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And talking to him today with the first of all he was incredibly intense in this interview. So intense like he was a different human being like we did a podcast about 10 months ago. And then we did this one and he's a different human being now. I mean he is ready to go. He is Mike Tyson.
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So friend of mine
giant boxing fan, he sends me this text message. He goes dude. Check this shit out. And it's you training with high fail Cordero. And I remember looking at it
going. Oh shit. What
happened? What happened? Because the last time you were in here you were talking about how you didn't want to work out. Yeah because it would ignite the ego.
Hey, let's talk about that too. So, um, I was discussing my wife something about me being away. You know, we have to
Sometimes when I complain to your wife when you wouldn't take care of her hands around perspective and she said well, why don't you just get on the treadmill for 15 minutes a day? That's how I ask you to just 15 minutes. So it went from 15 minutes a day to two hours a day
and that's what you were worried
about. Yeah exactly. That was complaining about my weight. And so
I don't know. I guess I tried on some clothing it was disastrous. And so I was worried about my weight and she told me the 15-minute revenue and two hours a day and I just started losing weight. And then I'm somebody call my brother-in-law said hey Mike. I know you're not gonna win. But somebody said would you fight this guy for like 40 million 30 million, but I've had my good stuff. Whoa. I said, oh there's nothing like me to fight.
If it one minute and because then it's Bob Sapp, it's okay. And so I'm saying to myself why I know Bob and then who said I know Bob is big and strong and say hello one minute. How would they like me to fight him? Can I fight him on in the markets of Queensberry rules? And he said well minute Mike. He actually got the guy said yes. I said, I'll fight them right and so Bob
Sapp was the first one that was brought up. Yeah don't want some people don't know Bob Sapp. Bob Sapp was a giant fighter and pride at one time. He's like
375 pounds was fighting all the kickboxers solid muscle with abs
if incredible right and it went from him to somebody else another Garden in the maidan this guy and then somehow know some other Fighters van than it went from who else was another heavyweight champ. We just a bunch of guys out there and fight and they say no it came down to Roy that's how to do it and I'm like, I don't know what the hell's going on and then he signed the contract. I found the contact next thing, you know, I'm in.
The gym again and this disaster is I'm trying to get my share our pain in my damn really do this shit. You know, you you would probably know because if you getting in shape and getting condition the two different animals, they don't even believe they belong in the same workout, but the vision of working
out like getting in shape is just being kind of
fit Yes again putting on he should give me shape the able to fit your clothes. Right? Right, you know that's getting in shape being
Maybe you have to fit your clothes be in the condition is being able to come outside of your soul. Oh, yeah, you can't do that automatically you're talking about being in fighting condition. Yeah. Yeah,
that's a rare State and you can't keep it for very
long. No, it is just people
need to understand that right the
emotional state that prepare for that is the old
womb mind-boggling. Well, that's what I was seeing when I was seeing you hit the pads like this isn't just working out there was something going
Hang on man when you were working out with Cordero and you will rip into the body and throwing those hooks. I was like this is a man is preparing to go to combat. This is not normal. Get ready to work out shit. That's why when I saw that video I was
like, oh my video. Yeah, I did that video and I was in bed for a week that was 30 seconds and I was in bed for a week and it's not funny because made me realize that this is this is this is big deer shit. Okay, boy, Chef Big Boy should you without is right there? That wasn't really
That's in the gym. That's now the thing is though now, that's now that's that's going for, you know, five and six rounds. That's now but I'm talking about before that 30 seconds the first time I ever did it. I caught what's this shit you come you can well sciatica. Yeah, everything came and everything all that shit. They came back to make me quit boxing all the pain started coming back.
So when you started training again, did you start doing it slowly after that
dream really slowly and then I started
I'm
dabbing in an alternative stuff, like what kind of stuff cryotherapy type shit cryo stem
cell research and therapy and some other interesting stuff that I use don't know and it's just beautiful stuff like what kind of stuff I don't know hyperbaric chamber than
just everything everything everything to help you recover.
It's really
interesting. It is at well I saw you when you
Then today I was like God. Damn. You look good. You look good. Dude, like your muscles look good. You look like your vascular you look
fit and I found.
And I'm starting to feel fit. That's what's interesting. So I know what they doing stuff. Like I think I'm in shaping them and then next thing you know, you think you and shape and then you start having like I'm Raphael start throwing punches at me. That's like a fight and I can't punch back when I got a void and then two rounds go by and he said well, I'm not in shape. I meant in the bag six rounds. I'm doing the three five round six and I'm jumping rope and then I do to Rather somebody really is a whole different psychological preparation and whoo
How much time has gone since you first started exercising like when did it's when did it start?
So here we are with like August 23rd or something like that.
22nd right. When did when did it start
it had this done?
Something like April
April so want something like in the middle of the lockdown? Yeah, so you just just started just training and now here you are five months later four months later.
How far away do you think you are to being in like fighting shape?
Oh fighting shape when the Time come back by November 28th. Yeah. That's when you be ready. Exactly.
Now. Why did you guys decide to move you were supposed to be in September where
I was born. I believed was a viewing situation at the proper timing for more people for audiences. Yeah.
It's so exciting
soon the often because I'm it's going to be
Me and everyone else that's involved arrows tonight one Innovation that we got to start off the Legends only league and that's going to be really breathtaking specially starting off of me and Roy. Yeah, and I'm looking forward to that because I have are athletes from every General. It's a ray of everybody who was who believe the someone they all going to come back in all fields. And this is going to be something that mean Eros intervention created together.
Other and I think this is going to be pretty
awesome. So Legends only League will be like all sports baseball basketball
tennis. Yeah, I think Madness and crazy like we did with Billy Gene the king did have somebody I say one of the two meanest of my play Mac and rolling that kind of stuff right exhibitions and stuff like that a somebody like a Manowar can play one-on-one with
whoever I haven't seen somebody. Yeah. I mean man of
Peace man towards the horse.
Metta World Peace ya
know it's a amazing idea. But particularly for you, like seeing you hit the bag again and seeing you hit the pads and get excited about it was very very interesting to me because I knew that you had that thing in your head where you did want to ignite your ego and then you had this quote that the gods of War reignited your ego. I've read that I got so excited.
Well, that's the excuse our can use. Yeah really great excuse that I can use.
But it's
it was a great quote. It made me excited and I when I'm when I'm seeing you training, I mean, you know, so some people that you know, everybody has opinions when something like this happens when a man is 53 now you 54. Yeah 54 and decides to fight again. It's fit as you look like why not? Why not? Why not you could do whatever you want. Why can't me if you can go bungee jumping and ride a bowl. Listen, um,
Impossible is nothing that somebody that tries everything that someone said was impossible has
happened. Yeah it certainly well listen in 2020 with all the ways of recovering all the things we know our
limitations and create impossible. Well,
it's different now limitations are different now factly. So when you like that video when you are ripping the pads and working out with half El Cordero how many like how long into that was that like, how quickly did you get your speed back? Was it right?
Right away. This is revamp the first day. That was your first
day. Now that first thing let's try this and that was my first day. Wow. And after that day, I was in the bed. I had to come get the guy to do the fucking shots. Electrocute me to get them back. I have to say I didn't I couldn't walk I was crying for my wife and I was like
Wow and I don't
know why after that I should have said this is over. I'm not going to do it but that ego stuff like, come on. Please did it does it do you
feel like you felt in the
Nice, like when I mean in terms of your mind like the enthusiasm about
this that do and do they have them yet. Sometimes I feel like I say, this is bullshit. I can't be feeling this good, you know, and then
And I'm I don't know. I think I really am I'm feeling good. I said this bag multiple another bag is bigger bag 200 pounds. I said, well this bag wouldn't be moving like that. So I'm not hitting their kind of decently, you know? No you look good this look. This is not like
I've seen guys come back and you see him working on it look sad and it doesn't look what's exciting about you coming back is how good you look training? Why
not in the end of an age but being a real fighter, this is what you know, you see so many people
In the gym matter of fact, I bought people in the gym that kick my ass every day, but then know what's different when you get him in the ring and yeah light on them and people eating popcorn and drinking beer and they freaked out so that the pressure just your Mike Tyson exact you understand that.
Yeah. I know if anybody knows how to deal with that pressure, it's you
absolutely but you know you if good, but if you don't have to doubt right I have a lot of
of trouble right? You have to have that doubt right?
You have to have a little bit of that now is it this is a this new phase of your life where all the sudden you reignited and you want to compete again. This has got to be fun.
It is fun. Yeah. It is fun. I do say is fun, but it's still
Is that per Henson stuff? Ya know that princess but it's still like you said this is fun,
but it seems so exciting like to watch you train and get ready. It's like to me I'm like fuck. Yeah, like what do you want a man to do? What do you want me to do? Just sit around do nothing. Just wait go for walks do whatever the fuck you want. And if you could still do this the way you're doing it. Why
not?
Hey, um, I don't understand it either but I want to do it. I don't understand. I just want to do it in.
I feel like I was born to do this stuff
Well, you certainly were at one point in time of your life. But you had moved on to a different chapter of your life. You would completely stop doing that you were doing the Tyson Ranch thing smoking a lot of weed. He's stopped smoking weed
totally much. Yeah, pretty much stopped. It's going to stop.
Wow. Wow, that's that's a big change.
But when you get away something like this is all about change, you know you listen you can't continue being a comedian. If you're not sharpening your psych eval be even when
Doing it right here you practicing your comedian act, you know, you have to continue to practice the more you practice it and save you practice it every four year. You'll be better if you only practice it for a month. So the more you do it the better. You become do you
feel like that now in this comeback that like you or only sort of scratching your potential because like you're just getting back into shape again a year from now, you'll be even better shape and you'll be more conditioned to do what you want to do like you
You're in as well. Yeah, you're in this rebuilding stage now and now that's
exciting. Yeah, when you go to your when you go to your doctor, the people who have this alternative stuff and you see the development you seal the healing process needs to come on. Tommy - why did it why is this happening to me? Why not? Leave it white guy like me who just got off drugs. We just gave up his life and don't care about nothing hit. This is happening to him. You know, since I married my wife all this good stuff started happening nothing.
What is this stuff all about whatever else it's all about. It's good. I'm like totally great take the money. Yeah,
that's what I said. I said take my money. I want to watch it. We'll see you
and it's not about money because the money is going to be in charity and I'm going to and it's just about doing something good and that from that perspective that could be Ice Mike feeling like I'm doing something good for somebody more than myself.
That's a beautiful part of it. Yeah that is going to go to charity but it's also an exciting matchup and I'm watching Roy work out to in Roy looks
fantastic.
Waiting on always look fantastic few hundred pounds of way. He's gonna look good. He's definitely looks good when he's at this right Jones jr. I mean,
that's one of the things that makes this fight. So exciting is that you know, Roy is like yourself one of the all-time greats and still looks physically fantastic like see moving around hitting the
pads and speed looks great. You can train with anybody looking for do that.
Right? Well, he always had such an unusual style, you know with very few Jabs. We throw left hooks instead of Jabs. You know, Monroy always had
Like one of the strangest Styles in all the
boxes of the strain but it was very effective
super effective. Yeah effect just incredibly hard to prepare for to because try to find someone
who knowing them do that. Very good. No one
can emulate him in the gym. Now when you decided on a fight in decided upon what were the were there other I heard that someone had offered you Shannon the cannon Briggs for bare-knuckle
boxing. No. No, it was just some Tyson the Tyson Fury with but fat
Tyson Fury and quite other guys, but certain things just happened and it didn't happen and then I'm Holyfield. It was Shannon with some other guys from MMA and then we turned out to be the right guy. I guess we did a survey and we popped up the winner. Well, certainly a gentle giant named belief in wonder
that yeah. Yeah Holyfield be a great one too, but it's just having a guy like that that has that big name. That is also an all-time great and that also
Wants to do it too and to get the public excited. I mean, I think it's a perfect fight to get the public exactly. So do you think that once you fight Roy that that'll be it or do you think this is just going to be the beginning of this new chapter in your
life? I believe this is just going to be the beginning and whatever happens happens. Like this is pretty interesting being on here talking to you and knowing that the extended the wavelength of people are going to hear this stuff is pretty interesting because this is now this is true. It's really
going to no longer in my head and I'm stroking it. It's real. It's like wow. Yeah, it's wow.
