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Today on layer 0. I'm talking with the Tasha and Deena from the boys club. The boys club is an organization focusing on onboarding women into web three and that's where I think the the name. The boys club is just so fantastically. Awesome crypto has famously, not been a very welcoming Place towards women, especially during the era of just being a bunch of basement-dwelling Libertarians. And before the world of culture and nft. He's really took fourth. There was just not a place where women felt welcomed.
And the boys club is looking to tackle this problem head-on and there's been a number of these conferences. I've gone to around the world where women seeming seem to have much more presence in crypto in real life than they do on the internet and all the, the crypto ladies that I've met while going to conferences all seem to have their part in the boys club and rep. It really, really hard. And so, I want to wanted to get the founders of the boys.
Club on the show, just to talk about the boys club won. Its mission is what his goals are, what is Vibe is and what it can do, for onboarding women into web 3, both Natasha and Deena have their own day jobs. Tina works at the seller Foundation, which many listeners are familiar with yet when the Sun goes down and there, the 925 is over. They are all about boys club and onboarding women into web 3. So if you are a lady who's looking to make, lady friends to onboard yourselves and your other lady friends into it.
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Of boys club. Welcome to Banquets. How you guys
doing doing good. You for having us?
Yeah. So how does the story of boys clubs start? Where did the idea of boys club originated? And why does the world need Boys Club? Let's start with
Dina. Well, honestly, we just see a lot of very smart, very capable women still sort of just watching what's happening and web 3 and crypto from the sidelines. And we wanted to figure out a way
a to give all those women and people in access point. So that's sort of the, the Genesis, or the the founding feeling behind Boys Club. It actually won't add anything. I mean, we're Boys Club started is really a poolside in Vegas. So it's a very good beginning. I, I mean, the dynamic between Dean and I didn't, and I've been business partners for a long time, and really good friends, and like, totally obsessed with each other for a while and then the dynamic in our
Jep had always been or like for the past few years has been Dina super into crypto talking about it all the time just constantly and continually telling me you've got to get into it. You've got it so much is happening. Like this is for you and me just being like I love it for you. Really cool, but not for me like not my vibe just like not for me. And so that was also the dynamic and then we were on the strip in Vegas and it was right around the same time that
Like a lot culturally in my world started to happen with crypto like in ftes and dowse and like all these sort of projects popping off. So it was more top of mind and Dino's like we're going to spend three hours and I'm just going to download you unlike what's happening in the space. We're going to look through some decks. We're going to go to crypto Twitter. We love the discords and like I'm going to really brief you on like what I think is happening here. What I think the opportunity is for you and I was just like totally sold at the end of it. I was like, okay.
In like, what is it? Crypto? People say I'm crypto pills, like I was like, okay, I'm ready for this. And so I was totally excited about it. But I also felt like this major urgency around it to like, bring all of my friends into it. Like, all of my peers who, as demons that are like, totally sitting on the sidelines of what's happening. And also, give them a better sense of like, what the opportunity is for them, and why it's important. So, that's sort of where it began. And, and I think for us,
It was really clear that that social Moment Like That, in-person interaction of someone you really trust downloading you on, why? This is important that you're involved. And what is happening is really special. And I think for a lot of the women in my life, I know a sort of required to get them to understand why they should care about web 3 and why they should care about crypto. So, there's a lot more I could say, but I don't know. Do you know if you have anything to add to that? Yeah. I think I mean to sort of pick.
I cannot like it was really the driving inside. It was like man for a lot of people for a lot of women like this learning needs to happen in community and for Natasha that made the most sense like IRL and for other folks like maybe that can transcend online as well. But like either way, whatever the access point is like, it needs to happen in a space where you feel like you can ask questions. You can get stuff wrong. Like I have a lot of one-on-ones with the women in our community.
Immunity and they're sort of this shared sentiment where they're like, I feel like too much time has passed and I have like really foundational questions about what's happening here that like I'm too nervous to ask now and so they see boys club is really a way to like just have the space to ask whatever and talk about whatever and know that they're not going to get like shamed or judge. Like we cherish everyone like wherever they are in the journey and that's really like a defining value for us.
So Natasha, what you were talking about, I think is pretty Universal because everyone wants to get their friends and family into crypto. It's very much of like, yo, this thing's real and I just need to find the right words in the right like way to navigate this, to get you to also believe that it's real. And at some point in time. I kind of think that everyone will have that moment and that's been my experience with, you know, being frustrated about trying to get my friends into crypto and they just don't see what I see. But also, I would imagine it's a
Lately additional hurdle with women, just because there is just a different dispositions in different Dynamics about how ladies might approach this space, especially when like first off Computer Sciences is heavily male dominated and then also Finance is heavily male dominated. And I've always had like this thesis as when you combine those two, it doesn't get like linearly more male dominated. It gets like exponentially more male dominated. So like how have you guys helped like try to like navigate the Waters of onboarding?
I mean into web 3 and and what tricks have you learned that has worked
out? Yeah, I mean totally I think that for me it was always really layered in like gaming culture and like meme culture and a lot of stuff that I just like didn't get or wasn't involved in and like that was sort of like the overarching layer on top of like all this other stuff like computer science and finance that are not like my primary thing. And so there was so much to sort of like work.
