On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness podcast.
If covid could be magically transmitted by people with no symptoms. It would be the first respiratory illness in the history of medicine, where that's the case, whether or not someone's received a vaccine. Once they've have covid-19. The vaccine has failed to do, what it's supposed to do. So there's been multiple calls to the, to authorities to shut down these vaccine programs because of the, the unacceptably, high rates of death.
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Podcast guest today, if you've been following some of the science behind covid and and the vaccination debate and all the chatter that's been going on surrounding that. He's an internist. He's a cardiologist and he's an epidemiologist. His name is dr. Peter McCullough, and I practice has an internal medicine, the management of common infectious diseases and cardiovascular complications of viral infections and particularly injuries. Developing after the covid-19 vaccine.
He lives in Dallas and he's kind of been all over the media, all over the news lately. I has lots of peer-reviewed Publications on the infection and he also has a few notable papers out there. He was recently on The Joe Rogan podcast and that seems that at least at that was a few days ago. And it seems that that has kind of blown up of late and has gotten a lot of a lot of media notice. And Peter has the blowback from that been, I had. I mean I
Know that you are pretty prolific, on a whole bunch of platforms prior to that. But, you know, Joe Rogan has a pretty popular show of you. Notice that the, the attention on you or what you're doing is has kind of been even more magnified, since that particular
interview.
Well, thanks for having me on the show. And as a practicing doctor, I'm one of the few doctors in the media that see patients is part of my regular work duties through the week, about half the time seeing patients half the time and scholarship as an author editor, a researcher now, news commentator, Joe Rogan was a terrific experience. It turns out. He's a very nice guy, very personable. He had just had covid-19 and he had received really the protocol that I drew up for.
America and for the world in the first publication in the American Journal of Medicine in 2020, and then in reviews in cardiovascular medicine, December 2020. So, Joe is very appreciative. He actually received what's now, the, copyrighted, the McCulloch protocol. So, first time you actually got to meet the person who Mastermind the treatment that he had received. And you know, he turned basically what would have been a 30-day illness who knew about a three-day illness, you know, he communicate with Aaron Rogers and Rogers received. The same thing. We heard now that there's a whole flurry of senators who have
Covid-19 as the vaccines are failing and and I hope they're all receiving early treatment. The reporting relatively mild symptoms, which is wonderful. The hospitals are not overflowing. So I'm hoping now that we've got a good installation of an early treatment framework, a state of mind. Now people understand they can't wait to start treatment when they're three weeks into it in the hospital. We shouldn't be getting these panic calls at this stage. It shouldn't be a surprise. By the way, when someone gets covid-19, the calls need to happen on day.
One in fact, patients by this time should have asked their doctor. Are they ready to treat them when they developed covid-19 at the doctors are not ready. Who do they? Refer to where the monoclonal antibody centers? What are the hours of operation? How did they do the the oral and nasal sanitizing to kill the virus? So they don't spread it around. All these fundamentals. People should have at this point. How many should not be covid-19? Should not be a surprise two years into it. Did you just so you
had a paper that came out kind of outlining what you
Amend for the early treatment, which from what it sounds like you, you know, that. That's what Joe, for example, then you're right, JoJo's a nice guy, but I've actually been on his podcast. I guess the three times now, he's he's fantastic. He's super smart. I think sometimes he sometimes he seems to like play dumb on some of his podcast episodes, just I think get his interviewees to chat. But yeah, he's really smart super nice guy. And and yeah, I remember he put out a video after he got covid about all these things.
You did the monoclonal antibodies Etc. But regarding that protocol is there like like kind of like a lay persons description that protocol or like like downloadable document that somebody could reference regarding what you recommend for early treatment,
share that document was published and posted on the internet. Now, has been downloaded utilized, probably tens, if not hundreds of millions of times, and it is called the home covid-19.
Home treatment guide its offered through the association of American Physicians and surgeons aaps online dot-org. It's also available by the truth for health Foundation Truth for health.org. Go to guides and you can download it. It gives all the information on what needs to be done. Everything from using a David own iodine and dilute peroxide in the nose and mouth to start killing the virus, the nutraceuticals and supplements. What you have over the
Honor, everybody should have a home treatment kit assembled at home from stuff. You buy over the counter, you'll spend probably less than $20 and be ready for covid-19 and then it lists the, monoclonal antibodies. And then the prescription drugs that the doctor will call in in most cases, especially when people over age 50 with medical problems and certainly, all seniors over 65. There should never be a senior citizen that goes without treatment.
You mean prescription drugs like like ivermectin, for example,
Char so, after the monoclonal antibodies, which by the way, are emergency use authorized. We have lily as a combined product called Bammel. If a map combined with purchase of a mab, those two antibodies against the viral. Spike protein, we have regeneron, which has been the Workhorse that's again, an antibody pair. That's Karis if a Madman into the math. And then now, we have the GSK product, which is a single, monoclonal antibody, but it's against the stable part of the spike protein called Sochi.
For many, of which actually has the best overall profile mean, that, that monoclonal antibody alone in a randomized, trial reduced hospitalization and death by 85%. Now, we have the other drugs and the other drugs. I think have a modest impact compared to the monoclonal antibodies, but we use them until we got the monoclonal antibodies, and we still use them. They're partially assist of hydroxychloroquine has overall about a 24 percent risk reduction, that's in a publication that I have with now, actually search engine.
Real Florida, Jolla Depo hydroxychloroquine has over 300 support of studies. And again, it's modestly effective Ivermectin, more effective than than hydroxychloroquine about 60 support of studies. There probably about a seventy percent overall, reduction in events, but need to start early and it's a weight-based dosing. And then outside the United States. There's Favi PR, very for Japan and Russia and other countries as a began. That's pretty modestly effective. That's very similar to the new drug called Monica Pier.
The air that's going to be minus one effective as well. Yeah. Yeah. So then now, the Pfizer, the Pfizer drug, is it? Yeah, the Pfizer drug, just to finish that layer. The Pfizer drug is a pair of drugs. It's a, it's a was called chimeras like three protease inhibitor combined with an HIV protease inhibitor called, ritonavir. And that had very low rates of events in the clinical trials, but still favored strongly, the Pfizer drug. So we have a good layer of oral. Antivirals.