I got yeah, I can't wait man. I want to be there. I want to see it.
Hey down the street here. I'll come back and I did now. I forgot the name of the dignity Center.
That's what's going to be. Yeah. Yeah. And is it going to be an audience? It can be an audience yet right
believe on the inside believe only like, I don't know what what what
am I say Entourage? Right it's called on people. So yeah. Yeah family fight group and this is going to be a trap.
I believe so. Yeah.
So, how did you arrive on 8 rounds? Hey listen?
Beat the hell out of me. I wanted to the exhibition. I want to help the people after a while. I got to eat fuck around by now. I'm getting the condition and we're gonna do this stuff.
Well, it rounds gives you enough time to work
gives people enough time to get excited about
it. When you think about an eighth round fight. Do you feel seem see yourself moving into 10 rounds and 12 rounds in the
future and how we don't know what the future holds but we looking forward to you having fun and doing it for some purpose reason because
Talking about you literally fighting for the title
again. Hey, I'm not interested in I'm as interested in fighting for the title of giving okay.
Okay, so just doing this for good so exciting for you, but also generates a lot of positivity exactly. Yeah. I love that
and it's so cleaning for some reason because you're giving away charity that you're doing something good doing it for myself. I get this doesn't do it for me no more, right that makes sense do it.
Yeah, that makes sense. So
both things so you get to excite yourself challenge yourself, but the good is all
going to an excellent. Well, I won't have him on my own getting paid. I don't want to never have that in my mind again. Yeah, I don't want to have oh, I'm getting something for what I'm doing kind of. Yeah you too.
Somebody said and this was kind of hilarious. Someone said, hey, I heard that they're just gonna just mess around and then it they're not going to go for The Knockout I go. Do you know who the fuck you're talking about? I got you talking about Mike Tyson and Roy Jones jr.
Here, do you really believe that the two of the all-time greats once they start throwing hands that it won't get crazy.
Well, of course it is because both of us who we are and we're going to show us him and nobody's going to look stupid and it's just going to be interesting. I think yeah.
Do you have any other people in mind like, do you have a game plan in mind like after Roy or you just thinking only about Roi right now
at this moment anyway, but it's just some interesting people that we have that I'm going to announce
later that there was some talk of you and
Roy way back in the day when Roy fought John Ruiz
won the heavyweight title. Yes.
Yeah. So what would what did you think about that fight back then? I
thought it was really interesting because I couldn't use the money back then. So me and Roy talk. We was in Texas and we went to Houston with the Houston went to Houston. We talked and after we talked we just went out and chilled out but it was interesting never happened found the what happened to me something was to happen to me and it just didn't happen. That's one of those things right? There's always all
these.
Central fights that don't quite line up. Do you have other fights in your head that like, we're potential fights that didn't line up that you wish
did.
No happen for the reason is happening. Now.
I'm excited about this fight. I'm excited about this fight stylistically to because I always I always liked that fight. Stylistically I was so it's so interesting, you know, because you were just this Unstoppable force and Roy was so fast and so
slick how yeah, I mean it's prepared to do a lot of running and chasing. Yeah, you know, yeah, that was that was very difficult to get in condition for right now. Take this little guy.
So how many days a week are you training now?
Every day every day. You have the Sunday's office every
day. And what what is a typical day for Mike Tyson right now?
All right. Did they start soon as it's daylight from 5:30 out through the Four Mile Run come back. What am I doing? When I come back? I'm back. I'm in the shower from the shower. I go downstairs and let the birds out fly. The birds come back in.
May do some have a machine with you do the twist after that and I'll do that probably 200 times on both sides and I might grab a bike. You know, I may have some I'm eating me for this. I may have some eggs instead of not eating eggs. You were a
vegan for a while, right? How long will you be gone for pretty rough couple of years for a couple years and five years. When did it stop when you stop?
Doing that.
I don't know not too long ago. So did you stop because of the
training or did you stop before
that? Yeah, this stop reading because of the training it was yeah because of what I wanted my body to look like and the student I wanted to possess.
So you started eating meat red meat
everything. No Reverend my only elk and bison. Oh
read me. That's not me. Yeah. Okay wild stuff you eating elk and by to I want to give you some of my
own it really would you please please?
Under breath kill it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, they do that. I'll give you some from that elk right there. That would be so awesome. Yeah, I'll be so I have three
commercial freezers in the
back. I would love that. I would love that. Yeah, when I look at flight on look at Food know like I used to look at it. I look at it for what it's for. Yeah, if it wasn't for
to take care of the body exactly. Well, that's the
best mean. I realized that this you know things that are good for other people like the kale and vegetables and all this stuff blueberries.
Barry and then for me, it's really poisonous. It's not that stuff. However with yeah, that's that's not good for my blood type in my health conditions and all that stuff.
Kale all that's okay. He'll kill
me get away. Yeah, just kill me. Well, no actually Dead. Really? Yeah for me. I'm kill is talking to my blood and everything my so when you are a vegan, what were you eating? Oh man nothing and then my wife called me the miserable vegans that happen.
You made them. What you doing, Mike just being miserable now. I think it comes down to
when
And it's interesting that I've done it when I was a cuz I thought I was sometimes just overdo it sometimes like sometimes I go for religious fast for 30 days. I might overdo it sometimes might not eat for the whole day instead of yes for the daytime not right and he then I might for a couple days just naughty period don't you think that but that's just your
Championship mentality, right? Like you're always pushing yourself even when it comes to something like
fasting. Okay, let's push it had something to do with suffering self. Yeah. I don't know what it is. I can't put my
Amazon is about how much how long can I suffer more than this person that person I could this person do what I
did. Right? Right, right. I remember you saying that to about training that you would get up in the morning and train because you wanted an edge you want to know that you were training while they were asleep. Factly. Yeah. I remember thinking that was back when I was doing martial arts. I remember reading that Mike. I want to do that to a copy a lot of
shit. You did. Well, you always have to have in this and even if it's not Sue so you have to have and that's what delusion comes in because
because delusion is only delusional when you don't accomplish the goal of making a delusions of reality, right? That's what it's delusional right you you're just
enforcing your
mindset. Oh, yeah them to allow those delusions to be the reality of your assessment. Now when you're doing this
and you're getting up in the morning and running, this is like do you feel like you felt in the old days do um and I don't mean physically, I mean the mind like you're preparing for war again.
do you do does this does this like reignite those old thoughts the way you were when you were the champ the way you were when you're on your way to the title like this is
a this is a whole new way of life now with really interesting that sometimes
Periodic is not real but sometimes I struggle with the fact of why the possibility I can really hurt somebody like you don't want to
hurt them.
What do you mean we struggle to struggle with the possibility that you could hurt
them?
That is sometimes.
It's orgasmic sometimes
like some fights like particular like Tyrell Biggs are someone that you had problems with someone that you you had animosity towards so when you finally get your hands on them. Hey,
what does it means when fighting gets you get you wrecked? What does that mean? It's good question.
Means you're getting excited. Yeah, so that that's going through your mind right now.
Well, that's how I get when I was a kid and I you know, sometimes if I get the twinkle the twinkle, yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying is like you reached
a state as a human being as a champion as a ferocious fighter you reached a state of ability and of accomplishment that very few humans will ever ever touch and feel that's why I'm asking you when you running when you're hitting the bag
When that hearts beating again and that you know, who you are. You're Mike motherfucking Tyson. So when you're doing all this shit again, you're still Mike Tyson those thoughts. I've got to be burning inside you again. It's got to be pretty wild.
I don't know. It's
It's wild but I believe is is rightfully so to be that way and I just know how to I don't think AI math advice on how to deal with it. I don't let it overwhelm me know what of course not
but saying that gets you orgasmic. That's a strange thing to say.
Well, that's just what I want. I want to find out who you really bright and I thought, you know, I'm getting pretty serious.
No, I know. I know you're being serious, but mean
No one will understand that other than you like that's these your mindset like no one want but I think that like all the things we're talking about before the way you drive yourself the way you push yourself the way you put yourself in that frame of mind. No one's going to understand that other than you so No One's Gonna understand you get an erection from thinking about hurting someone more than you. Will
you don't have to be fear-based is somewhere
fear-based.
Maybe or maybe just maybe not fear-based but maybe embracing the fact that you're going to go into this with everything that you have the chaos of it all and the ultimate goal is to hurt somebody the ultimate goal is to be extremely successful the way you can be extremely successful. The thing you do great is to crush people. So to have that Encompass everything
this fighting is only thing I don't actually I love
Are you still asking for help for that?
You don't ask him for help for fighting because you think you got it?
No, I just don't think I don't think you should ask. I just don't want to be involved with that kind of mindset in a long so I know you know people do they go to I just don't I just don't because it's just I don't like the way I think and I don't want God to be a no involved with the way I think at that time.
Well, this is what's so interesting to me about you fighting again because of the conversation that we had the last time you were here that you didn't want.
Reignite your ego clearly your egos blazing right now when you're ready to go.
Well, maybe because I'm I'm an addict a 4matic and I'm on a narcotic rain two cameras on me. Yeah, the big narcotic and maybe write that had something to do with it as well. But I like to think it's under control until the night of the event - yeah the night of the
event. So it's the the addiction will get purged with the with the performance.
Yeah, that's why I'm you know, I was doing if you don't mind me to interrupt for a second. I was the book that talks to you what they called audiobook and it was called the gene key. Okay, this book in the book with explaining about why that we are who we are in that perspective that most of the people like you and myself and people people yes in general who is not at that level even anyone to have a creative mind is victimized to depression.
Mmm in the reason is because when that created when that moment that whatever it is that causes that creativity is not fit the proper information that is successful and that it exists accepted and whatever space of the brain and the mind that once it wants to be accepted. It is not accepted it crumbles. Hmm. Does that make sense?
Well, I feel like with someone like you the highs that you reach in competing.
The high as you reach in fighting are so high that it's probably very difficult to it's probably very difficult to just exist outside of that and I know you love pot for that reason because it calms you down and mellowed you out and chilled you
out. Absolutely. It made me like myself. Mmm. Do you understand that? I do it. Yes me like my fam it gives you forgiveness to yourself. Yeah, I agree with that and we thought about that never wanted to be forgiven much because that's really powerful stuff.
Yeah, after that forgiveness is really fun to forgive
yourself. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to forgive other people. Sometimes it's harder to forgive yourself. Yes, and marijuana makes you feel like it makes me more compassionate makes me more friendly makes me want to hug people consume more of a sense of
community actually make me like people who I believe did something wrong to me. Yeah, okay.
Yeah, but God the the fighting thing
that that defeat that that experience is it's a different experience and it's it's it's got to be so hard for a world championship fighter of your caliber to exist with like regular normal boring life, you know, when you're training and you're wrapping yourself up for a big fight and then you have that big fight and you you know, you knock out Spinks in front of the whole world.