Through to try to get to what was happening in this space. And I think that that has been sort of universally true as we talked to women and on-boarded them to web three and I think like what has been really successful is talking about stuff that were into and pulling it back into what's happening in crypto, like doing the Kardashians in web through like where did the Kardashians make sense in the crypto verse and like that? Like seriously Landing for people?
like texts and like DMS being like, this is the first time that I like understand what the metaverse is and I'm like, yeah, it's Calabasas like that whole thing has like been really successful and like, it's us, layering it with like skin care and pop culture and things that like, I'm into in Dina's into and like, a lot of my friends like and have that, like, click like aha moment for the people in our community and that's yeah, really different than I think when I was looking at these, like, crypto Twitter and just four channels, and all this stuff that
Was Dina was showing me. I was just like man this is not layered in my language. Like this isn't speaking to me and so finding like ways to produce content and education and explanation around this in a way that is culturally relevant, I guess to me and my friends Dina, don't add anything to that. Yeah. Well, I just echoing what? Natasha says I think that the language and how everything is coated. It's subtle but it makes it's an instant read for someone.
To judge whether or not a spaces for them or not. And I think that I'll just speak for me, personally, like, sports metaphors, Finance, metaphors, like, just don't land for me. And so I think like us finding new ways to talk about some of these Concepts and crypto and drawing them into again, things that were interested in is, has been really effective. And I also think that there's another Insight, which is totally Universal, which is like,
Giving people really wide surface area of exposure to different things that are happening in crypto and around web 3 and letting like everyone's sort of way into web 3 is different. Right? Like Natasha is really interested in art like the conversation around and of teas and ownership and Providence. Like all that is going to really appeal to her. You know, some of my friends are more into like the D5 protocols. Once they get into it like that is the thing for them. Like for me it's something else and so I think like one thing that we found a lot of success
Swift is like when we're having conversations with beginners and we're having conversations with people that were on horning. It's like we want to expose them really why we want to cast a really wide net of like cryptos. An enabling technology. It's only as interesting as it is as the sort of content you bring to it, right and as the sort of direction that you decide to take it. And so I think like letting people sort of explore different aspects of it and find their little lane or their little niche or they'll spark has been really huge for us. Yeah, and I think one thing I want to add to that is like
a lot of conversations we have, and
A lot of things that we talked about on it, like Dean and I as we think about, boys club is like, there's a lot obviously happening in crypto. There's so much Innovation. That's really exciting. But a lot of times there for women, they're looking around and they're thinking, none of us is like, interesting to me. None of this speaks to like the things that I like, or enjoy or like. I don't know what podcast to listen to because it's not talking about the other stuff that I'm into and my like response to that is like yes because
Has these things have been primarily built and deployed and communicated by men and they're not made by women and that's why it's so urgent that you joined boys club that you get on board into what's happening that you get into web three because your input is so vital to what's being built right now and like your creativity and design and thoughtfulness and interests are required for this space to be interesting to more people. And that was it for me when I had that conversation with Deena. Like my
My lightbulb moment. Like it felt so important for me to participate in this in some way because I knew. Okay. If I don't it will be all of these decisions around how dowser formed how power is distributed how the financial system is built in the future are going to be decided by the same sort of cast of characters that has always been decided by. And it's sort of like on me at this point with an understanding of how
Fall this technology is and how powerful this movement is to build products and services in communities that speak to a broader audience and speak to a female audience to bring them into what is happening. And so I think that like giving the people in our community and women the understanding of like, yes, you look around and you're not really that interested. You're like, I don't know, maybe this nft project like maybe this social Dow and I'm like, come in and build the
Thing that you're into and like then you'll bring more people that are like you and that are like-minded. And so for me that was like that's been really important and a huge part of like what makes me excited about what we're
building. I think the timing of when boys club emerged makes a lot of sense too. Because during 2018 2020 that we didn't really have this nft phenomenon. We didn't really have web three web three was kind of a lost term and what we really had were people that were really good at spending.
Like 16 hours in their basement on Discord. And that activity is not an activity. I would associate with with ladies ladies, don't like to be in their basements are staring at their laptop. For 16 hours, a day, ladies are far more social and crypto started become really, really social towards the end of 2020 2021. That's kind of when we actually started to form a cultural identity for ourselves something that we never had during the bear market. And we may be briefly had during 2017, but it was
terrible because there's all icos. So I think there's actually no coincidence. That something like the boys club has come about during the time where there's actually like a culture and a Vibe here. Yeah, rather than just like a bunch of libertarian basement
dwellers. Well, I got that and say, as someone who tried to build a product for women that was in market, so I built a Bitcoin wallet that was designed for a teenage girl. So, I've always been really passionate about the since I've got into her phone around 2017, like really passionate about finding,
Ways to make the space. More accessible. Finding the access point. I built a wallet and launch it in 2018. And man. Yeah, no one cared, absolutely. No one cared and it was nothing, but it was not the thing all. But yeah, I think I think times are much more interesting right now. And I think people are like, starting to see what the opportunities are starting to be curious. At least what the opportunity is for themselves in this. So I want to
learn for myself and also for the listeners, what does a day in the life of
His Club look like just like if somebody's in scored or the groups are. I know you guys have a lot of emphasis on in real life. Meetups. Yeah. For people that are for if the, the boys club curious and the ladies out there who are perhaps potential members of the boys club. What does a day in the life of boys club look
like? Yeah, so I can answer this just because I just came off of a couple of calls that I think will be interesting. So first of all, like we're perfect for wherever you are in your journey, like, if you're totally green, just starting like, we cherish you, we can't.