Combine that with azithromycin and doxycycline.
Okay, got it. So these these monoclonal antibodies, you know, there's a guy he actually did, like he did a video after, you got interviewed by Joe Rogan. He goes by zdoggmd does. Ubin Damiana. I think is his name and he was commenting on these these these monoclonal, which are just laboratory produce molecules that kind of act as substitute antibodies to help to mimic the immune.
Systems the attack on cells, from what I understand and you know, he basically had this idea that he was he was skeptical of Therapeutics. He liked vaccines because he said they uses the bot. They use the body's natural immune defenses and and train them and that that these Therapeutics like circumvent what the body does. I try to hack around it. Whereas vaccines kind of prevent disease better than some of these Therapeutics like monoclonal antibodies.
I mean, what's your thought on that this idea that that vaccines would implement the body's natural immune system defenses, better than say, a therapeutic
might. Well, they're two different indications, member of vaccines are used to prevent the occurrence of the disease. That's what the approval is for the vaccines. So whether or not someone's received a vaccine once they've have covid-19. The vaccine has failed to do what it's supposed to do, right? So we're already past the vaccine layer.
So the vaccine is indicated to prevent the occurrence of covid-19. The monoclonal antibodies are indicated to treat active covid-19 illness. So they're two separate indications, the to can't be confused with one another.
Do you think that that pharmaceutical companies are are finding profit in these Therapeutics? Because there's like this whole idea that, you know, almost like a conspiracy theory that that vaccines are going to make pharmaceutical companies a lot of money.
Me. But but from what I understand like these Therapeutics are actually pretty profitable for a pharmaceutical company even more profitable compared to like a vaccination.
Yeah. Well the monoclonal antibodies are expensive to produce. We basically have to get the gene that codes for the antibody, which is a designer antibody and then have it. Fully humanized in a mouse model with the human immune system, and then it has to be transferred into a cell suspension. Typically, a hamster ovary.
Start cranking huge amounts of the antibodies. That's how Humira is made. And that's how proud you went to repair these common, monoclonal antibodies. We use in our practice, you know, every day for other conditions. So the three, monoclonal antibodies for covid-19 involve the same production. So the point is they're expensive to produce. And, you know, I think it's wonderful that they got brought forward through operation warp speed and that they're available. Everyone should just know where to find them. So that we shouldn't have to go through this.
Fire drill every day of, you know, I'm sick. What do I do next? It's like come on. We've had these out now. The monoclonal antibodies came out before the vaccines. Yeah, came out in November of 2020 and their full emergency use authorized. So everybody should just make some phone calls and know what their action plan is. It's a one hour infusion you go and you get a one hour infusion.
Is that like is that like an IV? The
infusion? Yeah. It's like an IV. It's very well tolerated. The only problem I've had I use them every day in my practice. The only problem I've had is when the infusion is rushed too much.
Always tell the patients, don't let the nurses are people rush. You just take an hour and fuse it over our make sure things are okay. And then go home after that.
You mean rush like they like they speed up the drip too
much. They speeded up. They say, oh we'll get it done in 20 minutes and I've had now two cases of serious reactions when it's Rush too much,
really. What? What happens if you rush it
like kind of facial redness, swelling trouble breathing. It's just you just in general we don't on these IV. Infusions. We just don't rush them, the body, accepts them if they
Or over a reasonable period, in our is the standard. And, you know what, the GS K product, it can be used in the label, the emergency use, authorized label all the way down to age 12. So we get every so often will get a teenager with asthma or cystic fibrosis now, and we can use these in these civil severely ill. People. Do you know the kids? The only kids are hospitalized are the ones who receive no treatment. They receive no early treatment and they get really sick at home. They end up in the hospital. We can avoid all that with high-quality Outpatient
Treatment. What's an early?
Light. Like, how early is this? Like the side of the sniffles is this like totally asymptomatic and then they test positive, like what would you consider early to be?
I'm glad you mentioned that, you know, it's very age-dependent in general. So the older someone is, you can almost always predict. They're going to have a rough time with covid. The younger they are. You can almost predict. It's going to be like the sniffles. The problem is for both groups. It starts out as the sniffles. So when right now, if we have somebody in their 80s and they develop some nasal congestion.
Sniffles, we say, listen, get a test and we can even do a home test. They can go to the pharmacy and get the Cove accent test and do a simple antigen test and see if it's positive. If it lights up positive, you don't has the strong positive, predictive value in. Somebody who is symptomatic? We say listen, that's covid-19. Let's start treatment. So what would that be? Like for an 80 year old? It would be a again. We'd immediately start dilute David own iodine nasal washes, and we're talking about a nasal spray spray it up in the nose. Sniff it back and then
It out then cigar girl was scoper Listerine and start doing it every four hours that starts to cut down the nasal viral replication. Then we ask the seniors to take supplements, zinc, 50 milligrams, Elemental zinc, vitamin D, five thousand, international units, that's prevention. We go up to 20,000 units a day in active treatment, vitamin C 3000 mg Coricidin 500 milligrams, twice a day and then we add an over-the-counter antihistamine and tested called famotidine or Pepcid a team.
Mg a day, so that layer, we can start right away because everybody's going to have this at home in their covid, emergency kit. So everyone's ready to go at home. That's the idea is be prepared. We're two years into this. No one should be surprised if they get covid-19. No one should be scrambling. They day. They get a positive test. They should know what they should do. Yeah, so we have that we have that list of really important. It's preparation. You can imagine my phone is blowing up every day with people who are panicking. It's like listen, we're two years into this. We've we've
You know US Senate testimony on this twice, we're going to have the sir third set of testimony in January. We have home treatment guys. We've got, you know Nation for National telemedicine Services, 15 Regional telemedicine Services. We've had innumerable online, seminars, and and Etc. So this is everyone should be prepared. Then after that layer of nutraceutical supplements, the 80 year old, would get the monoclonal antibody infusion. It's my experience if I get the monoclonal antibody infusion. Like on day. One or two then.
