools
into.
You know, bunkers type thing, are we going to have armed guards at every and look no one wants to bring their kids to a school where the school feels like it's a reverse prison, right? Or some kind of a prison environment where you've got barbed wire and got bars on the window and all this kind of stuff. No one wants to bring their kids school like that, but there is a way to properly secure
schools.
Where it doesn't look like some prison camp.
There's absolutely way to make that happen.
And I think that just about any parent, I think actually any parent would be okay with having some security in place so that the school is a place where people can't get into unless they're supposed to
be there.
So the back doors, open look, does this mean I'm a little bit paranoid?
Meet.
Yes.
Yeah, little bit paranoid and I think a little bit of paranoia is actually okay.
A little bit of paranoia is actually okay.
So that was at 11:33.
At
11:35.
The the Uvalde police enter the school.
Three police officers rushed to the same door that the gunman used to enter, which was closed.
They enter and receive grazing wounds from the gunmen they retreat.
so, response time has been
Well, 11:28 a.m. the shooter arrives at the school.
11:31, he's walking through the parking lot, 11:33, he enters the school. The the police arrived pretty quickly. Now if there was some kind of security guard there, guess what response time is, zero
minutes
And does this mean that your kid feels like? He's going to school in a, in a, in a damn prison because there's a plane closed security guard there.
I'm okay with that.
Do I love it? No, I don't.
But this is not that big of a price to pay to keep Kids Safe.
The idea that a guard or an armed guard, has to be some overt presence that the kids have to walk by to get to class.
Oh there's you know, mr. Fred with the with the AR-15 guarding us. I feel intimidated because I'm a little kid. I don't like, I don't like it. It makes me feel uncomfortable. It does it have to be like, no, it doesn't actually have to be that way at
all.
There can be a very low visibility option for that.
And it can be a low visibility option that the children don't know much about but the public doesn't know about and therefore it also you it also causes deterrence for a would-be school shooter.
If the would-be school shooter knows that there are armed people in the school, they're probably going to figure out a different
Target.
so the police officers enter the school, they get shot at
Receive grazing wounds? They
retreat.
so,
This is a tough one to with what I know about, the only words here they Retreat and that they that they received fire. This could mean a bunch of different things.
This could mean full automatic fire, that is at the shooting at the door that they're trying to get through.
And if that's the case, and they proceeded in the religious cult going to die and now they can't help.
Or is it some rounds came? And they immediately retreated? I don't know. I don't know what happened there.
I do know this.
When you're getting shot at you. Now have information, you have very pertinent information.
You know, the general location. If you're taking rounds, you know, where they're, you know, at least a little bit where they're coming from.
So, now we can start to formulate some kind of a plan. You also know that you've got a high threat scenario and you've got children in there now, you can't just put down, cover fire and shoot back at a person in the school, because there's a bunch of kids, and you can get a friendly fire scenario happening.
So you can't just lay down cover fire. Like you would over in a in a foreign country in a war.
But you know where the bad guy is generally speaking. You know at least the door that you're at he has covered which tells you what there's other doors that he may not have covered. Meaning other doors, were he may not be able to engage
So we've tried one entry and we have now information that we can't get in there. So now, what are we going to do? Find another place to go.
At this point, going back to the timeline here, Pete Arredondo, the chief of the school districts, Police Department also arrives at the scene around this time. He does not have his radios.
Arredondo wanted both hands on his gun. If he encountered the shooter and believe the radios would have slowed him down his attorney said.
Now.
that's,
This is not, this is not even a thing, it's not even. This is not even a remotely.
Squared away Concept in any way. What the radio going in? When you do get going a the radio song You Down.
Be both hands on your gun. Mean, you don't carry your radio in your hand while you're shooting. You have you have your radio, you have a mic to talk into if you need to.
You going into a situation like this communication during an event? Like this is beyond critical this Beyond critical. Especially if you're the chief, if your overall in charge of what's Happening, you are the one person that absolutely needs radio and you'll have. So, does everybody else?
now, you don't always sometimes you don't always have every single person with a radio but if your overall in charge,
You're the one that's going to be communicating receiving Communications giving directions. You're the one that's supposed to get an overall concept of what's
Happening.
Now.
This is an insane lack of judgment.
And I would love to pull the thread on this.
And figure out what actually happened.
My guess is some, the chief didn't look in his car. See his radio and go. You know what? I'm going to leave my radio here.
My guess is, that's not what happened. That might be what the lawyers saying, as a rationalization. Well, he thought he might need it. He thought it might slow him down and thought that he want to have both hands on his guns, on his gun. That might be a post operation rationalization. Excuse my guess is that in the, in the Panic of the situation,
he didn't think about it, forgot it.
and by the way, this points to a and equally insane lack of training,
Because no one ever in any kind of scenario ever where more than one person is acting at in different parts of a team decides, not to bring a radio. That's not a decision that anyone is going to make
I would grab my radio before if I was in charge. I grab my radio before. I grab my weapon. How you like
that?
So to be in charge and to decide not to bring your radio is
Complete and utter failure and you have seen some things where they ran, some scenarios like this, the training. If you train one time doing this,
and you're in charge, you'll say damn, I better make sure I have good Communications with my team. What if you do this one time?
If you approach a hostile Target. Where there's bad guys in there one time. No, no hostages. No children. Just one bad guy. You put him in a building and you have you and one other person you'll you'll make that radio
An absolute
priority.