Wait to help you and to like hug you, and to figure this out with you, but we're also like, there are women. There are a lot of women, our community that are like dabblers, or looking to Pivot professionally. And so, there's resources within boys club that are actually becoming much more demand around like, recruiting and conversations about, like, what does it mean to move into web, three, more professionally, and more permanently. And then also, we have like a few Stone Cold Pros that are in the group and like,
I'd say at any point in wherever women are in their Journey. Like the only thing that we ask is that you come with a generosity to help the other people in the group, sort of learn and that you're curious to sort of figure it all out with us, because we certainly don't have it figured out like, we're totally just learning alongside everyone else. So make no claims to be to be Pros. So, day in the life. I just got off a call. So we have Community calls with women who want to connect and to talk and
and the one that we just had, which is a problem that we were just all starting to troubleshoot in the Discord was, we did a tutorial for pool together. So we love pool together. We on our last Town Hall. We were like, okay, we're all going to jump in together. We're going to do this. No lost savings. It's awesome. It's a great like lower risk activity, for people who are like just getting started. And we got everyone set up on Dharma. We're all jumping in and then we find out Dharma is getting acquired. There's sun setting the wallet. So there
Like a little Panic moment where everyone to know to do. So on the one on one call. We are trying to figure out what she should do. And then we jumped into the Discord and got some advice from someone around sort of like how we how we move everything around. So that's like on a regular day. And then we also do events. We have a lot of events coming up. I'll let Natasha at speak to this. Yeah, so we have a lot of events upcoming. I would say that it's been really cool that are sort of core premise is events and like in-person activities, but there's been all of these like, very
Nick Gatherings that are happening that have been so fun. We're like once a week, at least, there's something happening. Where like the boys girls are getting together and doing something fun, like getting, you know, natural wine and pizza or like going to a talk at the Williamsburg Hotel. So those are happening all the time and it was really fun. This past Monday. We went to one at the Warrensburg Hotel, our friend, Evan was speaking and we got there and I was like, wow, there's a lot of like a lot of women here and so many of them.
We're coming up to me. And they're like, are you Josh? Like, I'm a boy stuff and I was like, oh my gosh, it's amazing. And like share chatting. And they're just like a group of like women that just kept like multiplying. And this woman comes up to me and she's like, what's going on, like, where you guys from? We're chatting. And she was, like, I was here last weekend. There were only Jews here. Like, what is happening? I was like, God has been the Discord like it's happening. So that felt like a lot of validation, for me personally. I was like, this is really great. So that's been really fun. And then our in-person events that are like are true like community events that are
onboarding at Mass our word. Our next one is February 9th. And we're doing at the Georgia room hundred women will do like a brief keynote on web three and what's happening and why you should care about it. And then a panel of like total rock stars are going to be Fielding questions and people like texting their questions and they are very, they totally run the gamut, like, it'll be everything from like, what is a wallet? And how do I get it to like, let's talk about taking, like, it's totally
Across the across the gamut. So, it's really cool to see all of those women in the same room. Like yeah, just learning together and caring about this think collectively. And there's also just like, a really fun vibe, like it's a party, like our first event was like, we, it was so Scrappy. It was like, Dean and I and we had rented this venue and they were like, hey, you guys have to leave. And I was literally, like, telling all the girls, like, you guys like, please leave, like we have paid for very small window and you're like really pushing it out. So there, it's a really fun, fun atmosphere.
Sphere and just a good, hang it.
So I wanted to ask the meta question. Like what actually is it? Is it like a social club? I don't think you guys have a token. So it's not a dow. What actually is Boys
Club? So we're wanna be down, we die. We're doing some Dow baby steps right now. We're actually in the sea Club final we're see cup finalists. So we'll learn about that this week. But yeah, being a dad is really important to us and it's 100% the direction that we're headed.
And yeah, we just like we're building this thing alongside a community and we want everyone to share that upside and we're like fully fully committed to that becoming a reality. I think for us. It's just like, is it token? Is it end of Team membership? We're still trying to figure out the logistics of it, but like spiritually, emotionally, physically. We're headed in that direction for sure. Yeah, I think like there's this moment of onboarding where someone is sold there. Like okay I get this I want to be in and then it's like, okay, do I
Like go by eith like what is the thing that like makes you in? And like gets you invested and contributing? And so, for us, that's why I like a doubt was really important because we wanted to build something alongside these women that are sort of like onboarding and getting into it and making sure that they are sharing in the upside of what we're building. And I think for both Dean and I this is not our first thing that we founded. Like we both worked on other projects and we did the thing where we built something.