We can Skip hydroxychloroquine. And Ivermectin. I simply add some doxycycline to cover the or azithromycin to cover the bacterial part of the, the sinus infection and bronchitis and that we use inhaled budesonide. That's a steroid. It's proven in a randomized trial to reduce hospitalizations Risk by 80% alone. We use oral colchicine and anti-inflammatory for a full 30 days proven in a huge clinical trial called the cold Corona trial, over 4,000.
Patience, double-blind randomized, placebo-controlled, super high quality study. So we know we got culture scene. We use aspirin throughout as a blood, thinner 325 milligrams a day for an 80 year old. I'd consider that a continue that for 90 days, reduce the risk of late heart attack or stroke as well. And then on day 5 or pulmonary symptoms, we use prednisone, which is a common steroid. We'd use for asthma or for emphysema. And then, the only question left now is blood thinners. So, the last call I had
Had, which was about five minutes before I came on was an 80 year old. And we went through all the drugs. I talk to the daughter and she goes, well, she's already on a blood thinner called Eliquis for atrial fibrillation. I said fine, you got that covered.
So then you wouldn't put her on a tan. I
aspirin. No, I'd go ahead and use both right now because we know that covid-19 is this is the most thrombogenic condition we have right now. The call I just had before that somebody was on a blood thinner, or we used to blood thinner and we added esperan as well, the lead blood thinner for really sick.
This is actually Lovenox and we do sit in a milligram per kilogram dose every 12 hours. But what I've described for you is about four to six drugs. It's called the McCulloch protocol. It is it's called sequence, multi drug therapy. It has been a standard. Now going on, for over a year. It's used in different formats throughout the United States. American should be reassured that while I was working with my teams of doctors, mainly Italian u.s. Collaborators. Dr. Peter couri and palm Eric were working in.
The flcc group separately from us, they arrived at similar conclusions. They have slightly different protocols called, I math and math plus. Dr. Divya rheault was working separately in Marseille France, as well as Vladimir's like, oh they came up with an approach that again, same principles slightly. Different combinations. People should be reassured that early treatment does work the papers by rheault, by zelenko, and by Procter, here in Dallas show.
Even with our earliest simplest, protocols, 85 percent reductions in hospitalization and death. I think with the monoclonal antibodies. Now, the other things I mentioned, we should have a very rare case that would need to be hospitalized.
Yeah, you know, but back in December of 2019. I went to India like like just as there were a couple stories coming out about covid and I got lucky in that I you know, just basically made myself my own first aid kit for travelling to India, you know, I bought like 25 of those in
85 masks back when they were far less expensive than there are now due to demand. And, you know, had had my whole first aid kit very similar to what you've actually described. Although I didn't have mono Connells or anything like that. You know, I I had Ivermectin, I had, I had peptides, I add hydrogen, peroxide will travel nebulizer and I had the whole kit and so, so got lucky in the in that I had all that stuff at the house and in my travel kit and and managed to actually get out of India, just in the nick of time, you know, they were starting to kind of
Shut stuff down. But one of the things I was this this nebulizer, you know, I still have it. I've got on my desk and you're talking about the, the nasal wash you ever mess around with the nebulizer as an alternative to something like
that. Yeah, I like the idea of a nebulizer. Go ahead and nebulize dilute hydrogen peroxide, put a few drops, a little coils iodine L ug o LS iodine in it. That's a blue bottle. You get on Amazon for about five bucks. And if it stings it's too strong, make it more dilute and nebulize it and
Sniff it up in the nose. And, and what you do is you kill the preponderance of the virus. The virus has easily killed. The mistake people been making, is they been focusing on hand sanitizer, you know, it's not even spread on the hands. It's not a hand infection. It's an infection in the nose. You have to do something to sanitize the nose, and people have been preoccupied with the hands. So it's been one of these, you know, we dick useless things. Everybody should know. It's not a hand infection. We don't go around saying covid-19 is a hand infection and yet we're incessantly. Yeah, you know.
I know I was in that but I do because I get lots of packages from Amazon. Remember when this first happened? Like, when I got back from India, I was spraying down on my packages with hand sanitizer and alcohol and just thought everything. I touch could infect me and, you know, now, I think it is prudent to just focus on the nasal passages. But, you know, I've gotten actually, you know, I mentioned to a few people that I was going to have you on my show. I'm like, number one question. I got over and over again. Peter was everybody said, what is what is Peter?
I mean when he says, you can't get covid twice like my uncle or my neighbor, or my friend, or me. Like, I feel like I got covid twice and and somebody like like 10 minutes before we got on to interview today, sent me over a tweet by a by Robert Malone, you know, the guy who I guess was one of the inventors of the vaccination or did a lot of research behind it. And and he says he actually tweeted. He was like Peter is wrong. I had covid two times and so did my wife and so did many others. What's the
You will getting covid twice like is that is that like establish? They can't get it twice as it just like really rare and few and far between or what's going on with that.
Yeah. It depends on context. So let me give you a context. So my daughter had documented covid-19 with the characteristic signs and symptoms last year in 2020, and she's in her mid 20s. She did a little bit of treatment on the back end and she's fine. Well, documented and prolonged illness, you know, covid-19 is always two weeks, 24.
Four weeks pregnant now, because in my family, some people are germaphobes and we have some elderly people in my house. My daughter's in California, and she developed a cold. She developed a head cold and everyone says, we'll listen, you better get a covid test and she goes, well, I already had covid. You can't get it again. Get a covid test. So the poor thing canceled her flights and she was getting daily covid test. So, the first day on Tuesday, it was - the second day.
On Wednesday, it was positive the third day on Thursday. It's negative.
And now she's home and her colds, completely gone. So, was that covid and I would, I would based on what I know is a clinician a doctor. It's like, no, that was, there was a false positive test. What people are being confused with is the false positivity of the test. I actually looked at her test and the cycle threshold on it was 37. The CDC says no cycle thresholds above 28. Because
the more cycle thresholds, the more likelihood of a false positive,
right Buzz positive.
Right now, the NHL announced they're going to daily testing. You. There's 47 players in the NFL notice. Nobody's sick and in the hospital, but we have an epidemic of false positive tests. This is all just a product of false positive testing. So so it's not. It's not like you
couldn't get covid twice. It's just like it. It'd be rare and few and far between for something like that to ever happen. Or is it like biochemically impossible to get it twice?