One time. Now, you take a situation where you've got an active shooter, and there's a bunch of kids and you got different units coming in from different places. You're gonna freakin need a radio and you would know that if you had any training
whatsoever,
Here's the thing, it takes practice. And I know this sounds crazy, because everyone's look, Everyone's an armed armchair quarterback and everyone can sit there look. Of course, I would have brought my radio. I'm telling you, I'm telling you this, it takes practice to know this as obvious as it seems everyone. Right now it takes practice you here. Kids screaming you hear, gunshots going off. Your, you're the person in charge, you kind of panic and you go
You haven't been trained to the proper level and you go in there with her out without a radio.
So it's it's again, reflects bad training.
And at this point, former officers, including a deputy with the County Sheriff's Office. Also enter the school at this time. So now we have seven police there against one. And again, I'm going to need to see the breakdown detail of, of the of the building itself of where people entered. But you got more people in the school. Now
and by the way, by my numbers that 7 police against one shooter,
And I like those odds.
seven against one, I like,
11:37 gunman fires? 16? More rounds again?
You have a school with little kids in it and the gunman is shooting.
What that means is you go, that's what that means.
Let me rephrase that if you didn't already get the signal that there's a freaking gunman in a school.
And you haven't done everything, you can to get in there. And now that gunman is shooting. Again, that's another blaring signal to get your ass in there.
And by the way, these are not, these are lessons that have been learned.
When you look what happened at Columbine, they came up with the same kind of conclusions. There was too much hesitation, there's too much waiting. When you hear this stuff happening, you have to take
action.
This is, this is, this is exactly the type of scenario. Where, when I start with teaching, the young seals, I had to teach them to be default aggressive. This is the exact kind of scenario. The problem is not going to solve itself, you have to go and solve it. That's what you have to do.
And the reason that I had to teach them to be aggressive and have that be their default mode is because when things like this happen, Peoples, Natural mode. Isn't to take action for many people, their natural mode is, oh, I don't know what's happening. I'm going to wait to try and figure out what's happening. That's what their instinct is.
And we have to train that instinct out of many people. Not all people. Some people, you actually have to train in the other direction. Some people have to say, hey, hold on a second, you don't know. You have no idea. What's happening? Don't go running in there. Most people you have to train. Hey if it's going on and you can't tell what's happening, you need to get aggressive and figure out what's happening. You need to take action.
In a situation like this. Where now you have a gunman in school, it's still shooting. It is time without question to do, whatever you need to do to get
in there.
Now at 143 am Rob Elementary and you validate police post on Facebook. They announced it that the school is under lockdown status to do gunshots in the area.
By the way, this is like 150 rounds. Have been fired. The students and staff are safe in the building. The building is secure in a lockdown status school. Officials say in an announcement.
So there's no emergency communication in the building.
and what I mean by that there's no there's no
Pro word. So in the military, you have something called a pro word.
Which is one word. That means something. That means a whole whole scenario is taking place.
So
if I'm out on an operation and we start taking fire heavy fire from the target building and we haven't entered the target yet. I have one word that I can say, and when I say that one word, everybody knows what to do. Everyone knows that there's no friendlies in the building that the target building is shooting heavy fire at us. I can say one word and everybody knows what to do.
If we have people in the Target building, we start taking fire. I have one word I can say in everybody knows what to do.
So there's a breakdown of communication here because no one is put out. Hey, there's a freaking shooter in our school. That's gunning people
down.
No one, no gnosis.
So no one knows what's happening. So as you think through these scenarios you need to come up with some Pro words. So that everyone understands
what's happening.
At the same time, the Uvalde Police Department posts on Facebook, large police presence. At Rob Elementary, we asked the public to avoid diarrhea.
So is not communication between the school and the police do are there Police radios in the school.
That seems like a really obvious question.
But does the school have the ability to communicate with the police directly through radios?
Because this is not a very hard thing to figure out, it's not a very costly thing to figure out.
11:44, am the police officers are inside.
Police with, with the city of Uvalde are and the school district are inside the school, this is 1144. Uvalde police officers. Enter the building, where the shooter is from the north entrance.
They hear gunfire are shot at move back and get cover.
Again, if you're getting shot at you, now have a general idea of where the shooter is.
And if you have a general idea with where the shooter is, then it's time to maneuver. It's time to flank.
A shooter can only cover so many different directions at the same time.
And how do I know that?
Because I've been on both sides of those scenarios.
When you, when you train properly, you not only act as the good guys, you spend time as a bad guy.
So, you start to realize what works and what doesn't work?
That's the benefit of training.
Back to the document around this time, Arredondo and another Uvalde police officer. Enter the building through this South, entrance Arredondo Witnesses, the gunfire. He then checks the door to the classroom that the shooter is in. Finding it locked. He uses his cell phone to call for SWAT teams. Snipers, extrication, tools and keys to the
classrooms.
This is at 1144.
So, all this has taken place for almost over 20 minutes. This has been going on and only now we're getting a call for SWAT team. Snipers breaching
tools.
And it's on the cell phone. Me, how why are we making calls on a cell phone?
Why is that happening?
We have radios. There's a reason you have radios direct communication.
Instantaneous immediate direct communication to A Whole Net of people.
Oh, that's right. Well, he doesn't have his radio.
She's making cell phone
calls.