And put it out into the world and try to put a community around it and realize like, wow, nobody wants to sing. And like this is not good timing. Or this isn't quite right or whatever and with boys club. It was just so it's always been like, let's get community into this thing. Like, let's get a group of women together and figure out what they want and what they need and how we can serve them. And then after that, like figure out what it is and it's like, okay. Yes. This is a social club. This is a wannabe doubt like, that feels very clear to us because the
In in it have really dictated what they what they
want. I think that's very resonant with how crypto works at large, right? Like, hey, let's get all the people together and then we'll decide like what's next rather than deciding. What's next? And trying to get a bunch of people to Rally around it. It seems just part of the inclusive Vibe of this things like yeah. Hey, we know that. We all want to be in the same room, but that's all that we know and like the rest is up to
us. Yeah. I think that there's like a real patients that's needed in designing.
Are the emergence of like, if it's a product studio, right? And we really want some idea to emerge from the community, and we want to be Scrappy about how we validate it. Like we have to be patient and we have to like really sort of like deeply understand the needs and wants and values of this group in order to like effectively build for it. Right? So like that's sort of the work that we're all do everyone in the community is doing now by having those conversations, but going to the meetups like we're all just like trying to like figure each other out and figure out what this thing is, and then I just like,
You have to believe that there will be some point in time where some idea where we're merge were like, okay, I think this is interesting and this is worth putting some weight behind. So like, let's all pool our Collective like social Talent capital resources to like build it together. So that's the hope that's the dream.
So I think I've actually done this interview a disservice by not asking the most obvious question. Why the name Boys
Club? I mean, obviously
Lee is a little tongue-in-cheek, to be like cryptosporidium club and then we were like throwing around some ideas. Like we went back and forth. We almost called it wives and girlfriends because Dina's husband is British and there's like the whole Wags thing. So we almost did that but like wasn't quite landing and we just kept calling a boys club like just texting each other. Like okay. How about boys club that Anna and then finally were like, let's just Boys Club. Let's just do it whatever. So that's kind of yeah, I think also there's like an important aspect.
Effect of like not taking ourselves too, seriously. And having a lot of fun which is like a crucial value for the community and Natasha. And I both personally like it's like fun. We're having a good time. It's not a serious thing and that felt like really well distilled in the name. So we're excited when it sort of started to land. Yeah. We had been working on a travel startup before this and it was just so, like, branding wise. Like, it was everything had to be like very elevated. Very clean like, super crisp.
And branding is like my world and what I like to do and like it was just so very stressful around like what we were putting out there. And so boys club was just a truly creative Outlet of just like let. Yeah, that's a great. Let's do that. Lets up that on. Let's put it out. And like what made us laugh? Like what makes us feel like the internet is like fun and which is so crypto. And so, when it came together and like, we got this logo together, and we push it out there. Like honestly, it's been such, a snowball of, like, a thing that's happened. But everything has come from this.
Of just like, how is this fun for everybody? How is there like humor and all of the things that we're doing? So, I feel like the name sort of fits that whole vibe.
I think it's great. I was talking to Ryan early today and he's like, yeah, dude. That's one of the best names in cryptography. So while growing out and scaling the organization, both in like just numbers of individuals, but also Vibes, because scaling Vibes is also very important. Like what lessons have you guys learned? Like what works, what doesn't work and have you guys like taken a leaf out of any other organizations, that
Are also trying to work on this
effort. I mean, yeah. Something we're thinking a lot about is like, how do you we are very like, brand Centric. And how do you have, like, a brand Centric Dow where you have, like all these contributors and all these people working on different projects and different aspects of what we're putting out into the world. And it's like a very present question, and top of mine every day, Dina, like, loves to joke that I'm like, very bossy and Taipei in like it's been a real stretch for me, where I'm like, okay, other people just like doing their thing.
This is what this is and so that has definitely been a learning curve. Like how do we Empower Community to take the spirit of what we're doing and make sure that it remains consistent in everything that we're doing. Like, as demon talks about like a generosity of spirit in like every channel and platform that we're doing like, whether it's a Twitter space, whether it's an in-person valve, whether it's like a blogger newsletter, like making sure that there is like a welcome nests in which we're talking about these topics. So we are learning a lot about how to do that and how to equip people.
Because everybody at this point who's joining has been attracted to boys club because of some element of what we're doing. Whether it is the humor and like the Good Vibes or whether it is that openness and generosity. Like so we want, the everybody who is contributing is invested in keeping that as we scale. So yeah, it's an open question that we're so really trying to figure out sure is. But there's I mean so many people are working on inclusivity in the space and making crypto a more diverse Community, which is amazing. And there's so many
Any projects that we look at every day and are inspired by and like web 3. Familia is amazing and 40 acres dabao and chief. I and what through baddies like there's all these really incredible communities that we want to celebrate and think what they're doing is incredible in like we're by no means. The only people doing this in some way. So we definitely look to them and are inspired by the work that they're doing.
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One thing I want to know is when you guys are on boarding women into web 30. Is there something that always comes up that wouldn't have come up if it was dudes.
So it's maybe not always the same exact question, but it's this has similar behavior that I see a lot with women, which is that they come across a term or concept or an idea. So and then this happened to me personally, it was whatever 2014 I was reading.