You know, these
Idea of, you know, I got it at my wife, got it too and we both got it twice. I mean, I think that's honestly it's a contextual thing. It's a problem of getting a test and getting the false positive test. Let me give another example, my dad had covid-19 in a nursing home. He would got really sick. He was sick for a month. He got over, he got better. They kept testing him to see when they were going to let him out of this covid unit. He intermittently tested positive 17 times over the next three to six months. He
Didn't have covid 17 times. It's just that the test remains positive intermittently for a long period of time. It's considered a false positive test, particularly in someone who's had it before. Because we now know the viral remnants of the virus last in the body for a year and a half, Bruce Patterson's showed that, so it's not surprising, you could. So we tell people, listen, if you like covid-19, don't get another test because all you're going to do is get some type of false positive test and be in this conundrum. So many people are under the
Idea that they think they're getting covid-19 over and over again. And I always tell people, listen, take a look at it. Did you have a 30-day ulness where you were really sick? And did you end up on the ventilator twice and have x-ray changes, whatever? They're like, no really one time. I just had a drippy nose, or I was trying to travel to Hawaii or something. I said listen, that's not two cases of covid. You had one real case likely and you have one false positive, or intermittently positive post infection, but it's a one-time illness. We know that.
Because the virus is analogous to Cyrus Covey one where there's a one-time infection and lifetime immunity. Our CDC has been legally challenged by lead. Attorney. Aaron ciri said, listen, if you got a second case, if you really think somebody can get it twice, show it to us because I didn't make the case that everybody should take the vaccine and it's clear once you've had covid-19. You can't get it again. And so there's about 100 cases in the peer-reviewed literature. Where doctors think. Aha, here's somebody who's got it the second time, 100. Now we're talking a hundred out of eight bill.
Billion people on Earth. They think there's a hundred cases. I've looked at every one of them and every one of them is basically just another exercise in false positive testing. We're on one occasion. It's just a, it's a positive test, but they're not really sick and another occasion. They really have covid and they're sick. And they have x-ray changes in hospitalized. We know this, because think about how many cases we've had the United States if it was possible to get it a second time. The nursing homes would be sweeping and cleaning out patients and on the ventilator over and over again. We never hear about it now.
Maybe a dump may be a dumb question. But it does it look a better way to test and the PCR test to eliminate the chances of these kind of pulse faucet for false positives
popping up.
Yeah, so I've proposed list and that covid-19 is such a serious illness. If people really want to propose that, they get it two times that, that boy the second time. They better have a PCR that a low cycle, threshold under 28, and have confirmatory antigen testing and have limited sequencing which now is FDA-approved when you better nail it down. That's the reason why the CDC doesn't have any cases because there's nothing verifiable. There are no second cases.
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Now, now kinda sorta related to the testing thing. Peter, the the claim that like asymptomatic testing isn't necessary because there's no asymptomatic. Transmission of covid. Is there really like no data that you can't transmit if you're
asymptomatic. Well, if covid could be magically transmitted by people with no symptoms. It would be the first respiratory illness in the history of medicine, where that's the case.
Do you see what I mean? So we would we basically making something up. If we say suddenly, somebody is perfectly asymptomatic and they literally could just walk into a room and magically somebody else. Get it. Respiratory illnesses in the history of Medicine of never been that way. So to kind of assume a magical quality about this illness, in my view, was kind of a mistake to begin with. We should have always assumed that. Yeah, you have to be symptomatic to transmit it just like every other respiratory illness
time. It's kind of like a unique illness, right? I like, you know, specially
If you believe the idea that that it was engineered for gain of function of the spike protein has been modified etcetera. I mean, when it kind of makes sense that it would act differently than some of the previous
SARS, well, is acting pretty similar to SARS and it certainly not acting as bad as Spanish Flu. I mean, yeah, it's up there but it's not that unique. Again. It just violates every everything we understand about communicability having said that there
it was these papers published and listen 30 to 50% of spread is asymptomatic. And for that reason, that triggered all these shutdowns, all these lockdowns, and people were trying to shake
hands pretty high
percentage. Yeah, and and people are trying to touch. And so what happened was? These models were predicted actually out of University of Washington. I'm a you w graduate in medicine there, and I can tell you, it's called the memory model. They were predicting 30 to 50% spread. And so these
Models were swept across the United States. And then there was all these reactions based on them. So, in Dallas, as an example because of the models, the Army Corps of Engineers came into Dallas, and they started setting up an army field Hospital in the Dallas County Convention Center. They had thousands of cod's IV bags, ventilators, Medics. They were all standing at the ready, and I published an op-ed in the hill. When I saw this happening, I said, these models are completely off. It doesn't spread.
Red symptomatically, asymptomatic, Ali it, no respiratory illness. Does. I said, we'll never use a single bed in that Army hospital and turns out. We never used a single bed. So the models were completely off base and we ended up wasting an enormous amount of money and now two papers, one by CAO, caos and the other one by made Well published in 2020, basically. Disproved asymptomatic red, spread cow basically looked and looked and looked at 110 million Chinese and said find
Person who's got the virus who really doesn't have symptoms and that it turns out of 10 million, they found 300 and then they looked at every single person they touched and came in contact and nobody got the virus. And so the bottom line is, if you even have really have the virus in its there by sequencing and you're asymptomatic, your body is forming immunity to it and you can't spread it. Anyway,
what about if you're vaccinated if you're vaccinated could you spread it?
You know that those studies haven't been done among the vaccinated now, it's possible that the vaccine could take a little Edge.
Off incipient symptoms and make somebody spread the virus more is possible. I don't want to blame the vaccinated for anything. People took the vaccines thought they were doing the right thing. But the bottom line is we know now. Just with good measures, like not going to school while you're sick and when you're sick at school go home that those measures are working. You know, how we know that because everyone's back at school and there's no school outbreaks. None. We've been at it for six months now knows.
Will outbreaks not a single one.