It says initially there's a quote in here initial officers are there and receive gunfire. Therefore, do not make entry officers, call everyone in the area for additional resources. Tactical teams equipment, specialty equipment, body, armor, Precision, Rifleman and negotiators. They're evacuating students and teachers during this time, and this is from Victor, Escalon, a DPS official during a press conference on May
26.
from the very beginning of this whole thing, you clearly have an active shooter that needs to be hunted down and killed
That's completely evident from the first moments as soon as a car, crashes, into guys, go to help and they, and he gets shot at or those two guys get shot at by someone who then Maneuvers towards a school. This is a active shooter situation and someone needs to hunt this guy down and kill him.
And that's the mode that needs to be gone into instantaneously.
And there's going to be
risk.
There's going to be risk when you're going up against someone with a Gun, there's a risk that you're gonna die. And that's what we in the military and law enforcement sign up for
and we have to think through that actually, and you have to train for that.
And the first time that you think about getting shot and the probability that you get shot, shouldn't be in an actual gunfight. This isn't shouldn't be the first time this is going through your head.
You should do training and you need to do training where you understand what you're going to be put up against and you should understand what that feels like. And you should either get over it and accept that as part of your job or you should get a different job.
11:48.
There's an officer's wife is shot.
So, you've all d.c. ISD. Police Officer, Ruben ruie. Ruies can be heard telling other officers as he arrives inside the school that his wife Eva Morales has been shot.
so I, you know, you look at this woman, the schoolteacher, just seemed like an amazing human
She's got pictures, there's pictures of her. She's, you know, Outdoors. She's enjoying life. She's out running. She's hiking, she's doing Spartan races. She's doing CrossFit. She's just seems like an awesome woman.
And had a daughter with, with Ruben Ruiz.
So, he gets word that she that she
shot.
11:51 am more police arrive.
More law enforcement officials arrived at the scene again. So what are we doing at this point?
Who is running things at this point in time now, you got 15, 20 law enforcement officers
On scene and you got one bad guy.
That's a fight. We can win all day long. All day long.
We're going to win and we might take some casualties.
But we can win that fight all day long.
11:54 am, there's an onlooker starts filming.
21 minutes. After the shooter enters, the school and on liquor streams. A live video showing parents begging police to enter the
school.
Now, this is very difficult to watch. This is actually sickening to watch, there are parents that are going crazy with frustration. They want to help their kids.
And in end in some of these videos, you can see that the parents are being held back by officers with long guns.
With rifles with assault rifles.
And and they're what they're doing, is keeping the parents at Bay.
Now here, now here's what's difficult to understand, most likely I can just about guarantee these officers that are doing this, have no idea what's going on.
I have no idea what's happening.
They probably think they're doing the right thing, which is, hey, there's an active shooter in there, my teammates are in there, killing this guy. So I need to make sure these civilian stay safe. That's what they're thinking and, why are they thinking? That's because no one in this, this whole scenario is detached and connecting the pieces.
Which is what needs to happen when this kind of thing goes down. Someone has got to take a step back and piece together. What's happening? Put together a plan.
So these parents, you watch these parents. They they actually are somewhat detached. The parents are kind of detached because they can see that. There's why is this shooting continuing? Why is this happening?
1203.
Police continue to arrive in a student calls. 911 from inside a student calls. 911 from Room. 112 for a minute and 23 seconds, and identifies herself in a whisper
Meanwhile, as many as 19 officers are positioned in the school's hallway. 19 officers
And now we know that we got kids in there alive.
And you've 19 officers.
12:10 student calls back.
Student calls 911 again and says multiple people are dead.
So now, you know, for sure the shooter is a psychopath that needs to be stopped.
That's what, you know.
12:13 p.m. student calls, 911, again, student calls a third time authorities, have not expanded on our comments during this, call 12:15 border patrol Tactical Unit arrives.
Border patrol, Tactical Unit members carrying Shields arrived and look. Ballistic Shields are a great, an awesome tool to have for sure.
They're great.
We're not waiting for this, if there's kids that are going to be killed when I waiting for Shields to show up.
12:16 p.m. student calls 911 once again. The student calls 911 again saying eight or nine students are alive so now we know we got live kids in there.
and we got,
More than enough people to make this happen.
12:17. Oddly enough to school now? Oz, there's an active shooter on campus.
I mean, what's happening?
In our overall, from an overall leadership perspective between the school and the police. When we have at 12:17 as there's dead, children dead teachers and now we're announcing that we have an active shooter on campus.
The onlookers. The the parents are now begging for action.
Here's a little pull out at some point during the standoff onlookers beg police to charge the school.
According to the Associated Press Parents, try to break windows and are not allowed to immediately be reunited with their children. Again, there's video of this, it's sickening to watch. There's parents yelling out. What are you doing? Get inside the building, go protect the kids.
And there's a one mom.
One mom Anjali Rose Gomez. She get scuffed.
She gets cuffed for quote intervening with an active
investigation.
and
I can't even give this woman enough props and praise
She she like, pretended to calm down so that they would release her once. They released her, she distanced herself from the crowd, got away from, like, all the hype and all the Mania. And then she jumped the fence went and got her two
kids out.
Meanwhile, she said that other father's got tackled, pepper. Sprayed, and
tased.
Again I somebody has to take a step back and get control the situation. And no one did that here and is there a chance that someone in this group of people one of these police officers happens to be a really good leader and happens to understand what to do in Dynamic situations and happens to have the authority in the leadership.