Talk about Bitcoin and I came across the term Mining. And I was like, I was like underground with a pickaxe and a shovel. Like, I was like, could not get it through my thick head. Like, what were we talking about here? What it was mining? Excuse me. I do not does not compute. And so I came across that and I was like this isn't for me. I loves I can't get here. I'm like, this is not for me, set it aside and I left just a phenomenal amount of money on the table and the factory. Not like just the amount. Like I just can't actually can't think.
Bout it. Like I have to, I cannot think about it makes me start to sweat but I do see that like in in the conversations that we're having, like there's this thing where people get stuck on an idea or concept and it does happen a lot with mining. Like I gotta admit like that is one that definitely gets people sort of freaked out. And I think for women in particular, like there's this sense that they have to understand everything that's happening completely in order to be able to participate in
Happening and like part of like what we've been trying to do is like just over and over again, be like, it's cool. Just set it aside. Like you'll come back to mining in a couple days or a couple months or years or maybe you'll come back to it and you'll never understand it and like, that's okay and like just sort of that mental shift of being able to like, have the flexibility to be like, okay. I don't fully understand what like this liquidity pool thing is, but I'm going to keep persevering past it and like it's going to be there.
There and like, that's okay. And I can still be. Here is something that like is the number one message that we try to get out to people and in one were speaking to them.
Yeah, I would imagine like, crypto is associated with risk, right? And men are historically like the big Risk Takers, right? We are able to put more on the table than ladies and I would imagine that that is partly what kind of what's going on here. Where is kind of All or Nothing. A crypto is very All or nothing. And if you're not ready to give it your all then, like sometimes crypto like chews, you up and spits you out, but that's not actually.
True. Yeah, maybe it once was back in, like the very early days, but as crypto develops, more and more, and more, like, people are able to like more specialized. It really just fine corners of the industry that they only care about this. Exactly. And like, at this point in crypto. Like you actually don't have to know about mining at all. I would say is that. Yeah. Yeah, and that's becoming more and more true every
day. I think that there's like enough in like art and music and like philanthropy. There's enough really interesting little things that like, I do think that people
Are able to find their moment, but we just got to, you know, get them there. Yeah, it was really funny. We were talking to one of our contributors the other day and she was like, yeah, I was talking to this dude and he was like he went to Penn and all this pain buddies like have a Discord Channel where they just like share like essentially like deal float. Like in Ft drops and stuff like that and she was like, they're just making like so much money. Like, how can we like bring that into boys club? Like I wanted it and I was and we're chatting through it and one of the things I said was
Yeah, I think part of that is just like a dude thing. We're like dude, you gotta get in. You gotta do it. You gotta do it where I'm like, I would never ever tell my friend. Like buy it right now. You got it. Like I would always be like if you like the project if it speaks to you, if you think it's beautiful. Like there's just sort of this lightness around it like this real like got to get just consent and like just think about it with women that like is different and like I want to like in some ways protect that but I also have like push past that a little bit because
Cuz there's a lot of opportunity for you here. Yeah, it does
fomo land differently with women than it does with boys.
I mean, I have the worst case of fomo on the world like everybody who knows me knows that it's so strong. So I don't know. That's maybe why I'm doing this. But yeah, I think it's not quite it's not quite as like palpable in our Discord as it is in some of these other discords that I'm a part of where you see people just like lose their mind. I don't we'd never
Still like hysteria levels, which I've seen elsewhere. And I'm sorry.
So, what do women have that the crypto industry really? Really needs
what a question. Honestly, like, I think part of it. There's definitely like the social element that I feel really excited about. Obviously. That's why we're doing in person events. And I think like, when I was listening to your podcast a few days ago about like the metaverse and something that I'm a
She's really trying to wrap my head around. So I'm just like, I have no interest in going to an online Cafe. Like I just like I know it's so much more than that, but I'm just like what is this? Like what's happening here? And I think like for me what I'm excited about is like what what does this technology enabled that allows for like more connection and more community and in person experiences that are like elevated and encouraged.
I the technology that's being built and I think there's some things that are doing some, obviously, there's some projects that are doing that, and there's people who are thinking about that and like I think of like Friends with Benefits, obviously has figured out this, like, amazing way to bring this technology into something that's very social. And for me, that's what's exciting. And what I think women can bring that's like, missing in some ways and like, obviously, I'm speaking very broadly, but I think having more experiences that are in real life that
Breed connection with one another and more memories and moments that are really stick with you and how you bring value to those through crypto and through the things that are happening and in the space, I think is what I want to see more of. And I think what women can bring to the table, but I don't know. Do you know what would you say? Yeah, I think the bigger question. I mean, I think for me, it's actually, like, not about women. It's just about more people. It's just about more people from different backgrounds, with different sets of experiences that
I have different values. Like I just, I want to see more folks sitting around the table and like, you know, women like we can speak to a certain type of women really well, but like, it doesn't stop there, like it by no means. And so I think like, it's just like, it's just more. This is more people, more experiences like because that like no matter what creates a richer future for all of us to be living in. And honestly, like Natasha was saying earlier, like, we're making decisions now, like, decisions are being made now.