Yeah, I was listening to to that that the zdoggmd guy that I was talking about. After you got interviewed by Joe Rogan and related to like the school outbreaks. He said that there's like lower incidence of kids getting covid infection in highly vaccinated adult communities. Like it like some kind of like a cocooning effect. Where if you have a whole bunch of people, vaccinated Community kids are getting it less because it reduces the amount of sir.
Circulating coronavirus apparently. So there's there's protection for kids who aren't vaccinated. What do you think about that whole idea? Like there's this whole proposed or so-called cocooning effect.
It doesn't look like it's a portable. I think people would want to think that but there's a paper by Anika sing Gana yagam, and it was published in Lancet and the title, the papers called Community transmission and viral load, kinetics of SARS.
To Delta. And in that paper, this idea of cocooning was kind of kind of evaluated. And the bottom line is they found that 39 percent of transmission is from fully vaccinated to fully vaccinated in the house. So the kids that aren't protected at all from adults who are vaccinated. What we know is that in the Pediatric meetings in September and October the in the meeting minutes, the general agreement by the experts. Was that through May
May 14 percent of kids had already had covid-19. So the reason, you know, they had basically natural mirror. You don't get it twice. It was one and done.
If they know that from like doing antibody tests on the kids.
There's their antibody prevalence studies. And also just the community overall transmission rates and now we have data, you know, through the Delta outbreak. I estimate that we're probably have 80% of kids who have already had it. And so that's the reason why we're seeing no outbreaks, Scott Atlas presented at a meeting with me.
Recently data suggesting that elementary school teachers in junior, high teachers are the safest of all professions from covid-19 because the kids aren't immunologic buffer. They've already had the illness. So again, you know, because the beautiful thing is you don't get it a second time. So that immunity is robust complete and durable, there's over 140 studies. Now that support natural immunity all were left with is a false positive conundrum and if we just stop testing people, and only use test in the akula.
He'll we'd be a lot better off
now over to to the vaccination piece. You know, there's this whole, how do you pronounce the vars? But vaers database, like the the adverse event reporting, in terms of the adverse event reporting, you know, obviously there's a lot that's being reported and some people say that because it's a voluntary reporting system and like anything that happens after a vaccine gets reported to
Ours that there. There's like a vastly overestimated estimation of the number of vaccine complications because it's just kind of like, one of those things where there's just more being reported period. Do you think that's the case or do you think that there's actually something to the idea of all these reports of issues with vaccine injuries based on the vars database?
Well, I'd point you to a paper by Cody Meisner. Emmy is
SSN trmd. And that's in the association of aaps news, the American Academy of Pediatrics. And this was before covid, and it asked the question who reports to tver who reports to theirs, and the answer is family members. And the individual patients is only 14 percent of the time, only 14. And you know, why? Because
So hard. Oh my gosh, it's multiple pages of Entry. You have to enter in all the hospital data, all the laboratory data, the doctors information, doctors Phone Numbers, fax numbers. And each page is under the threat of a federal, imprisonment, or fines, if it's falsified. So, we know 86% of the time, it's doctors nurses Corners. The pharmaceutical
companies that we may be 6% of time before covid. We don't know. What's at now,
though.
Well, I have to tell you, I think it's the exact same number because, you know, we're looking, there's two different ways to look at who's being injured, who's dying after the vaccines, we can use tver and we can use CMS CMS, doesn't rely on voluntary, reporting to CMS knows who's been vaccinated and who died. He's been hospitalized and so we can look at the relationships and get to. So there's is always thought to be Under reporting. Never over report Under reporting. It was been multiple papers on this. The question is
Covid to what extent is it underreported? So in the publicly available, CMS whistleblower lawsuit, against the u.s. You know, the u.s. Is government's being sued for death. After vaccination. The Under reporting relationship is established with various. And the answer is on mortality. It's a five fold Under reporting, that's pretty solid. So they looked at multiple times.
It seems like they it seems like what they should do is like figure out what are the chances that you could die or hadn't have an adverse effect.
Effect. Anyways, like if you look at say like the data on the death rate in seniors, like, you know, you could vaccinate somebody who's like 90 years old and the next day they could die. But it seems like you'd have to figure out like what the statistical background rate of death in that population would be to begin with right? And then compare it to the background.
Right? Well you look at what's called temporal Association. So yeah, people are always dying every day, but in general the rates pretty steady day by day by day.
So, if you give a shot, and the shot has nothing to do, with the death, the death, the background, death rates are studied day by day by day, is kind of a flat curve. But if you give a shot, and there's a huge spike in the death rates, after the shots are administered consistently over and over again in tver and in CMS. We know, the temporal relationship is really tight and I tell you write this as it's like a cannon shot went off. Its fifty percent of the deaths, occur within 48 Hours, 80% occur within a
week giraffe.
Vaccine you mean
after the shot? Yeah, so it's not flat at all. It's not flat. So it's nowhere near saying this is a background rate of death. Yeah. This is very strongly temporarily but not only that but there's a nursing home studies where, you know, there's a nursing home study from from Scandinavia where that, you know, they have 100 nursing home patients, who died of the vaccine and they actually have the charts to review. And so, you know, those exist out there.
There's been the most recent. Let me give you the nursing home study. Yeah. The see if I can get this for you. I want to make sure we get the like the quotations.
Take your time. We want to make sure we get it. Right.
Right, but the most recent paper of you know, you could say well, you know, the Bears system is got a flawed to it. The we can look at another data.
Is called The Vig, safe database VG safe. There. It doesn't. That's the who safety system. Okay, and can look at deaths there, and they find that basically the same relationship, and it's an age relationship, who's dying after the vaccine. It's those over 65. So it turns out of the serious safety reports after vaccination. It was called serious adverse event. Safety reports. It was about
About 4% of all, the serious reports are deaf when they get reported in. Did you safe over age 65? And then we can look at the yellow card system, the mhra system, and there, there is an independent report from an independent consulting company. That's the lead consultancy to the World Health Organization there called the evidence based Consulting Group. They evaluate the yellow card system and they found the same thing and irrefutable temporal relationship. People take the
Not within a few days, they die and they report it to. Mhra. They said, listen, these aren't safe, shut them down. So there's been multiple calls to the shoe authorities to shut down these vaccine programs because of the, the unacceptably, high rates of death.