Skill to get control of the situation. Is there a chance that someone might have that there's a chance? There's also a chance that no one has that. And that's why you have to train people so they can perform in these situations and you have to end by the way. The training also is a screening to see what kind of personality people have. And see what kind of shortfall is they have as leaders and some people don't have the cognitive capacity to make these decisions and some people don't have the cognitive capacity to take a step back.
And some people don't have the wherewithal to press through in tough scenarios. And so as As Leaders, we need to know who those
people are.
This Mom.
Miss Gomez, Miss Gomez. She is that type of person.
To take action to be default aggressive, get things solved. She was detached enough emotionally to realize she had to get away from the mob, get to a position where she can maneuver in. She was able to do this, some people have that natural ability, some people don't, and I'm going to get to this in a little bit. There's also training that has to be overcome, sometimes people fall into training habits, that aren't
good.
So we have to train to the point that we recognize when what we've been trained to do isn't
working.
12:19 p.m. another student calls 911 from from room 111. Hangs up when another student tells her to 1221 gunman fires again.
Authorities. Say, he was believed to be at the classrooms door.
On a 911, call from a student three. Gunshots can be heard.
This is over and over again.
Things that would mean to me as a tactical. Leader. We go. Right now this there's Time After Time, After Time, After Time there's execute criteria.
A room full of kids. There's a guy in there, he's shooting you go. There's not a debate. You go. That's what you do. You go, you go through the windows, you breach the doors, you do whatever. You gotta do to get in there. That's what you do.
12:36 student in room 111 calls back. Again, same student calls back for 21 seconds and is told to stay on the land quietly.
12:43 gun and shoots the door.
The student tells 9/11 that the gunman shot the door.
Okay.
There's there's another execute criteria and you do what you have to do to get in there, Windows, you put ladders up to the windows, you crash, you, you crash through those windows. You crash a vehicle into the windows,
You shoot the door off the hinges.
That's what you do.
12:46, I can hear the police next door, student, called 911 12:46 Arredondo gives the approval to enter,
If y'all are ready to do it, you do it. He says according to a transcript of police body, cam footage.
12:46.
12:46.
Over an
hour.
12:47.
911 call from a student. Please send police now.
12:50 border patrol Tactical Unit officer breaches the room and uses using a janitors keys and kills the
gunman.
And I don't have, I don't have any details on how that actually happened yet.
I've I know bortac people, which is the border patrol Tactical Unit bortac, I know them, I've actually worked with them a little bit.
I've got some reports that that they disobeyed orders people were telling them not to enter, and they did it anyways. Good on them.
But you know what, I've been saying this whole time go in go in, go in.
And you think to yourself, well if you go in or you're going to get shot, if you go in and it's going to happen, you don't know. But look what happens when these guys finally go in,
they go in there and they kill the guy.
That's what happens. You got to go on offense.
12:51.
Children are moved out of
the room.
So
1251 106, police announced the shooter is in custody because the border patrol one in there and killed them.
And then you Val di police announced on Facebook that the shooter is in custody authorities, recanted that information later.
So there you
have it.
What can we learn from
this?
And again, at this point in time, I'm focused on what can we learn from this tactical situation that unfolded?
What can we learn from it?
I know there's a whole bunch of a whole slew of other topics to talk about.
And those are happening on a massive level.
And those will continue to happen.
But as an area that I actually know, a decent amount about is this. So that's what I'm talking about.
And, and first of all, and I've been saying this for years police need more training.
police, 20% of
Time 20% of working hours for police, should be spent training.
That's what should happen, that's what needs to happen. And listen, you think, oh, that that there's now going to be less people out on patrol, less police out on patrol. Veer their effectiveness will more than make up for the fact that there's less police on patrol. Who would you rather if you are in a hostage situation, with some crazy person in your house, who would you rather have show up 10 untrained people or eight? Highly trained
people?
And if you're not sure about that, let me tell you because I guarantee you all day long, I'll take eight, highly trained people over 10 on train, people all day.
All day.
And I'll tell you, I am. Now I've started to talk to some organizations to see how Ashlyn from my company can help do this on a national level, what should this training consists of what we training policing?
Well, combatives for one thing shooting breaching. First aid trauma.
D escalation, and anybody that's listening that doesn't know much about the police. You might think they do all this stuff all the time. They don't
They don't do this all the time, they barely get to shoot.
I bet you 99% of police have very limited training if any in breaching.
In how to breach a door with a, with a shotgun.
Combatives. Barely any barely any training.
Close Quarters. Combat room-clearing.
Urban combat clearance.
How do you handle an active shooter? How do you handle a barricaded shooter? And then you've got to run scenarios, you got to put people into these situations.
You gotta get.
simunition, or some kind of
Round that can be fired at other people during training, you need assets. You need role players.
So that people get used to it.
And you absolutely get better at. This is exactly what I did for a living was trained young seals, so that they understand what to do in these types of situations and you can watch and see them learn and get
better.
And over time, they eventually get to a point where they know exactly what to do.
Yeah, they learn about the basic fundamental principles cover and move simple. Prioritized xqd centralized command there, to learn about those things. They're gonna learn about decentralized command, which means when I show up, and there's something going on, and I'm the junior guy, but I'm the first person there. I can make things happen. I can make decisions. I know what the priorities are.
That's what they learn.
They learn how to detach. You've heard me say, someone's got to take a step back and figure out what's happening. Broadly? Well, that's what people learn. When you run them through the appropriate training, they learn how to communicate. They learn the importance of communications, they learn not to go into Dynamic scenarios without a radio, so they can communicate with the rest of their
troops.