Now, people are building products people designing products, that like, we're going to be living in, in, like two minutes. And I think, like, just like trying to get more people in this design process for what is web, three. What is the matter? First, like is so critical. So crucial and like the sort of money and power aspect of it aside, like, of course, I think that that's, I want that to start flowing around to the table as well. But like, it's almost even
Deeper than that, where it's like, men like does give me our life and like, we gotta get some folk other folks in to help us figure out what that looks like. One last thing I would say is just like, more fun. Like yeah, this is so serious all the time. And when I, how can we just make it a little bit more fun?
As definitely something. I got extremely fatigued throughout like 2018 and 2019. Like, I was waiting for crypto to become fun again. Yeah, and it took a while for that to happen and I would have to say it became really, really fun.
Fun. When all of these like, in real life events started happening. Yeah. I didn't really notice it until after the fact, but like 2018 2019. I got through the bear Market by hanging out inside of this one Discord, which I am now reflecting on. There's one lady in that like 40 to 50 person. Discord and then I've gone out to all of these in real life events mainly in New York. And the number of web 3 power ladies that I've met are off the charts. Like I've met more lady friends and I have dude friends while going to all these in real life.
Life events, and that's actually how I came to learn about boys. Club is because I met all the ladies that are in boys club. And so I do have to say, like the discovery of all the web, three power ladies is happened around the same time. We're crypto became a lot more fun. Another question I have for you guys, is what's one thing about the crypto industry, just like really just rubs you. The wrong way is like, oh God, it's this thing again. I hate this. Get this out of my
face. Hmm. I think this is true for a lot of
Well, but like the sort of tribalism of it, it's something that, like, I don't love and like I it's a, it's part of why that like the curve starts Witter is so valuable for me like professionally personally financially, but like spiritually and emotionally, I find a lot of the conversations, like, I have a lot of feelings about a lot of the conversations that I see and I think it's like rooted from this. Like
Sort of herd mentality thing that, yeah, I don't love, but it's a, it's a that's that's me. But I know that's, like, sort of shared by a lot of people. I don't think that that's like a very interesting Insight. One of our unit, Asha. She's newer. So she has a fresher perspective. It's just maybe when I really like the dunking on somebody is just like, so I hate it. I'm just like, what is the point of this like that? That was like, a lot of my
Experience on Twitter. I was just like, okay this seems like so much. A part of the culture is like dunking on somebody and like I just don't really understand when so much about this is like a bat. Like the the heart of it is like financial inclusivity and like a path forward for us all and then to be just like got you. I'm just like that. Didn't, it doesn't click for me.
Do you know if you were the one interviewing the Tasha or vice versa? What question would you ask? We'll start with Dina?
I would ask Natasha what has surprised her the most about her journey in web, three over the past few months was the most surprising aspect of it for you. I mean,
My whole experience of web 3 has been with boys club. So, like it's impossible to separate those two things. And I think how much it's working like that has truly shocked me. Like, I thought we were going to the original idea for boys club was literally like let's bring 10 of our friends on my roof and like have a Jacuzzi report. I might pull up and down deck and like go through it and be like you should get into this. Like, that was what it was and it
Just worked like so much of it has just clicked for people and I've been floored by that and I have worked on like us having had a start-up and just everyday, you're trying to get people to be excited about what you're doing. Like that is the work of every day. And when it's not working, it is so hard and you know it every day. You're like nobody cares. I'm listening.
And then when it's working like the shift the gear shift has felt so extreme that I've been really surprised by it and like it speaks a hundred percent to the incredible people that are a part of boys club and like the women that are participating and just have such a warmth to share with one another and like, it's not any credit to what Dean and I are doing. I think is just a need that is right place, right time and like right people who are excited about it. So that has honestly,
I've been really shocked by
that Natasha. What would you ask?
Dina, Dina? I want you to talk about like, what got you into Krypton the first place? Like I feel like it's so much, a part of who you are. So, what was interesting to you about crypto? What was like, your aha moment. Well, the first thing, what? Got me like my hook was so sweet and 17. It was like altcoin bad day trading. So the behavior was basically gambling. I was basically
gambling and doing it very badly, losing money. Like I was not good, but there's just so much price action that was happening. At that time that I was like man hoof. This is how I want to get into that. So I started there but it you know, you fall down the rabbit hole. As if one says fell down the rabbit hole for me. It was Bitcoin at first and I was learning about it and just felt so inspired and excited by what a new money that was being built from the ground up, with a new set of values with the helm like what that could mean.
For things, like Financial inclusion and banking, the unbanked. So that was the thing for me that got me just really Juiced and at the same time like 2017 Lambos in front of crypto conferences like it was a different period And I was also just sort of recognizing that there was a systemic issue around access and accessibility for frankly the folks who I felt could benefit from it the most. So that's like the sort of
My mission, and that was my mission. And that's why I started that first company. And that's what I see through with boys club today, but I'm just so excited by just building new acts. It's like, there's this huge amount of wealth and power that's being transferred, like, huge. Huge were all saying. It's running right before our eyes and like, I just want to create spaces to ensure that like, we're not just like copying pasting the same hierarchies of wealth and power is exist with traditional systems onto crypto on to what's happening now. And
That's sort of like my reason for being. That's my mission. Great question, Natasha you.