Old and you're walking around the ring and you're on the cover of every magazine that the highs of that the accomplishment the training and then the competing itself is the experience is so alien to most people that when you walk around with regular folks in regular life, it's got to be it's got to be hard to
exist. No, it's not. It's just that you have to know who you can be at certain times in your life. No one knows who they are because if you know if you knew who you were right now, you'd be really Limited.
you know because life is about change you will be towed them five years from now you'd be a different person won't be this person something that we're gonna have to have developed some kind of emotional intelligence and just learn to grow as time goes on grasp was ever going on and just form with it as a change you change with it because it's very difficult when times change to change with the times right and you have to be conscious of that and the times is not the people around you the time is the development of
I'm you have left in this planet that you have to develop who you are
how difficult is it to make that change though to become a different person other than a world championship fighter. Like when you decided to stop was it difficult with time will make you that person time. We'll get
time will make you that person. What is time? I don't know
right but time is also made you that person again now though now now it's reignited now new time has come and now your training
again exactly, but I think this is
done mostly for my health for my immortality more than anything subconsciously. I think that's what the reason why I did it just to get healthy Guild and this stuff goes on the nest and then I meet a document said hey, you know, you should do this and then you should try I'm stem cell Mike you never try steps, but this is what really got me interested in this stuff. I thought I interviewed which I like to do you as well on my podcast if you
You license to do is your contact with that. So yeah for sure who's so I had the opportunity to talk to Ken Shamrock. Okay, and so he came in I looked at him. I said fuck he look and Christ. What the fuck? Hey, what are you doing right now? Why you look
like that? How's that happened?
They said it was in Colombia nice to wear and give me the I'm going tomorrow, right? But I had some people nearby that happened to be introduced to and they were all know they're on the top off.
I never
really thought that bio accelerator place down in Colombia. Is that what it is? I didn't go there. Is that where Henry cejudo
went. I have no idea who went out like you leave that I was in Colombia and I met some other people who were yes on top of the gate on their game with this anti-aging all this stuff going on with this alternative stuff also, and so, um, I met these people and it was just amazing stuff.
So you're able to Now train all these days a
You you have like how many months in now you your solid since April? Yeah, and you attribute that mostly to all these different alternative methods of
he absolutely especially the gentleman that we call his name is Brad row. We call him the mechanic the electrician at it then he and he works through.
Current forces and that will Electro muscular stimulation is totally different than that family, but just totally Superior than that. That's just so Antiquated compared to this stuff, you know,
so you see we're talking about your ability to you run in the morning. And now what's the afternoons like what are you doing in the afternoon? I'm that's what I'm
training and one o'clock him in the gym. I'm doing the training to 30. I'm probably talking on the phone and
Flipping some deal making arrangements probably to do other show the commercial some ads and yes says I'm sure yeah been this stuff and then
how did you get hooked up with half El Cordero? Because for folks who don't know he's legendary trainer and MMA. He's from Shoot the box and Brazil. He was one of the top guys back when shoot the box was the number one MMA camp in Brazil were Anderson Silva and Wanderlei
Silva this out later. But this is how this happened the two of us met.
I said hey, you know, I liked it the minute you think you think I hit the mess with somebody think you got somebody trying to get the most out of their way to go to Freddy's gym, Freddie Roach. Yeah, and then someone said they had Raphael and I fell here let me check about and it was she was just perfect.
Is he near you? Does he
live near here something he lives in Laguna. I'm in Newport. What is another's look gonna close enough.
Yeah.
First that's real close.
So he's there believe in them. Yeah, he's a great trainer. We just came from Vegas instead. We just hanging out, you know have to go someplace and he's just some cool cool before I met him before the endemic but that's what I mean. We came for the pandemic. We were in Vegas to be met by guess at the one of the UFC fights. Hmm, and then I met him over here and I was saying one hit the message and that's how we um,
Got back together. He's a great man like a good person know the reason why I kept nothing to say because he was awesome with the myth because he puts so much peace and love and stuff to their family the yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man, this is images. And yeah, it's just
awesome. Yeah, he's got great energy. He's been loved like in and the MMA world and all by the all the people that he trains with everyone loves Halloween course. Yes, you can't find a person's head bad word about that man. He's awesome. And he's a very good trainer and his he also was a guy
Like I was that style that hot that Chute box style. They were very aggressive and I was like, oh that actually makes sense him and you
together. Yeah, when we do drill to drill the what's going on with no more hitting the mess is no use. Hey hit the mid Pop-Pop is Boomer. We're moving. It was a kaboom. Yeah, heart beating heart beating him hard breathing and we just working at
it. Yeah, I'm watching and I'm saying this is it's interesting because he's doing he's got you doing a lot of like side to side and angles.
Oh, yeah.
I do eight Mac eight rounds on the back and I do four rounds a minute movement. Oh, whoo. Yeah, if that bag were what was that bag? That was that even really work out? Yeah, you know anything with that really even a workout with what was that the warm me up for this? What was that about? You don't even know that existed after you get the four or five
route. So when you go from April when you first start doing it again to now how much better do you feel
less than that?
That was just a joke at the beginning. You know right now. It's really perking up.
It feels like real
training. Yeah, this is taking that deep breath.
Do you feel like you could train as hard as you did back when you were in your Prime?
Well, listen, I'm you have a tape here. Don't you know we could look
at is there a film that
someone got to do you have do you have a film of my tape of me hitting them? It's in my Prime and see me hitting the Miss
now. I bet we do a
better job.
Look at me how many muscle hit the myth in 88 and let me hit the Miss some some last week and you tell
me that listen. I'll tell you you look fucking
fantastic. That's what's interesting about. Wow. That's me as look at this. Yeah, it's just that more under inspecting than that. But now I'm catching
up. Well, that's what it's interesting about. It. It's not like washing an old fighter that has lost it that's just trying to compete. It's like watching an old fighter regain those old skills. Like you look great man. That's what's crazy about
it. I mean it's going to work on this.
And work off and keep working on it and see where this goes.
It's so excited. I love
it. I listen when I announced the that listen, this is Johnny Ryan, the guy works with us and arrows and stuff when we announced the fights. He got we got in 2.5 billion hits.
I'm serious. I believe it I believe it. No, is it gonna be a huge fight? I mean this fight is probably going to be one of the biggest fights of all time in terms of pay-per-view and turns of people buying it and watching it and there
it is an intensive great video terms of helping people as well
of Roy and you training together. There's a compilation
it looks like somebody speed in my goddamn feel my mother-in-law said they speed that up with my wife today Stephen. I think they did not that's that's the electrician.
Oh the the empress
electrical muscular stimulation shit. Yeah. No, it doesn't look like it's sped up. It looks like you still have a speed. That's what it looks like. That's what's so exciting about it with a king's MMA shirt
on. Yeah, I'll be outside.
It's so exciting man. It really is. I'm I'm a hundred percent into this and I can't wait for the fight to go down. It's going to be November 18th now right
believe the 28th 2820 member 20000 the enough time for
Anthony way and Thanksgiving to be home and they'd be able to view it. Yeah for the holidays and just be able to help more people the more people that view it. It's
just so exciting man. They'll you doing weightlifting. Are you doing any swimming? Like what are the
kind of sound that I did was when
that shock commercial, you know, the only thing that's good about that
and we do a little way to get a lot of reps and just doing a lot of so you have a strength and conditioning coach Brad row.
Okay, so he's doing yeah, bro.
Add row, I've no I heard that name
before weightlifting gym chain chain weightlifting Champs and all that stuff and he's just an awesome person. We just kicking
butt and how many days a week are you doing strength and conditioning along with your running? And then
finally the Friday I think we decided to I said, hey, I'm bored. Let's just go Saturday. Wow!
How good does it feel to get back in shape again, man, and to look
great. Hey, it feels awesome. But it's listen. There's nothing easy about it, you know getting in shape is he's not easy. It's just
It's continuous stuff. It's got its consistency there that little big old
brat.
So how the fuck did they talk you into getting in? The ocean with sharks? What was that all
about? Listen? I don't know how they did this. The money wasn't really that great. You know, I'm sorry shock world. It was your guys underpaid me and they had me out there. I was there and
It was really interesting man. Who's really interested. I'm just saying, how do these guys get me in here?
Yeah. I was wondering the same thing
and this whole damn it thought he was doing me. If I don't find out what Mike to fail tank might do a couple of games with these guys and I'm saying thanks a lot. Then he really like Dana really like me I'm saying that really cares about me. He said forget the fire was he my father went to see Michael fuck with some shocks.
Yeah, I would say fighting is probably
safer.
You didn't want you to fight right? It was always shocks.
Why didn't he want you to fight? Did you die I don't doubt it though. I use he is never seen until he's seen in and watch me once you
saw you then he changed his mind. Yeah, once I think one someone sees the dedication that you have the yet that you're actually fit and you're actually moving fast and you actually can compete at a very high level. I you had to realize them. I'm not gonna rush in there like that in the more I got to move
around and do it in a different way because I tried to go in the first time small and it was a disaster so I went in here.
Thanking you to my head moving and things went the way I wanted to call Long
in training was the first time he
sparred.
First time I've bought 15 years first time he
sparred in 15 years and how many months in the training was that from from you started in April? So like when did you start this really boxing stuff boss
boxing stuff is when I did that stuff with the vines and stuff around. Yeah first time
right, but but I believe me first sparring first bar and rounds.
Yeah, it was really weird and stuff. But I realized when I was getting hit boom boom, boom. I can hit a couple of times. I didn't go and what the fuck am I doing at the way I belong here.
It brought it back. Yeah that I belong to you. I got robbed boom. Boom. Boom
when I got rocking. I hope the
ring and boom other woman. I didn't panic. I think I belong here. Wow, that was a long has started moving and start telling my wife about what I belong here. Nice. I never said what the fuck am I doing? This shit is crazy. It's never happened never happened that I was expecting that. You're expecting the weather fuck fuck. Fuck this shit.
Nice,
how long did it take before you start feeling comfortable sparring
the next time ice party? Hilly? Yeah.
So the next time you start again, you just could get back into the mindset of what it's like to be competing and moving with another
person. Yeah, and you can't go for the kill because you don't know how your body's not moving for the kill. Now. You gotta have a you have to develop the relation who this is going to be interesting when you hear this and fighter probably doesn't understand that but as he gets older you have to develop reacquainted relationship with your mind and your body. Mmm your legs go here before your body's ready to go with it right time for right?
The they have to sync up. Yeah that this think now you have to talk. Hey before we Wing before they do it being being being never had my let's move here this move here brother took you lose the tenth of a second. Hmm. When you talk to yourself, right? It's doing it instantly.
So do you think eventually you'll get back to automatic?
Well, we're going to say yeah, I would like
that. Yeah. Yeah, I'd like that
too.
It's exciting though, man. It's very exciting to see sparring again to see all that.
When I when you sparring, are you sparred technically? Are you sparring hard like how this thing?
The first time back wanna try to go all out and I was disastrous. I'm a body with a it wasn't listening. Right? And so I had like you say I had to develop that relationship and the second time I support that was but that was so much better here. Yeah, I wouldn't rush in and try to hurt nobody killing. Nobody was just trying to get work on polished. Yeah, just get working. Yeah
and how often each bar
week when we go back this morning like spawn every day, really every day. Yeah.
Do it the better it
is right. The more your timing is that you feel what are you thoughts on like some people think that you can Spar too much need to leave too much in the gym because you get hit too much and in Camp.
Well, that's the whole thing. You learn in Camp not to get hit. Mmm. That's the art of boxing learning not to get hit in the fight and you have to do that by trying to get in the gym, you know, seriously and avoiding that and then it turned out in the fight. So you shouldn't be in the gym saying I've been hit too much because you shouldn't get hit because that should be the objective of
fighting not to get hit as much as you believe you
are. What do you say to a fighter that sees themselves getting hit too much though inspiring. Do you tell him to take some time off or do you
say, you know know what I say I try to teach him. I not to have to avoid those punches. And if he doesn't I don't really want to have much to do with somebody that I don't want to be involved with somebody getting hit in the getting hurt and right like that.
Well, I know you were doing a lot of coaching of just even little small sessions with different.