This so much of this whole thing was, people not seeing the big picture, no one assembled the entire scene to understand what was happening.
And therefore no one made the broad call that needed to be made which is get in there.
Get in there. We're
going.
And this does take training.
It does take training. Now it doesn't take training if you're a parent and your kids in there, that doesn't take any training that's instinct.
And I'll talk a little bit about that, but it takes training. I had experienced seals, I would have experienced seals that would fail to take action when they needed to and we'd have to have them, do that training again and maybe again and maybe again until they realize that when they don't take action, everything's going to fall apart.
So, even seals would have a hard time in some cases figuring these things out.
Now, like I said, the parents that were there, they were they were detached and maybe not emotionally because they're they're, they're obviously horrified by what's going on.
But some of the parents you can go watch the videos. They're making matter of fact, statements about what was going on.
They're saying there's kids in there. There shooting going on.
Now to this idea of instinct, which I mentioned Instinct versus methodology versus Instinct, okay? You have an instinct of what to do.
And in some cases, you need to get trained against that instinct.
It's just like in Jiu-Jitsu, there's certain things where your instinct is wrong. And so, it takes some training to teach you to overcome your
instinct.
To learn a methodology that's superior to the Instinct and there are times when the methodology is wrong in the instinct is correct. Well what do I mean by that? I got a story about JP Danelle JP Danelle. One of my guys in my last deployment to Iraq.
And outstanding guy, SEAL Sniper Point man, outstanding guy and when we first started working together, we were out in the desert and we're doing a patrol out in the desert and the patrol stopped. And I'm looking at JP + JP standing out in the open.
Did you standing out in the open? Now we're out in the desert, but it's not a Barren desert, there's rocks, and shrubs and micro terrain features, and we stopped our Patrol and JP standing out in
the open.
And I walk over to him and I said, hey JP, if you were 10 years old right now, and we were playing War, where would you be standing?
And he pointed over to a little bush, with some rocks, around it with little terrain, to hide behind. And he said right over there,
And I said, let your tens ten-year-old instinct.
Let it come to life. Let it do its job, that's where you should be. I know the standard operating procedure is when the patrol stops you set down in your position in your Field of Fire. You Halt, and you stay there. But if you can move six yards and have good cover and concealment, that's what you should do.
So sometimes people trained to a point, like these police officers, probably. And I've heard some some talk about this. Hey, it's a barricaded shooter, which means we he's going to be staying there and we should negotiate. So they got in this mode of well, barricaded shooter. He's not, he we should just negotiate with them.
The reality, the situation, it wasn't barricaded Shooters, he was moving around, he's still shooting the entire time. That's not a barricaded shooter, that's decided to Hole up in negotiating for some kind of Ransom.
Not at all.
They got stuck in that mode.
What needed to happen was action.
A methodical entry a perfect entry into the building. If you were to plot out the perfect Close Quarters, combat operation for this school. And how many people you would need in what methodology would move for the building and what type of breaches you would use on the doors and which would be most efficient? All the stuff goes out the window when there's an active shooter in a room with a bunch of kids,
Your Instinct needs to be to get in there and some of those parents had that instinct yelling get into the building.
But the training methodology, had boxed these guys in mentally where they thought, oh well we don't have Shields and at this is a I'm speculating at this point but oh, if we don't have ballistic Shields, we shouldn't go in there. Hey, we were taught not to go into a shooter situation and active shooter situation. Without ballistic Shields, we're waiting for the ballistic Shields know.
That's the methodology been talk. It's not working right now.
What about the windows?
Walking up to the windows smashing a window.
Shooting through the window. You can do that.
Throwing crash grenades Through the Windows.
Put 10 crash grenades Through the Windows on this guy.
There's a bunch of different things that if
if you do, what you would naturally do in a situation, you're probably right.
So what you have to do is you're going to have Instinct, you're gonna have a natural instinct. The Instinct could be wrong, the Instinct could be right.
I mean, here's an instinct. When somebody shooting at me, I'm going to run away. I'm not going to go back. So, so police officers have to overcome that instinct to go and stay and maneuver towards fire. That's overcoming their natural instinct.
But there's sometimes where the methodology is wrong and so you have to be good enough to overcome your methodology and go with your instincts sometimes.
Are you sure it's another thing? I used to say to these young seals
If you, I'd say, hey, if you're going to go in that room right now and I was in there and you were 10 years old, and I was ten-year-olds years old. And I had a squirt gun, and you had a squirt gun, and you're going to enter this room. How would you do it?
And they'd show me, and I'd say, doesn't that, make more sense than what you just did and they'd say, yeah, it does, but they would follow some standard operating procedure. That didn't make sense in a particular room, but they would do what they were taught to do, even though it didn't make sense.
And the ability to decide whether your instinct is right or wrong.
You get that ability by being able to take a step back and assess. And the way you get that ability to take a step back and assess is through training.
And it takes time.
And that's why I use that term that that that idea of 20% of time for police officers, should be spent training and you're going to end up with infinitely more qualified and prepared
police.
there was a
there was a fighting methodology, a combatives methodology, A system that was being used in the SEAL Teams and it was, it was, it was, it was ineffective, it was an ineffective system, but one of the reasons that it was argued
To be a good system.
Was because there was a one-week course of instruction of this fighting methodology. That if you took this one week course of instruction, then you are qualified.