Now, what about like like that that's for the elderly? But what about for kids? Like, I've been hearing especially about like young boys and myocarditis. Is that more more covid, or more, the vaccine or something like
That is occurring, right? Because I know, I know the spike protein can be problematic for myocarditis and so natural covid could cause myocarditis. But what about the vaccine? Like, which one's worse when it comes to increasing risk of myocarditis?
Well, let's take the natural infection first. So with the natural infection, people who are sick enough to be admitted to the hospital and sick enough to be in the ICU. There will be a rate probably about half of them. Will have an elevated cardiac troponin.
Of the upper limit of normal, the blood test, troponin is a test for heart injury, but the same is true for those in the ICU for pneumococcal sepsis and meningococcal sepsis. And for urosepsis. That's just that's just basically an ICU elevation of Japan and there aren't Associated EKG changes or echocardiography changes. So it doesn't meet a definition of myocarditis. But it, you know, that's that is in the covid. Lurchers. Actually, the Chinese reported this and importantly they never labeled it.
As myocarditis. They labeled it as a cardiac injury pattern is seen by the cardiac troponin. Testing in the kids. It's very different. The kids actually take the vaccines and then they develop an explosive syndrome of chest pain. Difficulty breathing the parents, bring him into the ER and they have cardiac troponin that aren't just a little bit elevated there about 100 times elevated, compared to the upper limit of normal. And they have dramatic EKG changes about a quarter of them have
Basically abnormalities on Echo & the CDC, first reported this with the FDA back in June. They had 200 cases and the FDA immediately put a warning on it. So listen, Pfizer moderna can cause myocarditis and then what happened is, you know, parents kept taking their kids in for vaccinations, and now we've got over 16,000 of these cases and and we know now the initial CDC initially reported that ninety percent of these kids needed hospitalization and takes a lot to hospitalize a
In year old, let me tell you then Tracy. Hold published mircea, California. Davis at the end of the summer, thousands of cases from the various Envy, save data, 86 were seven, percent were hospitalized. And now we have a paper B, wrong and colleagues Tron and colleagues from the University of Utah, Salt Lake where they indicate now that the hospitalization rate I believe is about 79% still a large number of individuals have to be
For this. This is the point I'm making is this myocarditis is no joke. It's nowhere close to being the same thing as the respiratory illness. People have said. Well, there's more there's a paper in the New England Journal of Medicine, which I think is just invalid. Where they say. Well, there's more myocarditis with covid-19 a wellness. I said, well it's because there's a lot of old people in the hospital with covid-19 and you know, they just in the ICU. It's not clinical myocarditis these kids.
Is who basically are taking the vaccines there, minding their own business at home. They're actually coming into the hospital for myocarditis their apples and oranges apples and oranges. They're not the same illness, the myocarditis the, you know, this one is clear. The FDA is telling parents don't vaccinate the kids because they get myocarditis. I think parents should just pay attention to
those wines. Yeah. What I was trying to figure out was like it seems like the myocarditis seems to happen, especially like in kids after the second.
Like this is the, the so-called booster dose of the vaccines. That's what, that's what I was trying to figure out was like, is it the actual vaccine or is it some kind of, like an immune response that kicks in after the second dose that increases the the chance of there's going to be some kind of a crossover effect on the heart. Does that make
sense? You have clothes. I mean there's a paper by a valio and colleagues that have really worked this out. That the heart really is basically gets primed, and the parasites are basically attacked by the spike.
18 and that's bike protein starts to attack these cells. The cells provide the Integrity to the capillary system, to the cardiomyocytes and there is wide open. Heart inflammation, heart damage. There's a paper by Choi and colleagues. From Korea, young man takes the vaccine a few days later. Develops explosive chest. Pain goes in the ER 7 hours later. He's dead. They do an autopsy as hard as loaded with inflammation, load it throughout the conduction system, Etc.
The paper by limb and colleagues from Korea a young woman. They're able to save her but she needs go on ECMO a form of advanced support. She went completely flat line. They're doing CPR on her and now there's this collage. I don't have you seen these European athletes? Think they're nearly up to 200 athletes, who have dropped that
our life drawing during practice.
Yeah. Yeah, they're hot. They're holding their chest and then they fall over. And you know, the million dollar question is, you know, who took the vaccines. And when did they take them? You know, we know that once somebody develops myocarditis.
They absolutely can't have any physical activity, physical activity, will trigger a cardiac death event.
I think there's a lot of variables. There are two though, because I got, I think it was last year. I was reading a report in the Journal of strength conditioning research, like practices have changed and the environment where people are practicing has changed. Even like the fitness of some of these athletes because they're able to train less is change. So, I think there's a lot of variables like I, you know, I'm not sure one way or the other. If it's a vaccine issue with all these athletes dying or just, you know, so much.
Is change in scope. But anyways, in terms of their training environment, their training conditions, their training Fitness like it's super tough to
say, yes, but I can tell you as a cardiologist, you know, this is my field in the last 20 years. I'm telling you certainly last 10 years. There's very meticulous screening for hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. For instance,
which I have, by the way. I've got a, I've got a massive left ventricle just from what my endurance training.
No, I'm not talking about genetic hypertrophic cardiomyopathy where there's a risk for sudden death and people get different.
Relators and stuff. So we have very good genetic testing. We have echocardiography MRI ECG that hereditary fatal cardiomyopathy that no longer steps on the playing field. Those days are over with the other thing we know is the athletes. Now are incredibly well the sports physical for these pro athletes is turned out to be a very detailed evaluation. We know that sports drinks have dramatically improved. So everything I'm mentioning is actually working to have decreased.
