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Jocko Underground: And Interesting Factor In The Russia/Ukraine Conflict. Chasing Your Dreams. Do The Right Thing
Jocko Underground: And Interesting Factor In The Russia/Ukraine Conflict. Chasing Your Dreams. Do The Right Thing

Jocko Underground: And Interesting Factor In The Russia/Ukraine Conflict. Chasing Your Dreams. Do The Right Thing

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Echo Charles, Jocko Willink
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Mar 21, 2022
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This is the Jackal underground podcast number 45 vehicle Charles sitting across the
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table from me and just too.
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Give a little bit of just some perspective that we were talking about to
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everyone
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right now. The date is the 18th of March and looking
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at the war as it
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unfolds in Ukraine. And one of the things that I just wanted to bring a sort of very ground level tactical view, too.
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Is the way I
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think there's some things are going to have a big impact on
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that on the war. One of them is snipers. And the reason I bring this up is because
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Snipers
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which in task unit Bruiser? We used very effectively against the enemy in Iraq.
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The, the psychological
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impact of snipers cannot be overstated. It is a massive psychological impact.
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We certainly got reports from the enemy, you know, we would intercept reports, or we'd get gather human intelligence. That would say, that the, the enemy, the insurgents in ramadi were horrified of snipers.
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And what makes it so
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horrifying is that you?
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It's kind of I guess it's almost
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the
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there's an equivalency between a sniper and a roadside.
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Bomb in that you're just minding your own business. You're doing your do your do your be, you're doing your bad guy stuff? If you're out there doing your bad guy stuff and you think you're going to get away with you and your bad guy stuff. You're not scared of anyone because you kind of operate without without any fear because you don't even see you. Don't see any any American forces around, you're just out there being a bad guy.
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Maybe with your with your buddy and you're out there doing bad guy stuff, you're digging a hole in the road or you're maneuvering to a fighting position or whatever and all of a sudden your friends head just disappears.
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And you don't know how it happened. You don't know where you're going to hear a boom, right? So you don't hear The Gunshot you may or may not? Yeah, depending on how far you are. Or maybe you hear it a second later, two seconds later.
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And and then
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you look to respond. You don't see anything. You know, what you see is, you see windows. So imagine you're walking down the street magic. You're walking down the street in San Diego.
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In downtown San Diego. You've been to downtown San Diego. You worked at the bar, right? So, imagine you're standing out in front of your bar. In San Diego. You're being your bouncer, right? Sure in and imagine how many, how many windows and doorways? Can you see ya thousands?
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Yeah.
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It might be thousands, right? It's more than it sells for like
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Tech maybe 10th a given. Yeah. Well
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10,000 because the angles it may not be
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It's not infinite, but there is a really hard, a very large number because because it's not just the building across the street or the next building down or the knights. It's like six buildings down more than that. It's every building. You can see every building, you can see ya and the rooftop and the windows. So now, imagine that the previous day when you were doing your bouncing job.
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You were standing out there with your friend Fred and all the sudden Fred's had just disappeared. And now it's now it's the next day and you're going to work. How do you feel?
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Yeah. Yeah, you're not going to feel good about that. So,
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we would hear those reports
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when we were in ramadi of
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fear, psychological fear. Also, there were some what we called enemy Sharpshooters, so we didn't
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Snipers because they weren't, they weren't like, full-on fully capable snipers, but there were some damn good shots. And
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they, they they
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made some shots and we would hear about
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those
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in the whole area of operations. Like, for instance. Here's one report that sort of coming down, was that there was a enemy Sharpshooter that was shooting an aiming for the
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groin. That's what he was aiming for.
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And and so this was like,
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You know, just to give that psychological fear. There was these weird stories about
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like session snipers.
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So now you're thinking all this is the person that's been trained for this kind of thing. So I think that well, the the ukrainians have very good actual
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snipers and it is taking a toll on the Russians.
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And here's the thing from a, you know,
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I start, I started off by saying like, hey, I want to bring this down to a tactical perspective. But now, I want to thank think about this from a strategic perspective. If you've got a hundred snipers.
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You got 100
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snipers and each one of your snipers is killing three a day. Three, enemy a day.
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Now, you've got a friendly force or whatever. Whatever
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force is losing 300 people a day, just from sniper
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shots that they can't react to. They don't know how to defend against.
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So, 300 people a day?
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That turns into a real problem for any military.
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So as I've been watching this thing
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unfold in Ukraine, and I think it's going to
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I think that's going to leave a mark and then on top of that, we have these anti-tank weapon. They have these anti-tank weapons.
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The anti-tank weapons. This is another psychological
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thing because,
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as a tanker, a young tanker, what do you thinking you when you get into a tank? You think you're getting into
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a, you know, a place that no one can touch you? No one can bother you. You're good to go.
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Now. I never had this feeling when I was in the back of Tanks, when I was in the back of, well, really. I was in the back of Bradley's, but getting into a Bradley
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You did. I definitely didn't feel like, oh, I'm on touchable because Bradley's were getting
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blown up and destroyed and it was very vicious
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to die inside of a Bradley. So I never felt any level of comfort when I
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was getting into a Bradley Fighting
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Vehicle to Transit somewhere in ramadi. Why is that? Well, it's because I had seen Bradley's get blown up and seen the damage that it caused and seeing the people get killed in those. So let's say you're a
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Russian tanker
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and you know, you've trained and
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you literally go out and you drive over
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vehicles and it's cool. And
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you can't hear anything in there because it's such a big giant metal awesome machine and you're thinking, hey, the ukrainians don't even have.
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You know, they got limited tanks and workers going to kind of dominate.
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So now the first day goes by and all the sudden you hear rumors, right? Hey wait, they have some kind of anti-tank weapons. They're shooting.
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Our tanks and it's destroying our text killing the guys inside. And they, well, how many, how many tanks got knocked out and all of a sudden, it's like, 712, 14 tanks. And now, all of a sudden, instead of you feeling indestructible, you feel. Absolutely
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vulnerable and between
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just those two things just between the snipers.
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And the anti-tank weapons that are being used. Both of those are being used, very effectively. I think that rock.
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