So I'm sure you guys are faced with this scenario, a lot and each scenario is obviously different. But when you are talking to the crypto curious, ladies of web three, who are trying to get into the space and perhaps they say something along the lines of, oh, I don't think this is for me. Obviously, the answer as to why it's for, you is very, very unique to every single individual. But if you're just meeting for this person for the first time, maybe you've only talked to them for five.
Or ten minutes and they've already given you. The I don't think this is for me line. What do you say next?
I mean, usually I ask like why do they feel that way? And honestly most of the time it's rooted in experience that made them feel stupid. Like they did something, they felt dumb and then they thought oh this I gotta go like I'm not going to do this and I feel like that's been so much of our community calls are basically therapy total where people are like, I feel really dumb, like, can I ask you this question?
In or like I had this experience online or in person or listening to something and it's like I'm doing that work first, because I think people are clouded by that negative experience. And so I would say more often than not like that's been what has happened. And they've sat at a dinner party where bunch of dudes, who know, very little about crypto are talking about crypto and they're like, oh, they get it. I'm like, I've been at those dinner parties and I've been, like, we don't know. I know what's going on in your actually.
Wrong. And I'm like, that's that's just a shared experience that I think a lot of women have and makes them feel left out and and it makes it really hard for them to want to participate in any way. I also think like money so emotional and it's also like it can be so taboo to talk about between women. And I think one thing that people have found really powerful and empowering in being in community and Boys Club, and talking about money, and crypto, whatever, all the stuff that's happening.
There's like there's a freedom to it in the community that they don't find elsewhere in their lives. Like there's it is what it is. We're talking about what we're talking about. It's money. Basically, it's all these other things, of course, as well. But like that, we've all sort of opted in to have this conversation with each other. Like there's this sort of Freedom there that I think is a big unlocked for people, but I do agree with the Tasha like, 95% of the community calls like we're talking about feelings.
We're talking about emotions. Like, I actually have my notes right here today. Someone use the phrase deep-seated fear. They're talking about deep-seated fears of me. And I was like, I'm here for it. I can't wait to have this conversation with you. Like I'm hundred foot, like, this is a lot, but we're going to go there, like, we're going to do it together. So, yeah,
so, in the future, when boys club is maximally successful, and it's fulfilled. All of his hopes and dreams. What does it look like?
You tell him? Take this, you know, like we're creating a space.
Where women can have more money and more power, like what that means, their projects being funded, whether that means giving them investment opportunities, whether that means them just participating in our community and sharing in the upside of what's Happening. Like, that is the goal like women helping women win is, like, all of this is about and like we're doing that because we believe that crypto is the way to it and like, everything that's happening in this space is the most direct path, but I want to see like whether you are
Are an artist who is seeing an opportunity for yourself to actually sustain your living through an ftes, for our community, be the place for you. If you are an entrepreneur who has an idea and you want to make that happen and web three, then I want you to be part of boys club. If you are a teacher who is trying to build wealth for yourself and you do not know how because this is the path that you're on. I want you to join boys club and I want you to be a part of our dowel and share in the upside and like, that is the mission. That's the goal and like it can become. So political when you're like we're doing something for women.
Like barking.
You're doing such a political thing and I'm like, no, I'm not, like, I'm just inviting my friends to the table and hoping that we all like, share and whatever happens next. And so I think for us like there's all these different paths that we could talk about of how we get there. But that's really the heart of it is like seeing a more inclusive version of what is happening in the space of all types of people, but our mission is for women to be at the table,
you know, what is a maximum? A successful version of boys club look
like? Yeah. I think there's actually now that, I mean, I guess my sort of joke.
Okin that is that the paths that are in front of us where we take this next hour and like it's almost like that. There's so much flexibility with what a dow is and how it comes together and how you get people to participate, what type of people you're attracting to participate. Like it's so flexible. That's almost like a challenge, right? Like what decisions do we make in the next couple months in the next couple years that get us to that ultimate end goal, which is a community that is sharing and wealth.
So, yeah, I think we're totally aligned on goals. It's just like the details and execution and how we get there. And so we're thinking a lot about product Studio. As we talked about earlier were thinking a lot about an investment Syndicate but you know, also like sort of our heartbeat is events and community in that way. So yeah, I think there's a lot of open questions about like, where exactly we go next, but directionally that's where we're headed. One of the thing that I feel like we've left sort of out of the conversation in that we're doing, is like curriculum is also
A part of what we're thinking a lot about and like how we tangibly on board, two different protocols and projects and things that are happening in a way that is like really supportive and very different from at least the exposure. I had when I first started getting into this stuff and before our first event, like we put this like thing up on our website. That was like your first thousand dollars in crypto, and it was like just stuff that we were doing and like just to get the ball rolling if they had that.
Moment like here's tangibly like go home and do this and it worked like all the time. People are like in our Discord asking questions about. I'm on lesson to like I'm getting stuck here. Can someone help me and that has been so cool. And like this woman, DM does on Twitter the other day. And I was like, I'm going through it with my mom, and I'm wondering, XY and z and that's perfect. That's so perfect. And so, we're really thinking about how curriculum continues to evolve how we continue to produce alongside all these other things.