And death rates on the field. And so to have an explosion couple hundred athletes visibly, you know, basically fall dead on. The field is distinctly unusual. And because the only thing that's really changed is vaccination. It does make one wonder if this is subclinical myocarditis, and these are cardiac deaths. The one question. I think that's perplexing is why aren't we seeing this in the US? And its really xus kind of weird. Well, the only thing I can tell you there is we never really know in the u.s. Who took the vaccines, right? So look at
Aaron Rodgers. As an example, you know, there's kind of this General assumption that everybody in the NFL, took the vaccines. And then suddenly Aaron Rodgers gets covid-19 and people say what you do, take the vaccine. He said, no I didn't. So it looks like the athletes have a way of non-disclosure that they don't have to disclose their vaccine status and they can just kind of go along with a general talking point by the team. They work it out legally. So we really don't know within sports right now, who took the vaccine and who
didn't in the u.s. At least. Yeah,
so, I mean, so I think that's the point that the, oh, thank goodness.
We don't have our star athletes dropping dead on the field, but what they're seeing in Europe, and obviously these are huge losses. They're coming up on Route 202. This is extraordinary. They're losing star player after star player. It's
crazy. Now, you know in terms of like your own Genesis when it comes to getting into all of this. I mean like when when you were a doctor or you know, like 10 years ago, did you ever imagine that that, this is what you'd be doing or what you'd be immersed in or if you'd be at the
Forefront of a debate like
this, you know, know I didn't. And, you know, most doctors like myself. We're not very kind of military oriented. We're not very courageous or jumping into battle, but the way covid-19 worked out is, it's not a problem that government agencies can can battle, right? So, the CDC and NIH FDA, they don't treat anybody, and people are falling sick all over the place. It really boils down to doctors. Doctors. Are you going to step up or they're not and
What happened in the United States as we had about 500 doctors step up and, you know, takes a lot of Courage, takes intellectual guts, takes a lot of clinical skill, everything. There's just not that many doctors who kind of Meet the grade. A lot of doctors are just on the sidelines that they tell patients. There's no treatment for covid-19. And I think honestly, a lot of them are just, they don't want to treat covid-19. They're afraid of it.
Well, that's what I wanted to ask you. If there's like five hundred, doctors, like, is there a way? Let's say somebody wants.
It's their primary care physician or their families physician to be a physician who's kind of familiar with some of the early treatment stuff that you talked about. And maybe is thinking with an open mind. Here are, is there like a list somewhere? Like you just mentioned five hundred doctors, but I mean, is there like a physician's directory or anything like that? For people who may want to be looking for a new dock or trying to find somebody who's kind of, you know, got I guess got their heads screwed on the way that you do.
Yeah, so the list is
Cap by association of American Physicians and surgeons aaps online dot, or gets up late updated once a month and and no more and more doctors do join the list. There are APS has all the training seminars and webinars and you know, all the instructional materials on how to do this. You know, we're far enough along. Now, we're a year into it where we've had the treatment guides and all the standards, the Frontline Critical Care, Consortium.
Has a just a little different blend of approaches. They again, have webinars monthly. They actually they have weekly educational updates to get everybody up to speed. So there's plenty of opportunities to get involved in Tree, covid-19 and more and more doctors are doing it. Thank goodness. We have the doctors do it, who they would. I can't imagine if nobody treated covid-19 O, My Lord, it would have been a disaster. It was bad enough, as it was I testified in the US. Senate, November, 20, 20 that half of the lives could have been
Saved. But at that time, we had about 200,000 deaths. And I thought about half could have been saved because it took a learning curve before we can learn how to treat it and it took time for me to publish it. I was the first one to get a publication over the finish line that just takes time. Otherwise, there's no dissemination. There's we can't even get anywhere. Once we got the news out in the November, December early treatment hearings and got that, you know permanently as part of US History, the telemedicine services took off the regional talmud.
Essence Services took off, doctor started to engage. And so, in March of 2021. I told Texas Senate. I said, I think I'd upgraded to about 85% of the lives. Could have been saved. If every doctor jumped into action and helped patients. Now, the drugs themselves aren't perfect. They've gotten better over time, but you can imagine a senior citizen who is sick. Everyone's afraid to see them because nobody will come over and see them and sit at home and sicker and sicker, they call the doctor.
After two or three times, the doctor's office tells them know when there's no treatment and they finally just toss in the towel and they go to the hospital and then the vast majority of people who died with covid. They actually died in the hospital. They don't die at home. So then you know, the hospital is part of that death sequence you can imagine all of that would be avoided because the drugs reduce the intensity and duration of symptoms. And by that mechanism, they reduce that that Panic trigger to go the hospital and if you can get through it at home by definition, you never get.
Get to the hospital. So you never get to the point of
death. Yeah, that's a good point. Now, you know, there's there's a lot of other vaccines like because I've interviewed some other Doc's who have brought this up and also, you know, I've kind of been trying to keep my finger on the pulse of this because like I'm I'm not anti-vaxxer. I'm not opposed to getting vaccine. I just I'm not convinced the ones that are out there. Right now are are safe enough at least as far as long-term data, but there's there's some like, you know, Noba vapp, Circle vaccin or vex innit.
There's no one. I was falling called in novio and and some of these look like they might be a little bit safer, you know, like like for example and novio, I know is something that's that's just like, delivered intradermally, like, like to the deltoid muscle. So you aren't apparently getting like, like the spike protein making its way to the brain and liver, and the kidney, and the eyes, and the vascular system. And and I'm just curious in your opinion. Are we on the cusp of maybe having access to a vaccine that might be
Be a little bit safer. At least have fewer Adverse Events.
I agree with you. I agree actually all those comments. I am very pro-vaccine. I've taken all the vaccine schedules. I like you. I went to India. You probably took extra vaccines. So, did I, you know, I talked to that's actually
didn't but I honestly was being a little bit of a cowboy to
you're braver than I am. I took the vaccines, but for these first generation of X things were called genetic vaccines where
And lipid nanoparticles. That's Pfizer moderna and Johnson & Johnson. I got to tell you this turned out to be too dangerous. They get distributed all into the body. They go into the brain. They go into the heart, they do damage in these organs. They damaged blood vessels. We know that they, you know, they install the genetics to produce the spike protein and you know that causes blood clotting. It damages a blood vessels. So there is just this whole first wave like it's true in many Medical Products. The first wave doesn't make it, you know, the very first
Blood thinner to replace Coumadin xym. El Gaucho and did make it. There was some liver failure deaths and so just like these ones, these ones aren't going to make it. They're going to ultimately, get pulled for sure. They will and the newer ones coming along. I think the lead one is no vivex. Now. That's a Spike spike protein on a matrix. It's gotten through all the phase 2 phase 3 trials, doing the journal medicine, 90% vaccine efficacy. Looks like it could be more easily modulated to cover some of the other.