There's and yeah, there's a bunch of stuff on the internet. If you have did you think about doing that like in the future
like no not at this moment. It's just takes a really special but you should I think the special person to do that. You gotta be a mother father psychiatrist. Yeah, a dietitian is just so many hats you have to wear and being a trainer a good trainer trainer to yourself. And you find this is just a lot of half. It's really overwhelming for me and my personality.
I totally can understand that but I would also imagine that in your mind there's some
Knowledge that I would love to see passed on to other fighters in a way like a trainer only a trainer can
do. Yeah. I'm the kind of guy you want to know from me? You gotta learn from it. Let me talk to you or something because I'm not like cuz of course will God because we never get tired of answering questions. Sometimes my son asked me so I can watch these guys have so much because that's the way I was accustomed, right? You know, but but I'm not cussing would never get he would love to answer all my questions because it's custom wanted the perception that he knew everything. You should listen to him and take
Advice because he knew everything now, you know, that's what it is. Like if you was his friend you always came to him for advice. He always wanted to fight one to give his advice and let you know that he was a superior thinking that you should come to him and he'll settle your problems. That's just what he was, you know, do you think everything
back on your life like your life with cos and this the story the origin story is almost like a movie. It's
almost nothing crazy. Let me tell you what happened man. I'm in spot fit detention for boys.
boys
Am I lead a pure the movie The Greatest like 7776. I'm 11 years. They play Dolly and then I leave walks in there and talk to the kittens and I saw him outside by going to create as I want to be like him. And from there. I go upstate New York. There's a guy that used to be a professional boxer named Bobby Stewart. Mr. Stewart taught me how to box and eventually say I want to just use they took me upstairs and my custom model. This is all in a couple of months since I've seen that leg.
And now I'm training to be a boxer crazy.
It's and you were 13,
right? No, I was um
I would think I was 13 you look at that type of thing. It's like a movie. If no, I knew I was going to be successful. I knew everything was a go right now. There's no I knew it. It was in my blood. I was only a kid, but I say I want to be like that guy and they just started working.
And it said such and I'm listening not listen not even not even three or four months after I saw Holly the boom boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. I met him. I'm in one place. I had a fight trying to stab guy that I did with a pencil or something I go from there and I go over to this bad place called Elm with this Cottage. That's where Bobby Stewart because he's a fight and he had to take care of you all the staff. They're big strong man because they have to take care of these.
Very interesting kids, you know, like homicidal kidneys are kids but we're dead. Wow. And so that's the job. We're in the wild wind the bad College the lock-up College Elmwood. And so we have the bad women to just the crazy kid College because the lockdown no one can go outside like weed. I got to be handcuffed when they leave the cottage and stuff. And so that's where I've gotten my tutelage. That's where I learned to go to.
Cool, that's why I've learned everything in this bad boy place this place where all the bad kids at and since they had to have extreme kind of God's dear security. Mr. Stewart with a professional boxer and he's with teach the kids how to boxes. They behave themselves and gotten them certain level and which you can go back there and box and guys were coming back to the Dome that was locked. I was in the level to go because I had just got there so they put me in the bathroom lock you up to them. They see what kind of person you also they put you in.
In the group and I see these guys coming back with our eyes busted teeth knocked out the rib, so but they were happy that laughing about it. Yeah, he's like, yeah you almost got him. I feel what's going on. It was having with famous Distillery boxing. Mr. Stewart and Stephen are happy with him bleeding tooth knocked out there, but they were happiness enthusiasm as I wanted to do that to you. I wanted to be tough and so my sister that talk to me they want to teach me so I started cleaning being real nice kid to everybody because I wanted to learn how to box.
Look, he's happy and he started teaching me how to box. It's crazy that you met
costume because out of all the people that you can meet. No one was better at the
psychological. Oh, I would never been the champ if I was the from cuz he put my stuff in my mind. I thought thinking about myself being these people visualizing myself being I don't know greater somebody. I've never done that in my life. I've never heard not even in the ghetto. Somebody say this like, that's why he's great. Like I'm talking about like home.
That's why he's incredible. So why is he incredible? I don't think that incredible. Why shouldn't you have that? Why should he have that? Not you? I'm never hurts my say that to me
because was a master at the psychological off Master like you just you hear him talk about things just reading the things that he's written about about the psychology of fighting.
He was the perfect guy for you. It was almost like no stars aligned. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah.
It's really is a Lego Movie. It really is like it all lined up and plus physically you were so unusual. He was so unusual. So gifted I mean even when you
told him that he can't be too small.
There's no way in the world. He can be too short because it's so small. It's gotta to 25 to 30.
Well, obviously they were wrong big time. But it was also you might have been short but you you have the best style and cust developed that with you the best style to deal with the fact that you were shorter the bobbin in the weave in the constant pressure exactly. But I believe
dollars and relevant. I believe it's the morale behind the style. Hmm. I think success in fighting in life is about desire and the will yeah.
How bad do you want it worth dying for this is true greatness is the willingness to die. So this thing works greatness
the mindset that he instilled in you and the way he gave you the tools in order to think about things in a way that that fueled that
mindset. Yeah, but that doesn't do good in the real world though. It really is really disaster the
world right right now.
Yeah, that is true that to
yeah, isn't that crazy? It's like
The very thing that made you special could fuck you in the real world the
real world guys like that go to prison. They don't exist in the real world. Yeah, take them out of there. It's crazy that they have to they have to remove them from The Real World those kind of people like
myself. Isn't that what's crazy? Like that's where the crazy adjustment has to come in where you have to learn how to be and that's where cannabis helped you a lot
to a lot man. Forget it
but now you're not smoking any we
get
rid of this fine. Do you miss it? Well, I understand my the discipline of this stuff. Yeah what I don't like about it that it's just that without cannabis. I ate it doesn't matter be I just get me. Yeah, I don't like the mean stuff. I don't like I might snap at my wife and my kid. That's what I don't like right? What right right.
Well, I see the sparkle in your eye again. It's a little different right now it last time I was talking to you. There's a little more intensity going on, but it's
So you're ramping
up. Yeah, you know, I'm just always um and sometimes I get beside myself and I forget that I have these have to be grateful. Yeah. What I'll I will God did in general and sometimes I get caught up into my ego right so that it's just a struggle but I'm working on it. I never worked on it before so that's a start right? I never really could consider we're going by but that is the thing right there. What
gets
you to be a championship level fired or can really fuck you up. I can't believe I'm so happy. My
wife is still with me. I'm just very grateful because I'm not miss useless and stuff and I have to learn to do what I had to learn how to live life. Yeah life. I'm disasters and living life fucking Joe get it, right you would never believe what I'm using these nice words and I'm conducting myself. You come to my nice house and you will say this guy is just an uncouth Neanderthal, you know, so
I used to listen to my wife to Vegas to buy listen this right so she told me become before I came in be kind and be nice to every s be kind and nice because I don't eat most of the time only eat after we and if I don't eat enough, she says she's gonna get angry. Can you please eat? So she's forcing me to eat this stuff for fried egg and this and so I said okay eat but she's right because of the time we've been married 11 years.
But you got a good one then man. You got so many bounces
you are loving someone who understands you.
Yeah, I don't know. Listen. I was talking about that, you know, sometimes sometimes think about we together and this is going to be over soon. We're going to die. Once one of us is going to die before the other ones and say I would not know what to do. If you died first. Wow, and I had to take care of these kids because whole life is me and all my kids right? Her life is me, and I only have two kids the two kids that we have but huh life is me.
all my kids right and
I will just love her and married her just for that alone. Mmm, no pussy in the passion of sex that alone. Yeah.
Yeah, that's beautiful man. Find someone who bounces you out like that.
Absolutely,
but that what we were talking about where the very fire that gets you to be Mike Tyson that turns you into this Destroyer inside the ring will if you don't learn how to control it will fuck, you know, and every other
aspect.
For instance. Like I have left my one round fights. Some of them calls me lost because right after that I'm you think I'm calm down. He thing after 30 seconds 45 seconds. He's cool after one, right? Everything's cool. He's happy it's over. It's still ringing. Yeah, it's revving up. It's still wrapped. It's not finish is not dead and she's not dead not the energy is that your jet the energy of hurting somebody to continue to hit somebody it's wrapped up. Right? And so the first thing you hear that indicates altercation, it's not hey what let's just
Off you have no control over it. Right? Yeah, but in this almost like you're insane like why can I stop this? Why is this happening to me? Why am I in jail right now?
And you're Mike Tyson, so it's not like anybody could tell you not to do
it. Nobody tell you to shut up or sit calm
down. You're not gonna listen anybody the fucking king of the
world, but it just gets crazy with the people in the jail and prison know you real. Well, you know, they're familiar with you like when they see you. They're not excited though.
I get really familiar with you Jamie Foxx going to play you in a movie. That's gonna be interesting. That's gonna be interesting. Wild if anybody can do it, Jamie Foxx can do it. That's a talented man. He's really good at what he's a very
talented he that guy could do anything. He's one of those dudes you listen to him sing. You hear him play music. You see him do stand-up comedy. Then you see him act like this fucking guy can do anything. He's just one of those dudes that can just lock in on something and he can do anything
you listen.
When the light is on you when the when the when the universe put the light on you. There's nothing stronger than a person whose time has come. Yeah, it's all about the light man it all of us get it. You may not think the homeless man on the corner of the Blind and paralyzed paralyzed guy this big win the cup we all get that moment to shine. We all get it feelings perform. Whatever it is. We all get it
now when Jamie is playing you what does that feel like I know
Michael Jai White played you want yeah, did you talk to him
about them know how many thousand jail when this got? All right.
Do you know Michael John?
I met him a few
great guy. He appears to be very very nice guy. I've known him for a long time and very respectful guy to but was it weird watching someone play you
dig? No. No, no. No, it's just
The eagle shit kicked in so I'm watching it and he and he had some good qualities in that. He did some really good stuff that I thought but the stuff that he did then I represented me. I don't think people even picked up on it.
Like what kind of stuff it's the way he moved his head. Yeah, people are not cracked my neck. What was that about? You know what had happened when I have foot Bonecrusher Smith head hit me in the next thing. I know. I don't know how to cook him. I couldn't stop my neck was messed up. So I had to go in the chiropractor. I don't know what the heck was wrong with it so nervous. So
I started doing
it. I have some nerves and know those eyes.
And then if I don't get it,
did you ever have neck problems? Like would you
need surgery? I have to do my neck. You know that the why you remember when I used to do those roles on my head? Yes football. They
destroy you're not
doing this is the answer. I would do them for three minutes and stop a minute. Don't for three minutes. I do for five or six and eight rounds and as time went on they just beat me up man that gave you a crazy fucking knocked up man. You're next 20 inches.
You can actually start your temples and just go.
Straight
down. We need a for fighting you needed when that are you doing anything to strengthen your neck? Yeah. I have the weight stuff. Just put you
ever use the iron neck different. You know, the last know it's a Halo. I'll give you what I have one in the back. It's a Halo you put it on you pump it up it fits around your head and then it's got a bungee cord on it. So you back up like this the bungee cords 50 pounds and then you do these and because it doesn't do this with your neck. It doesn't put pressure on the discs. So it doesn't move the disks in.
Unnatural way with the way this way. Yeah because you can do all these different exercises on it, but it doesn't ever bend your disc so it strengthens the neck without doing damage to your
discs. It's something to say. Yeah, I have had one I
would love that.
Yeah, thank you. I really appreciate how I have within them have a treadmill that you have to put on some shorts first and then you zip your is like go in the water. No not water you put in some.
Shorts, he's at the shirts with the plastic that covers the machine and you start running and then you can run as fast you can't feel anything is there but it's not water inside. Oh, yes, huh treadmill, it's on the plastic. It's in the zipped up around this thing right here.