And allegedly prepared for combat. Well, you can't learn to fight one week. There's not going to happen. You can't learn good. Combative skills in one week.
And and so I was bringing up to my chain of command. Hey, this combative system is ineffective. We should use some kind of a more mixed martial arts combination of jujitsu Wrestling Boxing Muay Thai, using our weapons in those scenarios.
And one of the arguments that I got against that idea, was that all that stuff, takes years to learn. It takes takes years to learn to stuff this stuff. We can teach people in a week.
Well, you know what, I said to that. I said, well, we're in the damn teams for 20 years, let people get good. You shouldn't tell someone that after a week of training, they're going to be good to go there. Not
training has to happen all the time.
and by the way, eventually we do have a great
Jiu Jitsu, Wrestling Boxing. Muay Thai based combative system, in the SEAL Teams.
Which is you also utilize your weapons. You utilize your gear but it's based in these things that work and it takes time to get good at no one says, oh you've been through one week course. You can handle yourself now because we know that that's not true.
So it comes down to training and there's a book. Are there a bunch of other factors a bunch of other things that we can address? Yes, there absolutely are. There are a bunch of other things to talk about.
But like I said, this is something that I know and something that I understand training people for stressful, Dynamic, dangerous situations, and that's what we need to do with our law enforcement. We need to train them properly.
Because we owe it. We owe it to them, we owe it to our police and law enforcement to train them properly. We owe it to the law-abiding citizens of this country.
And of course, we owe it to the innocent children.
Better. Just trying to get there freaking education in school.
So, that's my initial take on this scenario.
Again, I talked about some of the other factors with Dale, Cooper.
On our unraveling podcast.
But I want to dress this here and try and get this word out.
With that Equity.
Charles
Yes, you are.
You know how, like let him were some times when these things happen, you hear of like all these Solutions, right? Whether it be guards, in schools, gun control laws, like, you know, everyone has their their take. What do you think? Are some of the solutions that
Off the top of your head that are not practical or doable or probably wouldn't be effective that you've heard. There's there's, there's a whole slew of things going on and there's many facets that lead to this.
Situation as far as I don't really think too much about. Hey, what wouldn't work? And one of the reasons why I wanted to talk about this is this is this is what I know will help in a situation like this. If you train people properly, they'll be able to handle these situations. If you could snap your fingers and have all the schools, you know, be totally safe. Of course, of course, we'll take that all day long. We don't get to operate in fantasy world. There's crazy. Mentally Disturbed people out.
and if you haven't listened to that podcast, I did with Darryl, one of the most shocking statistics that come out came out from, it was in 1955 there were
340
Inpatient beds for every 100,000 people in America that needed mental health, help 340 beds forever. Every 100,000 citizens.
Those beds were dedicated for mental health.
Wait, they had that many available available, yep. Just towed, not necessarily taking up just available. You're so out of every 100,000 people. There's 370 inpatient mental health beds available in his mental health facilities, right? Yeah.
In 2007, there was 17.
Yeah, 17. So that's a 95% reduction in the amount of available mental health facilities for people that need help.
And by the way, during this time, we've added all kinds of other crazy things into the mix.
with drugs legal drugs, illegal drugs, prescription drugs, all kinds of media violence, whether it's social media, whether it's violent movies, whether it's violent, video games, all that's added into the mix,
the ssris, the the isolation of of being on social media in the first place, the breakdown of the family structure. Like all these things are happening. You throw those, all those things into the mix and then you have less mental health
available.
That's that's where you end up. It's one of the things that you end up. So I don't know if that necessarily answered your question about, what would not help? I try and look at what can we actually do immediately to try and start getting people in a better situation getting getting these things freaking moving in the right direction? Yeah, yeah, I was thinking um, because I remember you said something about. Like you're an advocate of like having an armed guard at the school, right? We're there.
Retired military or this was a while ago and then I remember hearing the option of training. Teachers are arming the teachers, that's what it was. Yep. Do. So how do you feel about arming
teachers?
It's the same thing you need to train teachers? Yeah, are you going to train the teachers because you got to train the teachers, which you can you train the teachers? Yes, you can. You can train some of them, some of that want to get trained, you know, the arm guard thing. My mom was a school principal and, and then she was a superintendent of schools. And I remember when these school shootings started happening, I was immediately like, hey, you should put there should be two dudes sitting in a closet
You know, with video cameras, closed-circuit television, cameras, they're watching what's going on. And if anything ever happens to come out and kill bad guy,
I wish I would have been super vocal about it because some of these things would have been stopped a lot quicker.
And then, like I said, there's some people that say well you know what kind of world are we living in to when we need to let me rephrase that because I'm so I'm using a horrible voice. Some people say, hey what kind of world are we living in where we have to put armed guards in a school? I'll tell you the world that we created the world that we created. You need to have armed guards in school because we're we've got some serious issues, some serious cultural and societal issues. That makes a
Eighteen-year-old kid, want to get a machine gun and go into a freaking school and start killing kids.
That's what's, that's why. So if you say to me, what kind of a world are we living in where we need to put armed guards in schools, I will say the United States of America. Do I like it? Do I like the fact that we have to do that? No. Do I like the fact that I got a
You know, wear a seatbelt. When I drive a car because I might crash, I don't really like it but I'm going
to do it.