Things that are open questions and projects were working on, but that feels really content and curriculum feels really important as well to tangibly. Help people get through the door on on these different
projects. Do you guys have like a memory that you have out of boys club? That just warms your
heart. Oh my gosh, there's so many. I mean, I think one that stood out for me was at our first event, you know, where they are. We do a little Keno. We have a panel and like it's sort of
You know your supers our first event was like we're like beta test again. We're she was ship something fast. We're just like saying I had no idea what the feeling was going to be and this woman came up to me at the end of the event. She was like, so I'm like really uninspired in my current career. I like working whatever and I really want to Pivot to what's happening Christian 13. I know nothing about it. But like this is the path that I want to be on and now she's one of our core contributors in the Dow and like we
We obviously nurtured her through like onboarding her into the space and getting her involved, but like that for me was just really special. I was really special. She's, you know, still on very much on that Journey. But like, I think just like, again, figuring out ways to let people see the opportunity for themselves. And, for this particular woman. It was like she wanted to Pivot professionally. It's not going to always be the case, but that was like, four, especially for a first event was like, okay. I think I get why we're doing this like this. I think we're on the right path.
Or something
man. I truly I mean I do a boys club hang out like once a week so every week I'm like, this is so so awesome. But I think for you like after the first event do not have flown in, we're both saying at 11:00 Howard and I was like doing a staycation and the next morning. We like got breakfast and it truly felt like the day after my wedding where there's just like so much love coming in like text and DM's and like emails and people just being like I am and all these women who had gone to the
This event and texting, their friends and been like, how do I get involved or they had seen it on Instagram? And they were like, I've been looking for something like this and truly that feeling of being like, wow, that's so there's so much impound, excitement around this thing that felt like the first like, oh, this worked. And that was really amazing. And that sort of like Network effect of like 60 people were at that first dinner, but they all went all their friends about it. And then all of them are like, do you guys have a telegram? And that experience was really special, because
Many of the women at that first dinner, like my close friends, like my like buddies who are like, oh, I'm really excited about what's happening and I've been sort of like too scared to ask these questions. So that was a really special, like just eating a croissant at eleven. Howard going through some hands on Instagram, was a really good
moment. So through all the other Dow leaders or industry leaders or people that work in the space are listening to this. How can they support Boys Club?
Yeah, first we'll get in touch. We, I had it.
Conversation yesterday with Russell from 40 acres, Dow and it was amazing because it was like we're struggling with first of all like building so many of the similar things and also struggling with a lot of the same questions. So it's like I think there's like four specially Community dowels, like I feel like there's like some knowledge sharing and transfer that like, can be happening and we're so like, primed and would love to do that with anyone and have a lot to offer but also I think can can learn clearly a lot.
As well, so I think it's like, that's something that we're really excited about collaborating with other Dows and sharing some of these. Like, what are the pain points around like, onboarding people at scale? Like, how are we doing this? And also preserving the vibe? Like Natasha said, like, that's a really big open question and like, we don't reinvent the wheel. Every time. Like we can share some stuff, especially when it's like a community-centric doubt. It's like sort of thinking, about the same thing. So I think that, that is a big one for us, and I also think that, like, we're starting thing about product.
So as that becomes interesting for as that's interesting to other people like definitely getting touched and like we want to build for a community and then like sponsorship dollars. We're doing an event Newark. We're doing an event. See we're doing event La. Where do you even Austin? Like come on down, write us a check for those logos all over. I'm sure whatever you want to work with you all. It was a our mission Partners. Yeah forms, of course we have
Hall and publix.com, both perfectly Mission line. It's amazing. They're incredible. And yeah, we're looking for folks that, you know, clearly show the same values. So
it's you guys put a big emphasis on in real life. Meetups. What cities does Boys Club really have like strong? Like prominence in?
Yeah, New York for sure, obviously. And then Los Angeles San Francisco. London. We got like a bunch of London. London babes a lot of London Games. Yeah, Miami. Oh, we're doing another event in Miami. So those are the car.
Main hubs that we're seeing come together and truly like as people are starting to form around that were like creating channels in our Discord for them to hang out. And it's been cool to see, like a few days ago was like, oh there's a ton of San Francisco people like people asking for that. And so obviously, as that grows, that will continue to expand. But those are really like the main cities that we're seeing boys club take hold. And I think that sort of network effect around events. I know will be true as we continue to do more events in other cities, so I anticipate
Hit that as we do that. We'll see that sort of like spark of a new community
Forum. So for the women that are listening who are already Boys Club pilled, how can they find the
boys club Boys? Club dot VIP and there's a big button that says enter the chat and basically just come in. He felt an application and then we'd get in touch and send me the Discord link. So definitely come one come all. We're designed intentionally for women and non-binary people, but we are, well.
Coming to also like if you feel moved by our message, then and you've got Good Vibes like it's crucial that The Vibes are good, right? You're welcome boys club.
So well, Dean and Natasha. Thank you guys for coming onto thankless. I've had a fantastic time. Learning all about boys
club. Thank you so
much.