Zero gravity treadmill is that's what it is. Yeah. How's that working?
And pretty awesome. You don't feel anything. Then you take the pants off you feel the effects of bullying my fall to the floor. Really? Yeah. It's really
cool. So this way
Joints. Yeah, but listen, this is what people understand. Yeah, you have a machine it'll be a bit of you running outside. The highwomen outside is almost worth messing your joints up really the end and what the high you get from running outside. What's the difference between the members? I do I don't
like what do you feel?
man, it's just I can't even articulate as you can between being outside running and
It's like night and day so lighting inside a house on the treadmill and being outside running is like night and day. You can't even compare the two
is it because you're you're moving you're traveling distance. Is it because you're breathing in the fresh air like
at the spiritual difference? Mmm. He's just a spiritual just running here in the birds here in the the whatever it is the animals run into breaking the sticks in the weeds, you know, he is conscious of everything
right? It's real running as opposed to just exercise on them.
Exactly, even if you have a headphone on you still conscious of everything out there.
Now have you talked to Jamie Foxx? Yeah, well, he's getting ready to do
this and talk to Jamie is periodically. Oh, so I'm going to talk about the film really it won't tell you what now, he's
getting bulked up to he's getting jacked. He looks huge
his way to the Finish. When is this supposed to take place? And whenever he's ready, I guess wow that's wild.
So when when he gets ready to do it, is he going to hang out with you and try to take on your mannerisms or
well, he's known for quite a long time. So he knows my manager.
He's not gonna if I died you can do me right right pretty much, you know, so he wouldn't have to be around me.
Do you want to help him you want to give him any
pointers everyone whatever help and what areas and what direction needs me to help them. And yeah, that's how it's a great capable of doing it. Yeah, if you're going to
have someone play you I think he's the perfect person.
He's just good as other guys too, but he's just he is knows the radius been there. You know, it's hard to get a guy. That's just
Twenty years old and and then we're going to have some portray this as 25 and he is never get it right with somebody understands the environment that they lived in at that particular time and they create that environment again and they're mine. Once they the under the influence of that person that portraying Jamie's gonna get some knock it out the park now you'll notice about the park for you. He understands that environment and that chemistry. He's coming we and we mean we connect now are you
In a be a consultant on this move or anything to make sure that it's all
legit. Then Jamie will be around me it disgusted with me. I'm sure we have that taken care of as well. But you know, we're just gonna work this out the best way possible for both of us I believe
now. When is it supposed to follow you when you're a young man or is it supposed to be you as a champion? Well, we're not gonna talk about that right now. It's gonna
be a bunch of stuff. I just really dig it. But um to really interesting
stuff.
So you're saying that the running outside it's worth it just for the spiritual difference. It's worth the beating up on the joints. Does it does it fuck with your joints? You have like any problems or ankle problems these days.
Hey I do but but the guys I work with they take care of that right away. You know, it's almost like it's like I don't know. It's like
I don't know. I wanted to heal and like I'm 18, but it's almost like putting super glue on your joints. All right, you know I super going to get stuck his finger off. It's like superglue it is
interesting what they can do today, but you could heal and recover way better than you ever could before there was no 54 year old men that look like you when we were kids.
No, no Jacqueline was the only
one. Yeah and even Jacqueline.
I mean he was kind of fit but he was just fit because he was disciplined because he continued to exercise but this was nine days
all about. Yeah, I don't care how good you are in anything. You don't have discipline. You ain't nobody right? Nothing of discipline because you give up in the slide to struggle without discipline a hundred
percent
and
that has to be something that you also learn
from custody. I'm going to have no discipline. I don't know different. He told me disciplines do what you hate to do, but do it like you love it.
Doing what you hate to do, but do it like you love it. That's it. That is a great quote. Hmm. And if you can do that, you could be successful in anything.
You know, you normally are maybe the best gender in the history of janitors. Yeah, and I used it for perspective on the putting the janitors down. Yeah, you know the best of it. I know what you're saying
when you're when all is said and done I would love it if someone sat down with you and and made maybe a book of all the
That cost taught you.
Now know those things the costume you and nowadays would not be cool. You know, it won't work. I don't know cuz is born in 1908 and 1908. They had a different opinion of people having opinions like women and stuff like that. And cuz
Cuss believing that he cared for the downtrodden people in this net for the blacks and Latinos and Irish people who are being abused by the Irish people of that time was just crazy. He really
He really was that guy. He was the guy that fought for the people that that didn't have anyone to fight for them. He was just that guy. He wanted to be that person. He wanted to be a person that people looked up to and he was the boss and stuff. He was just want to be a pig and when I read his book and I ran found little bottom. He was successful his whole life. He was always the guy that neighborhood the people came through the subtle beef and talk things over with and loan people stuff and help people out and he liked being in that position.
Shin of being able to teach people something which he believed was teaching them something he
knew so much about the human mind.
Well he when he died. This is very interesting. We weren't dying in the Camille's of us and that I lived with him and Camille and she we couldn't go clean the room and when I saw it in his room, I for all books about psychiatry in the mind and everything and Mystic stuff and all that stuff and I said, this is what he was really about. Yeah. He is like he believed his Mystic.
Believe was well, he leaving then and art of archery and all that. He had those books and it was just a believer and more than what we saw. Yeah, you know, it was more than what we could physical Lee articulate going on with us as human beings. Oh what we are called when you sit back and you think about your
career and how fortunate you were to run into that guy. I mean how much of that play a part in your mind like when you knocked out Trevor berbick became the youngest-ever.
Champion when you think about that, we did you ever stop and think like man how lucky am I that I ran into that
man? No. No. He said he summons me he summoned you whoa.
Make sense.
I mean you think about a man whose life work involved Psychiatry involved the Mind boxing hypnosis training all these boxers Floyd Patterson had all these great Fighters and then he wants one great one before it's
over now summon deal. He wants an animal.
He summoned you
when I feel like for
you.
Doesn't make sense. No, I believe what he told me. Yeah.
It
I mean, I don't know if I believe you could summon someone but God damn that seems like it's real.
Yeah,
that seems like it's real.
I don't know. I think you do whatever you believe you can do if you really believe it. Yeah.
Well that that was what I got out of all the things that I read about you and him together and being able to talk to you about you and him is that he gave you these tools to understand the way your mind works and you just ran
Them. I'm an extreme kind of person. Yes, I get carried away. If your confidence in that is delusional perspective. You have to write confidence. Yeah,
you get so amped up Mike mm even even his sitting here talking to you about these things. I could see it in you you get amped up even just talking about achieving things talking about success talking about the mind, you know, I could see it inside you you get very fired up about these
things.
Yeah, I have to be serious fighting that one accomplish.
Yeah, that intensity is what made you special? I mean that that
I mean do I can't people just the first time I had my wife and kids around me. I'm a normally this can happen. I have to be away from them
for Camp.
Yeah. No, I can tell
man you're different right now than the last time. I saw you I could tell you're ramping up for this
fight. It's just what it is. I don't I don't know if I like being who I am and it's just it's who I
am. Are you planning on doing this and then seeing whether or not you're cool with it?
After it's over and then maybe going back to the way you were or
just want to do it. You just want to do it. Yeah, let's just do only
think about that for now and then let all the chips fall where they may after it's over
I used to it. I just want to do it. I like doing it. I don't think it'll be disaster within nothing this to go be awesome. I'm gonna do it. I'm
so glad you're doing it man. There's a lot of people that had negative opinions about it. And I was like
listen didn't know this is interesting. Okay, the think about it.
How did I will unite the dough?
I'm 53? I'm a year younger than
yeah, but listen, the fact is like when they said they can't get people on the moon because they didn't want to believe it because it's like me they don't want to believe it but it wasn't gonna say what happens
the I think there's a difference in today than there was in 20 years ago when you were dealing with a 54 year old person when it's hot when you talk about recovery when sports science what they know about how to make the body work.
What they know about training and conditioning people are just different now.
Yeah, but also have to do you could be as much as so many steroids and pills or whatever. They got Health growth and all that stuff. But listen you could be the best physical shape me and right. If you don't go out there with a good mental perspective is going to turn out disasterous. Yeah, if you're not mentally prepared. Yeah, it's going to be
disasterous. But that's the thing that I'm liking about talking you you seem very mentally prepared
your ramped up Mike. Yeah. I don't know.
It's just that this is who I am. I yes, I don't know like fighting.
Well, that's that's why you were so fucking great at and that's what's so exciting about. This is that you're back into that
mindset again.
I guess so. Yeah, I try to control the glass and I'm people at home. I have this love of my personality
for that's the problem, right the problem
is
yeah turn Once you turn the switch on it just to
keep you know, normally when I'm in this mode at I only want a slave I don't want a family member has been cut stuff down and we all have to be from Humanity perspective you get in the conquerors mindset.
It's just that I think everything should go my way while I'm going through this process. Yeah, and I think no should be a foreign language for this next two months for what I need to prepare for what I need to prepare for.
Everything should go your way.
Yeah from my perspective for yeah for me not for me knowing me preparing for what I need to prepare for you.
That's a alien thought process for most people they don't understand like to be Mike Tyson to be who you were when you were at the top you have to think like that.
And I think every one thing I don't you think like that you think like that. I mean to
fight the fight is the most extreme version of that
though for you to prepare for the for your failure. We're going to just say you had Joe Biden and here for you to prepare for that. That's gonna be very interesting right? You're not going to come out of Mike. You came after my let you know what you're comfortable with. You don't look at it from a different perspective me hit him from this part and things come cause he's on look at you. Just some small Sports jock. Yeah. So you just say I'm a surprise them and come in from this Direction. That's just how we think the competitive.
We don't know why they think what we are we wanted them to have a little bit of figuring out process for what we are
if I had Joe Biden here. I think I get really high before. I talked to him.
I would be beautiful. I think he would be high to tell he's not a high guy. He looks like he's a high
God.
He
loved your high. He seems like he's on something. Yeah, but I would get I would get really high before I talk to a dude like that just to try to
you know, how sometimes when you real high. You could feel you feel energy from people good or bad. You
feel let me have a muscle you got him pegged Yeah. Well,
yeah. Yeah when you want some mushrooms you see who they really are behind the screen that my
wife don't like me. He's no much as you say you lost rooms again, huh? Don't come in here in the damn shroom shroom then DM.
Here, I'm a fisherman. What's that mother tongue? I don't know child chunga showing that if that's a No-No for me at the house. Don't bring that shit home. Yeah, that's funny man. Yeah, when
you if you just even micro dosing if you microdose mushrooms and around people you especially if someone's lying to you if you especially they're pretending they're something they're not
if they have them mushrooms alone before I stood like a Baghdad with the and then when I stopped for like three months and let me do it look good.
looking Tubman Bang
I'm glad you got to just hear it for my entertainment in school and then start sounding whoa, it sounds good. And then boom it's you I know some do to
train on it. They're like to train on
mushrooms lifting on I did I took the mushroom then I did the bike for two hours, but it was like it was just like I was in the zone.
But breathing heavy, you know, I can hear my breathing on it. What wow, I'm gonna try and bring a gonna die. Holy shit. Stop grilling them thinking I'm dead. It doesn't mushroom. Do it makes you believe your dad. Yeah, if you have feeling the fucking like boom, it's just yeah. I'm I'm living dead it feeling that your soul is separate from your physical body. Listen, why can't they listen stop? It's like it's know it.
It's like you're in this room, right? I'm in this room.
Nobody said that blew my mind said I'm in the room and all of them is like it could be like the whole room this whole room is like cover them like a kind of like shaded then the pool and I'm just covered in the hole and it's just me and everything in the whole world is outside of me. Yeah, and it's like I'm going everything is just my entertainment. I'm it's looking in and no one sees me and I'm what it's just man. Forget it. I got a mother says hey baby, baby, baby.