I remember I was in high school, there was security there. They didn't have, they weren't armed that I knew of, but I feel like granted, this is high school. So Elementary School's little bit different
and
I'm thinking back if they were armed, I don't think that would have made that much of a difference. If you I mean if there were like prison guards like you know ordering actually these security guards are pretty mean to to everybody, then we're like hosts, you know, I
That where they should be nice, huh? Like almost like nice teachers, almost kind of a thing like chaperones you know, sometimes teachers get like yard Duty. That's what they call it. When a school where they go out and monitor is a goal Folsom, don't know, it's like, well I'm tired, I get so Elementary School teachers ivr Duty, right? Certain ones and basically they just go outside and recess and just make sure no one acts up or whatever you normally. Yeah, so what you're talking about is people that are people that are employed at the school to keep
the students in check. Yes, it is a difference between someone that's cool to keep the students in check and someone that's cool to prevent someone from coming harming the students. Yes, those are two different people you'd be looking for yes, but in high school, when I'm thinking about the security, that's what these and actually there were ladies, two of them and they were their yes for to keep people in check in all capacities. But what I'm saying? Is maybe one or two levels. More advanced will say is instead of two ladies with just
Those, they were retired military or guys with yeah you know with guns not necessarily over you know with Badges and you know, but their presence is kind of known or whatever. It's not intimidating, it's more of like a host, kind of scenario, you know, like a like a someone who's on the kids side kind of a thing more so than someone, you know, with their eagle eyes open for any trouble, you know, that kind of thing, even though that is what they're doing, that's not their presence. That's not like, but it's what it feels like. Yeah, you need to be careful with that you.
If you're going to have someone that's going to be doing security, they should be doing security. Look, can someone be dual rolled sure? But if you're going to put someone on security, like their purpose is security, you don't want them breaking up fights, over potato chips in the schoolyard, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you want them to be focused on what they're supposed to be focused on the good. Is it smart to have people that are dual trained sure but someone has to be if you put someone on security for the purpose of being on security they should be on security. Now like you said and like I said, this doesn't
They need to be walking around with body armor visible, body armor and and and weapon and assault rifle. Like, post it up. They don't need to be like that but they, I mean, they could literally be sitting in a central location in a closet with you, with closed-circuit TVs, and when something like this happens, they know what to do. I remember the arming, the teachers option and I remember kind of talking to some of
Of our friends that are actually actual teachers and it kind of put things into perspective because at first I was like, yeah, that makes sense, you know, it's not like, you know, give them just a little bit of training, whatever. But at least it's one more. Good guy on the field, you know, with you know, who's armed and can protect. But then I thought about it after talking to some of the teachers, you think about it, like who wants to become a teacher and then now becoming a teacher becomes a whole different thing. Like right now, it's like, I want each, I want to teach these young minds, you know, to get to the next level in
And all this, like, basically all the things that people pursue being teachers, yeah, over it shifts to something completely different. Yeah, that that being said, I bet if there was an option where if you're a school teacher you can go to a four-week summer course on, you know, active shooter response and then inside of a school with 30 teachers, there's three people have been in this course. I think we're I think I'm feeling good about that. Yeah, yeah and then you were refresher course every summer.
Omer. And that, you know what I'm saying? Like that you got. You got to train people.
You have to train people properly, but people are willing to train because it's beneficial in a multitude of different ways. Yeah, that's interesting. I never thought about that where it's like, the kind of the optional training or whatever, because I was just thinking of it in terms of like, hey, because this is how they they'd say, you know, they don't go into depth or nothing. They're just like, yeah, I'm the teachers, like, all the teachers they got guns. Yeah. So so to your earlier question is, like, what's a solution that won't work? The problem with that? Is the the problem with that is the details of any
Solution, you take any one of these Solutions and their certain details that would make it better. And some details if you don't include them, are going to make it a disaster like you just throw weapons into every classroom with random people that haven't been trained. You you that's that's going to be a problem, right? Because you got teachers that are that are that might go crazy, right? There's all kinds of things going on. So you take any of these Solutions and you take it to a certain extent, I mean some of the, some of the ways of looking at things can be.
Be so different depending on who you are that like what's the term? They use reasonable gun control, reasonable gun, control means completely different things to different people depending on who you are and what your background is. And so to just say, hey we should have reasonable gun control. Like I said, that means completely different things depending on who you're talking to. Yeah, so
That's why for this for this I just want to talk about. Hey here's something I do know about and here's a pragmatic solution that will help and it should be it should be implemented rather to let you hook is there. There's guys and you know, this is going to come as no surprise but when you put into perspective where there are people who at 6 years old, they got their first gun six. Yeah, yeah. Then same country saying State, a lot of time, maybe
Same neighborhood. They're people who've never shot a gun ever in their life, and they're like, 60 years old. Yeah. So you figure someone who's never shot a gun, never handled the gun or whatever. The idea of a gun potentially can be like, that is just a death tool. That is just an object of death, so they just don't know, you know, and then versus the guy who got their gun at six and guns are all around the house and cases and the truck and you know, all the stuff where it's like, no, that's not it.