Not been hiding this this stuff from baby baby. I took some shrimp and not feeling good Baby if that plane, I'm sorry. I'm just not feeling good. I'm seeing shit. I'm not feeling good. What does your wife say when you do he's at told you not to hit that shit.
Stop doing
it.
I learned things when I do them. No to I learned absolutely
so do I yeah, and I said, he bade me because my do like I tell my wife she said, this is true. I said see ya.
Give me that enlighten me, but it's also one side this room sometime know why I have to stop doing the show because I started doing it too much and then I lose concept of time. Hmm. I might have been like if they'd me and my wife's in the car. We drop off the kid to a class that she goes once every week. We drop off to me come back to the house and I say
Hey with Milan, we just dropped off my and I love that. He's haunted by that time. Yeah,
yeah, it makes regular life seem like a trivial. So you
things like time
they don't doesn't mean anything anymore. It's a problem. Yeah, if you have to keep
appointments. Oh, no, I'm not gonna make that and if you go there and if you see a body just this the shrimp Thai. Hey, you shouldn't really be here. This is not worth our time. This is not what we are.
Um, this is not what we are vibing on to reach the higher level. This becomes disaster. It's another guy's becomes the enemy now, he's stopping my enlighten me now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah shrooms. It's a I think it should I think they should be clinics.
Some of them do entry. They are type of 10 with a suicide and suicide to Philly. I mean, yes, it's still a
schedule 1 drug, unfortunately in this country, but I think that should be clinics where the professional
didn't have you heard about the alarm the white
Cobra white Cobra. Yeah. Oh, what's that equate psychedelic to it's another psychedelic. Oh the livid tail the the centipede Zanna ya know the total collection of the towed to shore P. What else the jellyfish I believe is one and they have they have a quite a few animals that possess that psychedelic chemical. Yeah.
Well, we're being fucked in this country because they keep that shit from us and they make it illegal. And so
People learn great things about themselves through mushrooms and through all kinds of different psychedelics, especially
microdose. They learned how to stop us from drinking together. Give us a rule. Yeah, but from drinking by taking shrooms and Alyssa
stop people from smoking cigarettes.
I think we abused them I think she'll be using it since the beginning of time and we get people like us we abused them.
Yeah, but people do use everything they abuse cheeseburgers and alcohol it does you should be able to take whatever you want as a grown man.
And this is the fact that this country keeps it from us and keeps it illegal. It's fucked up because it could benefit so many people I
think what would have had the better they wanted to benefit the people hiding it from us the ones that you didn't benefit. I think the
people that are hiding from us, they're protected pharmaceutical
companies. Well the found the who they are, but I know there's somebody yeah.
Yeah. Well, there's a lot of factors there's a lot of factors, but for me personally and for a lot of people that I know they've gained great benefits from psychedelics.
Do you think about this world? We live in what do you think about how did it ever exist? How did the what is the origin of it now?
Yeah, the world is a strange place and stranger right now because of covid because everyone's locked down the society's kind of fucked up
and I think we as human being what we are who we have whatever we exist to be with fucking germs and we're to cause everything that happens to us. Like eyes always think that people let out the vibe that we're we're viruses with fungus. That's what we are fungus if we look at it from the perspective of Consciousness. What do we do? We get sick we get other people sick and we die. Yeah.
Have you ever heard of Terence McKenna, you know turns
McKenna's know nothing about Terrence
Terrence. McKenna was a brilliant ethnobotanist. He was a guy that worked with plants and he was into psychedelics and he had a theory called the stoned ape Theory and he believed that human beings became human beings because of psychedelics. He thinks that we developed into human beings when lower hominids like ancient man was experimenting with
mushrooms and could be interesting. So I think um, well, let me not think that let me time. I've thought um,
I thought documentaries and from the documentary that it appears to be that the world was created off of drugs. Someone's taking some drugs and they have reaching that that belief to be divine intervention from God. And this is how the world was discovered. If you ever do some research in the history of drugs. Yeah, I've definitely done
some research in the history of
drug. Also, I'm yeah, so you understand. Yeah,
well drugs and human beings or for sure it accelerates.
Right gives people ideas, but the idea behind psilocybin is a bunch of ideas. One of them is that it actually can make people think about things like language and that language could have come about from people making these connections from psilocybin. It also makes people a little bit more creative makes people horny increases visual Acuity and them compassion make some compassionate mate. Would Bond them in terms of community. It
also is better for the have the love important as well and if you think about
It for long
periods of time if that became a part of the human diet and it would make sense
that that would make sense because the diet is always been abused iodide is being abused now. That's what we have to be sure now, but that's what happens with the only thing that I'm an extreme drugs and alternative drugs we abused and we taking too much we'd be smoked too much weed. Well, you know, you smoke too much weed smoke too many city with yes to too much of everything. Yeah, we do abuse
shit. Why do you think that is? Why do you think people do you think?
Don't you think that that same abuse that's aimed like that's also what makes people great at things too because that same almost the same mindset that allows someone to abuse drugs or abuse gambling and become obsessed with pornography also is the same mindset if channeled the right way that allow someone to become obsessed with
boxing. What was what cement from doing the right thing from the wrong thing with the same feeling no up of right. What emotional intelligence? Yes.
The majority were leaving for that the world the word is not even 50 years old, right? So this is going to be a struggle for the next hundred years that's going to till we get that. Yeah, that's gonna have to be our main objective to develop that ya know to succeed as human beings.
Yeah. That's no truer words have never been said that's what it is. It's emotional
intelligence good listener. I feel the slave by motions motions are enslaved by
feeling and sometimes we
Placate those emotions by Drowning it in food or in booze or in gambling or sex or anything that
can then we pay then we turn that.
And to memories yeah, and then we become a slave to our memories and I was stops, right we we
that's who we are. We are an alcohol lab. We are
to become the yes, we could stop him coming at just like we learned Alcoholics Anonymous. Yeah so we can learn from that. So that's why they learn some NASA now is not hopeless anymore,
right? That's why it's so hard for people because they have a memory of all the things that done that's wrong and they do it all the time and that becomes who they think they are
to this day.
Change in the picture right thought about changing the channel, you know right change the channel in
life. Well, that's what's so exciting about you with this new chapter of your life. You've just completely changed who you are. You went from pot-smoking Mike Tyson who's running Tyson Ranch was this real nice guy to hang around with doing hotboxing with Mike Tyson fun to be with everything's great and all the sudden you shift right back into Mike Tyson the murderer again.
Well, it's just that um,
And that's it earlier today. If we knew who we were will be very limited. You know, we don't know who we are. We don't know. You don't know what you might do tomorrow when you wake up. It's true. You might be married. Yeah, we'll listen you might get married again. You know, Michael crazy. Yeah. I got a new job. Yeah. Well, that's
one of the exciting things about life right mean this has to be exciting time for you to make this big switch
Yeah. Think about that too. I think about lot I think about a lot like
You know, I'm 54 and that I'm not gonna be here much longer in the when I go my little see my wife and kids. They can't have friends that loved all my life. I'm never gonna see them again. I said thinking about that. Yeah. Yeah, you know movie think about it. I was this guy's this guy's but what I say every one be the way from internally our internal journey, I had some guys sent me that book and I said, wow, this is pretty cool because it's true. We only one heartbeat away from dying. Yeah and going on that long.
Bride of not knowing yeah a feeling cause that's when I was on the toad DMT is all about feeling. Yeah, the field makes the reality
how much would that change your perspective on life when you had those experiences?
You Got Me In Shape, we got me this this was a this was that me do
Because someone's I did it the first time I did it it just blew my mind that I did it again if hey, you better get in shape. It's gonna shake this get into the fuck's wrong with you. Yeah. Listen, I liked it. I told you. Hey, you fucking know especially when you think about it. I'm not the guy you have to say Mike man, you know, you gain a few pounds has kind of work it out man. You can do get a big fat dumb nigga just should take a look at big fat model. You have fat lazy.
Motherfucker that motivates me you need to hear that
and Intel to
yourself. Ya know anybody the right person need to tell it to me to fuckin say that. Well, they don't hey. Hey. Hey, I was I listen I was I was somewhere around Freddie. I went somewhere to do something. That's sort of one to Freddie Roach has trainers Irish guy European guy and he knew me for years because I used to work with he said what the fuck is wrong with you. Look at you man.
This is not fucking right look at all my what the fuck are you doing? And wow, I felt this big but I needed around bunch of people but say, you know, this is not right. This is not right for my that's a fuck right and I got right. Yeah, some people call that fat
shaming but I think that Jamie works for me
works for me too. If I got family. I want some of this somebody's not yell at me and I found out he death and he thought that was a fat.
He wouldn't come out. I want to be a friend of mine once told them no more. If he's not tell me your mic man. That's not right moment. At least. Let me know I might not want to do but let me know. Yeah, I'm not looking good. Shit ain't right. Yeah, you know because the guy can go tell you he's hanging around let you stay eating and fucking hanging around drinking. Yes. That's the enemy man. Yeah. That's the enemy.
So you do the DMT trip and then you have it in your head like I gotta get
in shape. Absolutely. Absolutely like sometimes you say that
Body shaming doesn't hurt people hurt. It hurt some people to me and makes me. Hey man, let me it helps me. That's like I'm not that guy. The
only way it hurts people is if you don't listen if someone says you're fat and then it hurts your feelings, but you don't work out then it hurts you but if someone says you're fat and it hurts your feelings. You say I'm gonna use this as a motivator exactly shape exact and it helps you exact fat shaming is only bad if you don't stop
yeah, and then we looked at his fat shaming like when just what you said like who's on said to Mike like, I don't know.
Like that guy. Yeah, the guy things like that. I'm not going to tell him I'm that's my enemy right? He's not helping you. He's my enemy. Right? Right. He's my enemy. So enemy the DMT trip open your eyes to that. Absolutely. Yeah,
but that's not something you want to do. I ain't Camp,
you know, I did it 16 times 17 16 times. Yeah, never regret doing it.
Never be good at doing
I think everybody should do it.
It's just not everybody but everybody who is anybody. Yeah for
everybody not everybody everybody who needs it should do it. I should say that.
Yeah because some people believe this is all this is the real world out here. Yeah, they really believe this is the reality isn't interesting like once you do it
you realize that that world is some more Vivid than this world
and we got to be in that world longer than we got to be in this world.
I love they let me here. We have been dying this show. Yeah, that's probably true. I don't know what it is, but it's probably true. But this will listen this is what happened. You do this toaster for any of those interesting narcotics.
You have a different opinion about dying in the fear of dying. Yeah, you know he say you start to think. Hey, maybe I'm living too long, you know shit.
Well, maybe that's just another existence. That's that's what made me think like maybe this is always there and maybe this life that we have that this temporary life that were clinging onto that so
important. Why is it even the guy that nobody wants to really stick on to the fact that after we die is over why not might want to hold on to that. There's a way out.
That more is then really being confident with saying hey, there's something else after this and that's from scammed from dying the earlier what you know, why do people stick with that that the smooth is that the soften? I ride to the internal life of Darkness or
what? It might be. I mean, we don't know until we die, right? Yeah, but everybody think the people that think that it's just over when you die, it's over you did though the world was darkness and then that's it. That might be right or it might be
That you go to that place where you go when you smoked DMT might be that
that might be you. Don't remember when you were born. Do you you don't yeah. I thought I remember when you died. Yeah, I think we're born again. If we want to give me that could remember the life. We had nothing remember this
shit. I've always said everybody scared to die, but no one scared to sleep,
you know sleep. It's not some people are yeah, some people are afraid to sleep. You know, they get their moments with some time you think way I might not wake up this morning could have you here and you know people at your school sleep at it.
The ninth time with you didn't do any drugs and they are starting wake up. That's true too. But does the thing about sleep
is be pretty confident you're going to come back. So you're willing to shut off. It's okay, but no one wants to shut off
forever. But um, listen the belief that you want to come back as magnificent. Yeah, the belief that know that we're going to wake up in the morning. I did we went into life like that. Yeah that belief.
Yeah, and you think life is just temporary and that when it's over you're going to go to an even more.
Or magnificent place
so we say life. What life when we that's not a knife is not over right? We leave this place right? It's another form of life. We haven't experienced yet. Right even if it's the black life was just all darkness is a part of life that we have been embracing some kind of form of fashion. Well, that's the weird thing about the toad right as if there's no Visions, but the with the filling so intense you fancy. Yeah right feeling so intense even makeup or whatever you see it from that's my feeling is so important. We are throwing me understand.
Feeling that I we have to understand that they even lie to us, right. I like my eyes lied to us.
I remembered the first thing I felt is so insignificant like you just a part of everything you're part of the whole universe and instead of looking at yourself as a center of the universe when I did it. It just made me realize I know you're part of this infinite thing and such a small part. Everyone is such a small part. It's the universe itself is what's big and you're just a piece of
it.
Defeating each other. Yeah, we're all your feet and each of the blood to just run into each other feet to the hold of dirt and mud everything awarded ocean. Are we just all feeding each other? Yeah the bugs there's more. Listen. I'm there's more stars than the space than there are grains of sand in the desert. Yeah. I did
that. It's ridiculous.
What do you think about aliens Mike?
I think we're aliens think so. I think we descendants of aliens. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's the only way I could come if you can't explain if you only tell me about Adam and Eve I'ma go with the aliens. Hmm, if that's what you hit me with Adam and Eve. Yeah, I'm gonna go with these alien guys.
Well, there's a lot of people that believe that we are the product of aliens that aliens came down and did some experience experiments with lower hominids and did some
Elevated genetic experiments and creative people will
listen them.
Aliens of this and when when certain tribes the people I'm not saying I caught a Caucasian when it came to Africa, even before that when people came to other people the first time they see him they were aliens. Yeah first time an Asian man saw a Caucasian man. That was the Alias black man for Asian men and white men. That was the alien. Yep. Maybe they want Ellen's but that what they thought they were do just the tribe of people that encountered them and perhaps they were getting the
I think they were dying and they had to read through this the lower whatever you were saying Lord Hanuman Lord damage, and maybe that's this is us we could they had certain um, as you may know cause I know you know, you do these kind of researches. They already discovered it was they were different forms of species that that's working down to us that they came from us. And now with the degree of I guess where the human species of is. Yeah. There was a bunch of different kinds of humans.
Yeah. Yeah. There was many many different kinds.
Humans, and before they were here many of the years before millions of years after we were erectus. Mmm after we walk they always been here. It's very rare that you can find.
A human life that didn't wasn't erectus. They could find a skeleton of one that walked on all fours. The oldest person they found is 4 million per 4.4 million years old Lucy. I believe it if 4.4 million years old. It's nothing. It's nothing turn people will people were erecting then he were walking and both feet then yeah, you know for me for years
for me as I go, so they never found. I don't believe that we found the
Let's go with another human. That wasn't erectus.
That's one of the things about life is a life is so short on Twitter that as well Uncle of an eye. Everything goes. Well, you live a hundred years, but that is nothing in terms of the life of the
planet. You know, how long it took them to build the Great Wall of China thousands of years to build two thousand years. Yeah two thousand years. Can you imagine that and that's nothing two thousand years is left.
Quill crisis been around crisis young and I young crisis, you know young age terms of the world. Yeah. Yeah
doubt. That's how bad they want to keep the Mongols out. They built a fucking wall took them thousands of
years. You ever read about Genghis Khan listen, um, if building with Team Imaging, yeah, and he tell you what happened. He's like 13 when he died 113 what 14 and he is real ring was like
In the 12th and early 13th hundred and first of all, he came from he's real Paul's mother and father. They all came to got beat up and took though. He had a woman then they took his wife but he got friendly with a real bad motherfucker real he was a criminal with the baddest small. He was so bad and he loved team engine. He just became you know, if some guy who see a guy named hit off one guy was he was really weak at the time and this other gang had took his wife.
And he and the Seminoles guy was making my move Raiden stuff and he just says what is wrong because I really love them. He said what is wrong is it these people took my wife and said don't worry. I got many away. What do you worry about that one with but I really love because he really loved her and so the guy said listen, I'm gonna help you get your wife back, but you never told nobody that we raided this city because of a woman. Okay, and so he went back in the guy got his wife back. And so the guy allowed team engine to be number 2 because he loved them so much.
But he got jealous because the men started favoring gang is because Genghis will let them read everything said keep it all he wouldn't take much to keep it all at the men have it all and they all started looking up to him and follow him and then the other guy got jealous and eventually genius had to kill him, but he said he won again Ethan wanted to but he said you have to kill me and so ginga's kill them. But you want to go when he said I'm you're not going to spill any blood see crush them in the Rocks who wants this? No blood no cuts, and I'm like that.
But that was his best friend and after he died that's how King has had the
reputation. So you follow them you pay attention to them. You
read a bunch of shit and I named my dog after his favorite wife Paley. Wow.
So I know you've been into that kind of shit like Alexander the Great all the all the different conquers guys
Pippin Charlemagne Clovis.
That was just stuff that you just studied because you want to study conquerors is just interests
you
I wanted to study that mindset.
You know, and I found that the greatest conquerors.
That ever lived.
performance
You know Farmers sheepherders somebody that we weren't think that's important stuff. And then as they became great through that they made gave birth to great children who are born with greatness like Alexander the Great and stuff like Philip the Macedonian that whole bloodline of Alexander. They were all Kings but they're all very small and insignificant until it was all is one Alexander before him that was pretty great and fought against the Persians, but eventually they lost and they pretty much kiss the Persians ass.
You know made prisoners put them in a position of power and tell Philip Philip Macedonia came who had the nickname AKA Philip the Barbarian and he wanted the gold cross enslave all the Persians and everybody after that the world and Alexander the Great mother who was a really interesting woman.
I'm trying to say Albania's maybe and they had a different kind of study and worship and stuff back then so he got caught up in that his family didn't like a for that but she arranged for.
He arranged for Alexander's father. I think to be killed for Alexander had the power within her cake that the power she can lead to a kids while he was on campaigns. Right and when he was on these campaigns out of his father was going he just conquered everything but when he ran into the Afghan people he fell in love with them. He wanted to interbreed with him. He wanted to create a new race of Afghan. He is madly fell in love with him. And that's pretty much what his his family his
Came with the Greeks went what they want Mountain a mutiny on him because they were jealous that they were giving big positions to the bum the Persians and no Afghanistan. He loves me even quote the Afghanistan's most beautiful people to work. God must have loved him more than anybody. We made them beautiful. He really fell in love with them. When did you start
getting really into like conkers when you start 15 you're 15, what would introduce you to it?
I'm I was at the table eat with cousin friend of mine named Craig was said,
It a statement which was wrong, but it sounds really good to make me investigate. He said Alexander the Great and his time was like six five. So I six five three hundred years before Christ. That was a giant which was wrong. He was very small. The arm was too big for me really small guy. It wasn't big at all.
And so just that alone him saying that got you
interested. I want exactly with the monkey the math of Gabon. I found the he's just a small man average guy, you know, he's not a monster at all big man at all.
But you got interested in the the mindset of the conquerors
to listen. This is what I want to know.
Why would one person think that he could fuck it on the whole world one person? Why would he have that my who would think like that? Right? Why would a man person? Why would that's not a fucking person? That's just something when your ego is just got so out of whack. Well, you're just kids can't think rational. How do you think like that in your nice person? It was a guy before him a couple hundred years before him names Cyrus the Great he was just like he was a conqueror, but he was a conqueror of for
Bibbity he wanted to conquer all slaves and let them go conquer all slave math. Let them go he got killed for that too. But he knew that maybe that sounds that sounds cool too. Right? That's good. That's a good name. But listen think about it who the fuck is here to take somebody else's property take somebody else's stuff because he believed is wrong, which it probably is wrong. I think it's wrong but who the fuck is he? Right? Who is this guy to take other? This is conquer you you don't bother nobody but this is what they did back then and you're killing everybody back then it was really legal. It's almost
In the Bible is in the books. It's not I won't say it but sin book slavery's in the book is in the religious book that we need slaves and he did this one and this time I'm going to say hey no more slaves.
500 BC so he's gonna say no more slaves. No more slavery is wrong out of do the whole world. So he wants to conquer the world and free of slaves. Wow. So that's just a different mindset. Yeah, they're
different kinds of mindsets is conquerors hat. But who does
he think he is who the hell is he? He has his little town of Lehigh is going to go over the whole world. His town is right here. Well it forget his town. His country is right here. Yeah, you know, he don't even hear the name.
In this country and he'll conquer the world and liberate Freedom make Freedom. What kind of knot that's nothing if that's not somebody on drugs. You don't you tell me? No, you tell me now be honest not flying high. You tell me it could be Coke know that nigga fucked right? I'm gonna I'm a free everybody right? This is the one up at 500 BC. This is slavery is what it is. This is the way of the world. No, I'm a free all the slaves. It's pretty crazy. It looks like everybody what
Did you get out of
like reading about their mindset like studying temujin studying Alexander the Great like what did you get out of reading their about their mindsets?
I found out that the greatest ones the best the most political ones.
We'll all Mama's Boys. Really. Yeah afraid of their mother. Wow, Napoleon Alexander.
You know me. Wow.
Genghis Khan to yeah, really? Yeah. What do you what do you think that is? Huh?
What you think that's all about highly respect a mother. I'm a thinking there. I think their mothers were the furthest but Lee Alexander the Great I think she was the first stage mother. I think there was some before her to you know, because Cleopatra was working there. That's just what the word at the end. They said they were they were one of the lead through their sons are exported to something like that.
Okay.
Like like that parent it takes their kids to athletic events and screams and cheers and pumps them up and
know they know know know if the parent who whose child word is Law and I want to be able to have that
word.
Okay, do you get that? Yeah. My son is the King right this country a couple of countries, but I want I want I want my thought to be in his mouth come out of his mouth. You think the parents
convinced
Child that they were that special that they should run the
world some of them do but at some kids get older like Ivan the Great Ivan the Terrible they get older and then they realize these people aren't right took me and I and they start killing his
sponsor to the people that were ripping step parents and stuff.
You know, some of the Kings did it too, you know,
so when you were studying this when you were coming up as a boxer and you're studying all these conquerors you were trying to understand their mindsets. Yeah, and you're trying to apply that to your own life pretty
Much. Yeah, did you get anything out of it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, what did what did you get? Like what how did it apply to your own life?
Well at the end of the day to all that God for forgiveness hmm all of them.
So when you read all these books about all these conquerors when you're a young man and you're on your way to becoming the youngest ever heavyweight champion and you're trying to take on the mindset of the conquerors and you find out they all ask God for forgiveness. Yes. How did that affect you
that was pretty cool because by that I learned greatness with the willingness to die, but, you know doing research and on these particular individuals and that's what they were willing to do for greatness.
Hmm
and you can you know, you heard about Achilles and stuff easy Heap. What did he want to short life of greatness in a long life of obscurity. They took the shot life and that's why I examined it.
When you when you started these people and you take it that conquers mindset, did you get anything out of that? Did you apply that into your own your own Pursuit as a champion?
Absolutely because you have listened Alexander the Great was 32 and he conquered the known world. Yeah in 10 years.