Thing. A death is just a tool. Just like a saw a hammer or something like that, where, you know how? You know, obviously people say this all the time, where it's like, hey, you know, if someone kills someone with a hammer you don't Outlaw hammers. It's like they literally feel guns are the same exact in the same exact category seem saying, but then the guy the person who's never shot a gun, how he's going to feel. His like know a hammer is to hit nails, if someone gets all crazy and start taking heads with it, that's different. Guns are made to shoot people kind of a thing that's their, their attitude, you know, or their how they feel about it. So,
Yeah, then okay. Now, okay, now we need laws now, right? For the guns, but these laws apply to everybody, the six year old guy, or the gut is gun at six. And also, the guy who's never shot a gun ever in his life. These laws have to apply to both people. So it's hard to land those laws, you know, effectively where everyone's going to like them. Yeah, very hard. And what makes it even harder is that the two sides don't talk to each other in a reasonable way to try and figure out what would be a reasonable solution. Yeah, man in. So
There. I am using the reasonable gun laws myself using that done ambiguous term. Yeah, it's true. Well, and then yeah because you kind of it makes sense on a certain level even though it's still not effective. Right? Where let's say I got a gun, my first gun at six, you know, 22 rifle versions, frickin awesome. I grow up all kinds of guns, right? I have all kinds of guns of shot. My kids shoot guns. All this stuff. And then you have someone a whole family of people who live next door, whatever across the street. And they've never
Got a gun ever in their life and they're scared of them so now they're like, hey, you know, there will just be highly intimidated or something like that.
So
they come about, they're more like, oh my gosh, like a gun or whatever. And then the person who's used to guns, are like how you're kind of being dumped. Your kind of being unreasonable right now, like this gun, you have to pull the trigger. Shoot, you know, point out something pull the trigger for it to shoot, whatever. It doesn't just automatically kill people, right? So, the your dumb for being scared about that, kind of stuff. The, it's reasonable that.
That that would that feeling would kind of take place. You see I'm saying and then you have the opposite feeling where it's like, oh, you guys are gun nuts. Like you have, like, you have 50 guns, 50. I've never shot a gun in my life. I'm scared of guns, and you have 50 of them.
Is it unreasonable for me to be uncomfortable if I'm like that seems pretty normal is what I'm saying. So I'm saying like that conflict makes sense to me. Yeah, there's just a total disconnect. Yeah. Ineffective ineffective for solving problems but it's you can kind of see how do you can, you can see how the disconnect occurs but it's a disconnect and the problem with the disconnect occurs when you don't make any attempts to connect. And I just look at you and say, oh, you are a good
Nut. And you're crazy. Yeah. And you know I it just it just falls apart and you look at me thinking, oh you're a person that wants to take all my guns away, you know, and so, I'm just not talking to you. Yes, you're some chicken some you know incapable chicken trying to take away all, you know my guns
yeah disconnect
with that. If you want to support this,
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Valuable training in every single way, like you get someone untrained in a situation doesn't even matter the situation. I don't care if it's swimming in the pool.
Okay, so if someone jumps in the pool falls in the pool, they can't swim or they can't swim very well at all. Now, there it's dangerous for them. Now, you get a normal person who just knows how to swim. Try to go jump in there and save them. They could get drunk. They could both die now. Now you get one person trained. Probably Gonna Save everybody. Yeah, exactly, right.
For men, you can stick the most arbitrary thing seemingly and you train someone you're better off. Yeah, it's weird. How people like the funny thing is start with leadership because you know I teach leadership and people think that they should already know how to lead. And so then you start breaking it down for me like oh damn, I don't know what I'm doing, fighting people think they just know how to fight. Oh, don't punch him. When I start seeing red better look out know, it's like, oh, you roll with someone that's, you know, Jiu-Jitsu player or
Boxer. But you go square off with someone. If you've never box before you squared off with a boxer, he's not panicking at all. Bro, you're adorable. You're done Muay Thai. You get one. Kick one kick. You don't train more time. You get kicked in the leg one time. Yeah there's a decent chance. You're done fighting. Yes, sir. Well from a leg kick. Yes sir! There's a decent chance. You call it right there. You're like, all right. This ain't happenin. Yeah.
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Anything that you do you, if you want to be good at something, you know? The the the thing I always use his guitar, there's no more reason that you would be able to fight or lead without training. Then you would be able to play a guitar without training. Yeah. It doesn't eat. You just can't, you can't win, you know, like someone that played basketball will beat someone that didn't play basketball 100% of the time? Yeah, the basketball one I think is really good because when you see someone playing basketball, you be like, yeah.
You just take that ball, you can't hold it, your little, whatever pounce it and you put in that hoop, like I know what to do now, when you go to a do it, you're like Brad. You can't even do it again. Like if someone's trying to do it too with you or against you or whatever, but you can't even do it. Yeah, so Matt so imagine getting a gun you know what to do with it but you think you know what to do with it? You know think you're just going to shoot or you think that there's going to be a dynamic situation and an active shooter and you think you're going to know what to do or you think the people are going to be panicking and you think you're not going to be panic?
Uh yeah, you have to train and everything that you do think about, even you who's kind of trained in a lot of things, think about how many things like the normal person is trained in pretty much nothing. Yeah, not much. It's like, if you have highly like if you're highly trained into things, you're like a jack-of-all-trades, almost kind of a thing think about it, but we're not trained in anything, huh? Well, I am. Well, you are she'll think about, like, of all.
Things to be trained in, and I'm not saying expert. I'm just saying trained and you have like good usable training. What for things? Five, maybe, yeah, at the most even I got some good stuff to train in training. Yeah, get yourself. Some choco fueled rocket fuel.com.
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There's evil in the world.
Evil that we cannot understand.
Evil that will attack a school house filled with children evil that will kill innocent children and kill School teachers.
And we certainly need to mourn that loss.
But we also need to remember.
That evil is still out there.
And we need to do what we can to be prepared for the next time it rears its ugly head.
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