And so thinking about that as a
young man to lutely. I want I want my preeminence to Vibe with the time that you know, when the sands of time it's not raining with it. I think everybody should want that that are competitive in the art of what do you say immortality? Yeah, and I've searched for it. That's what he wanted. He wanted he wanted in mortality. That's what he wanted. He wanted to be known since the, you know till the end of
time did you ever think?
Maybe you were born in the wrong time that maybe if you were born in the times of Alexander the Great you would also be a
conqueror. No, I am a conqueror now because I've conquered myself in my demons, you know not because I'm at that time. I'm never born till I'm born in the right time. Most of them couldn't conquer that demons. That's why they ask for forgiveness from God all of them because just like the gentleman that discover them.
I called Anonymous. You know, he he's by maybe he can maybe he had a problem with alcohol at the end. But he how many people have the inspired. Yeah, that is so much bigger than him succeed in the night with his problem.
You know, what's interesting about him is he was interested in
LSD bill will see
ya. Yeah. That was a big thing of
has that's what that's what instructed him to have the program. Yeah developed the program.
Yeah when you're talking about they
Would seek forgiveness from God that's so interesting to me that you turn to cannabis and cannabis will allowed you to forgive yourself.
Yeah, I'm listening to reason why they ask for forgiveness for God. This is why this is interesting that you said that it's because they believed they were God and they have had that the end of the day, we realize and check themselves that they're not. Yeah not gone and then they've done horrific things. Oh, yeah at the end of his life. He was so forgiving and giving everything away.
A and feel sorry for everybody. He didn't know how to forgive himself either. He didn't know what how do you do that? When you think you go? How do you forgive yourself to Identity the day that look the man who conquered the world died with nothing in his hand he gave everything we had no Swartz and nothing. He was so freaked out about dying being the rich guy and stuff and having so much property and having the world like he for that because he had the world. This is gentleman that he won't you genius. I've got the guy that the name sloth after them.
Was flop Eugenia that I don't know but he was like, he's considered a homeless bum nowadays. They would be called above my homeless guy, whatever and Alexander been watching them. This is how Keen he is. He's watched this guy for years and he said listen before he became king of Greece these watch this guy. This is Leland the killed and he said Hey listen,
I watched you and I have everything and I'm gonna happen. You don't have nothing. So what it what can I do to you to make you happy and know what he said when he had the balls to say he said first of all, you can be kind enough to move out the way of the Sun and then allowed me to enjoy my day and he couldn't have conceived somebody to turn him down for witches and stuff. He couldn't conceive of it. It just blew his mind. He was so blown away. He couldn't even kill a guy for disrespecting. I'm he was just blown away. He's a
I have everything and I didn't even realize he's wasn't happy. He had it all. He's the king of Qin his name, you know where he was getting ready to go. You can't wait to be king of the world, but he recently just not happy and he has everything so he thinks by conferring the world is going to make him happy and he did and he will happen. He turned into a drunk. Wow.
Imagine that it's crazy here and that's what he's saying experience with new drugs. He listened when I'm when you went on a campaign know what I thought when you went on a campaign the movies lie. They say you going to campaign is just over 300 Gladiator one of 10,000 Souls, you know, they bring the whole family with them. It's like a party then why I've the kids everything they got the surveyors with them housebuilder the winter the people who deal with them.
Agriculture for that time everything's with the whining for the test everything when they conquer conquer. You know, what conquering is we think that's glorious conquering his glory in the way I could know. I it is Conquering Robin Raven illegally taking somebody else's goods and enslaving them that's conquering that's not good people all the people. We like Buffet these guys this guy conquer this he conquered that they heard people they did it for greed. They didn't do it for you.
Going to help our people they did it to take things because they could
now when you were coming up as a fighter and you were reading all these things about conquerors you you were fueling your mind in that way and you were also studying a lot of fights. You studied all the old-school Champions. Are you doing that now in this Resurgence like are you studying?
No, I think I know everything about the moment. I'm have did the researcher know I was a kid that I started reading to the ACT.
Going to the other language level so I go from the level of these guys that are fighting with the Gladiators all those guy so I go to from them to the generals and from the generals to the Gods.
And that are but that occupied a lot of your time when you were training, right? Absolutely. Yeah, but that what are you doing now like that. There's anything that's similar that you'd like when you were watching those old-school tapes if you were watching like Jack Dempsey or Harry grab or any of these old-school Fighters that was there was something about that that was providing you the inspiration you were you were you were learning from it, but it was also you getting yourself into this mindset.
Yeah, because I know if I was like the the cuz with tell you the more you the more you win the more
You beat these guys, the more the people applauding around the more you enjoy doing it. Hmm, and I wanted the people one of the people that
have the same feeling towards me that I had towards the older fighters of yesterday. Yeah.
So I was madly in love with Fighters. I was just I was just and if I met a fighter hard it is this. Hey, let's get this kid out there. We just bug them to death. Let me carry it back and hopefully this got to do this you're fucking you know, you think they're gonna like you for being a haze get this fucking kid away. Nope is yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah have you back I help you.
But you're not you don't study films like that
anymore now. Yeah, periodically, we know what I do sometimes because I have YouTube. I look at YouTube and they have fight. Let me check on some check him out. Yeah. Awesome. I see some real problems and Willie Pep stuff. Yeah. Well, let me check this out
lomachenko the wild gotta watch his name. He's really
he's really nice to us. He's really interesting. Right? Yeah, like watching the footwork is so extraordinary like doing that it watching a lot of people hate on them. But you know, that's how it is. You know, he got the light when yeah the light that
yep. Yep, who else gets you excited that's fighting today.
They got a couple of guys. Hey me good guys. You could could the other little guy from Baltimore's good. It's quite a few and that's a couple of guys. I'm
- mm that's pretty good. That's in that let's go to come up and be really good with them ever Spencer's really good terms Crawford Terence Crawford as good as a bunch of good Fighters. Yeah that little guy Ryan got see. Yeah. He's hot shit, right?
Feebly talking shit. Yeah, I'm saying I'm an insecure that's made that been a bunch of waiting for this might think I'm a punk. Let him do that to me. He's got a friend. That looks so cool. Yeah.
What do you think of the heavyweight division nowadays?
All right. Joshua was there I thought this is everybody's good for the time. I don't think their bums anything like that. But hey buddies, I wanna have something negative to say about somebody right, you know them because this is their time to the best of that time. You got to give him that credit you can't compete with guys that
A path a guys are coming up. Now. This is just their time. This is what it is right now is right. Now this is how we're going to judge it from right here.
What do you think about it? So it's an interesting group at the very top of the Heap, right? Tyson Fury Deontay Wilder Anthony. Joshua means it's an interesting group at the at the top level right
now. No not interested. They're all exciting Fighters. Yeah, they all going to make a great deal of money. There's need to fight each other. Yeah. Stop bullshitting is off fighting.
Fight each other a couple of times. Yeah, and then when this stuff is over your guys could say Hey, listen, we did it our way, right? You know, this is what happened to me.
I'm such an egomaniac I fell in love that night. This is the laughing. I'm the king forever. I'm always a bit King. This is way it is. Fuck you. I never think about tomorrow. Nothing. This is now I'm the king kiss my fucking ring doesn't that and the fact that I used to and I will let this work. I didn't listen because hey,
If you always will don't take this personally took fighting personal because they don't take it personal. It's not personal right? I took it personal and the eagle make me take it personal.
So when he said don't take it personal, what did he mean by that
don't allow the stop you from living your life and a happy perspective. I love the vital commit suicide start drinking to do cocaine is like stuff for your girls that rather that you don't know you meant to miss ago.
The little the fight, right? Okay anything you lose a fight you shake the guy's hand you go to the gym. You work hard to prepare for the fight. You pay you in the fight. You don't want to fight you prepare heart away from the next fight. You win the fight. You don't get to fight some other guys. You want to fight then fight him again the name of the game that you stay busy. You keep working how much different would things would have been of custard a lot? Yes really different but wasn't meant for that to be. Yeah, I had to refill I had to figure this stuff out. He couldn't protect me my whole life.
right
You know, I've always wondered I was
wondered what would have been different if he'd stayed alive because I mean he guided you in such an amazing way, you know and you
cousin just listen because it's just a hard guy to get along with customers just enemy prone if he didn't have an enemy, he would create one really one of those guys. He loved fighting he wants to fight if he doesn't fight he doesn't want to live. Wow, once the fight. You need to have somebody to
We don't have the money to fight here find somebody to fight. He
must have loved having
you people. Ah, well listen to everything. He said I listened to my was around and he loved people to listen to him. Took him say everything. He said I would do if he told me to kill somebody would kill somebody.
You know anything he said I did it.
Do you think about him even today while you're training?
Absolutely after I think my teeth all the time, you know may think about him all the time when she could sell my kids. Hmm. I wish you could have probably seen you know, what I did how I didn't have my kids turned out now. Yeah go with the Great Schools and they cool things and again kids and they really
He's really sweet kid that really understand life yet and maybe because they didn't have a father like I had yeah, things are different than it was for me.
You don't want your kids fighting.
No, no, I did that. That's why I did it for didn't have
to yeah, I remember you were talking about your son hitting pads and like him possibly fighting like man. You don't want to
find an animal like me if people do have nothing to lose and all the the whole dreams about if I beat this guy I'll get that new bike. Yeah. I might get this card. I thought it was because they be win the tournament will get you this you win this time. I'll get you a gold teeth. I will try to save my money for my gold teeth. And if I win this told me that you and this time I'll get
gold teeth
Everything everything he always dangle the carrot. Yeah, you win this Challenge and I did it but I didn't want to tell him I think it's shit, you know, I think the faculty anyway that I don't get it now.
Listen Mike. I'm very excited about your comeback. I am as well. I'm very happy that you're doing it. I'm happy you look fantastic. It was really cool to be able to sit down and talk to you about it and I'm a hundred percent enthusiastic
about it. I've been so I look forward to seeing you this. I'm sure some people will be there.
We're fighting now. I will try
to be there live. I would love to be there live if it's possible if I can be there. I'm just gonna
love this shit. I'm excited. I'm excited.
I'm excited looking at you being fit and how enthusiastic you are and I wish you nothing but the best
brother, thank you. Thank you very much the same with you man. You ain't Comin successive doing. Thank you Kathy. I'm a nice brother shit who you want to interview?
I don't I don't don't have
anybody in my head that I
need interview. You want to do Bill Clinton those guys. I'd
like to do Bill Clinton. I like to get high with Bill Clinton.
You know, he had a brother named Roger. You're awesome
guy. Yeah.
Yeah. So Roger before my friends house it watches just a beautiful person. Yeah,
I but I don't need to you know, I would if he wanted to do it I would do it but I don't need to I like talking to everybody man. Yeah, I like talking my friends. I'll tell ya you I like talking to anybody.
Yeah.
Shit know what I did a couple of not talk to some homeless people in every interesting. Yeah, I think sometimes I think I mean I'm going to be I'm overwhelmed them intellectually and I get a humbled sometimes. Mmm.
Well a lot of homeless people are really smart. They just fucked up there. Whatever part of her head that
that come together. I mean, yeah, I think I know you know this guy that sound dirty and teeth fell out and this guy start enlighten me on yeah, and then he has to tell me to leave because I'm stuck there.
I'm gonna get out of here. Are you enjoying doing hotboxing? Hey, listen, I'm haven't done in a while since this stuff since you
started training. Yeah, and
that's cool, too. That's cool, too.
I don't think I'm a good host while I'm under this kind of
generations understand. Yeah. No, I like I said, I could see the intensity your ramped up right now. You're a different person than last time. I talked to you. Yeah, I guess but excited it's
exciting. So my wife will she shouldn't have told me again that treadmill really she's you
predicted it man. You predicted it on this show. You said I don't want to reignite my ego and you did it.
But I'm excited that you did it. I'm excited. I can't wait for November 28th
May. I just want man. Listen. Let me show you when I leave here
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