Variants sore arm but no systemic effects. Now, they've got some booster data. There are, they have actually longer follow-up than Pfizer. Modern is just a higher quality program all the way around. No genetics
involved but it's not, it's not approved yet in the u.s. Is it?
Well, you know, it just got approved in Australia. By the TGA. It's going to have some X us markets, but the US should not be dragging their feet on Novak's. In my view. I think that should be fronted and the sooner we can get off, Pfizer moderna J&J and
Get on to Novak's, I think people can breathe a sigh of relief. My concern is our seniors are now uncovered. We knew that we knew that Pfizer moderna J&J. They just don't last very long only about three to six months. So our seniors are uncovered right now. That's the risk, you know, vaccinating kids is not in my view, a top Public Health priority because the kids basically 80% of what he had it and they don't get serious illness anyway, but the seniors do the seniors really get sick. The nursing home patients. I've had so many of my seniors in my practice.
Say they need coverage. And if no vivex came out. Everything I know about it right now. Provided the safety holds out. We could easily make a shift in that, could be in a sense, like a universal booster. Yeah, and we get off the genetic vaccines and ovios and interesting technology. That one's farther behind and that is more of a back to a genetic vaccine of a different type. There are really a lot of different vaccines in
Element. And I'm hopeful. We're going to get something that's going to have some durability. I don't think anything that's going to last less than a Year's going to make it because people are not going to be going in every 3 months or 6, months, or a shot. It's just not going to work and the coverage is going to be too
spotty know, especially those you all these new variants coming out. Yeah, the Inovio I guess is it's just like, DNA plasmids and and water. There's like nothing else in there, like you don't like, even as far as adjuvant some that I'm aware of. It's just, it's pretty safe and clean.
I know, but we wouldn't want the DNA.
Voting for the spike protein because once we get back to coding for it, we don't want install. The genetic code to produce a dangerous protein to buy that turned out to that experiment, has been a disaster it because the reason is because it's uncontrolled. For some people, they must take up a lot of the genetic material and make a lot of Spike protein for a long period of time and for some people, it's lethal. It's obvious. It's lethal. Within a few days. Whereas if it's a limited Spike protein, like like I can tell you for Novak's, they tested five.
5 and 25 micrograms. They want with the five micrograms. It is a limit like a tetanus shot. If I gave you an overwhelming amount of Texas tetanus toxoid, I could kill you. But if I give you a tetanus shot and it's limited, it doesn't kill anybody and you get immunity. That's kind of the concept with no
effects. Yeah. I think that Inovio actually despite it having minimal Adverse Events from the research I've seen on it so far. Just because what I do is I just use my, I use an app called Feedly and just type in the search term that I want to get updates.
For each day, and I've got a new view as one that I'm following. I know it does contain the plasmid that encodes for the whole length of the spike glycoprotein, but again like minimal adverse event, so I don't know. I agree with you though. Like Novak seems like like one of the safer ones out there but regarding the variance you told me like right before we were going to record you mentioned that that you had some updates on omnicon. What's going on with
that? Well, I'm Nick, Ron is the most mutated of all the variants so far took a big jump in
A tional status. Remember Alpha Beta gamma de Gama, you know, they were moving along inching along in terms of changes. The virus replicates. Billions of times. It's going to make mistakes. Everybody should know that there's always variance. We've always had variance in the background. Always from, we started out with the whoo hand wild type virus, and then it kind of quickly mutated Alpha when I had it last year. I had Alpha. I was in research. I got genotyped and I knew what I had, but nice.
And colleagues from Mayo Clinic and working with the group called inference, a research group in Boston. They showed, listen, you get to 25% of the population, vaccinated. You're going to allow a dominant variant to move forward. And that's exactly what happened with Delta. We the vaccine program is responsible for the Delta variant. And what happened was in Maestra India, one of the states they got to about more than 25% vaccinated and the virus mutated up multiple times about seven times in the spike.
Protein. And the spike protein, a paper by venkata Krishna is the first author and from this company inference and Sounder rajat and is the senior author, they showed energetic escape with Delta. Now, with Omicron. Now, we have inkatha Christian again, as first author sounda. Rajan, as the senior author from inference in Cambridge, Massachusetts. They also have an installation in Bengaluru India and also in Toronto those three centers published this month.
Sandpaper on Omicron. They showed that it is Far and Away the most mutated variant. It has 26 unique Spike protein, mutations. 30 Spike Motif, that's overall far. More than others to give you. An example. For instance, an alpha only had four unique Spike, protein, mutations beta only had six gamma only had eight Delta head. Eight of those. The most most lethal actually was gamma gamma was tough. We didn't have that. There was
Mainly done, in Brazil. We've had a good dose of Delta now, which is been hard and I can tell it clinically. I fought dealt enough and it's highly contagious is transmissibility index of anything. We've seen, you know, wild-type was transmissive index of about too well, with Omicron got 26, unique, mutations 10 and the receptor binding domain. We've got three deletions one insertion, which is very unusual and it's probably a very dysmorphic receptor binding domain. It probably doesn't.
Find very well. And so then we had this report came out from the CDC December 10th where we only had 43 cases in the United States and we found out that 79% were in fully vaccinated. So Omicron was originally described in fully vaccinated, Travelers crossing the border Botswana. Then this report hits from Denmark, the title, the report status of the tsar's Covey to dominant the variant called Omicron in Denmark dated December 13th, 2021. You'll find this on the internet and
Here in this report, they are basically describing that we have a situation that there's almost an inversion. So if we look at other variants if we look at other variants not not Omicron in Denmark, which is a highly vaccinated, you know country. They have tons of covid because the vaccines don't fully stop covid. They had 44 thousand cases of fully vaccinated people with covid out there. It turns out that, you know, they
67% of everything they had was in the fully vaccinated. Now with the crime variant. The number is 79% of Omicron is fully vaccinated in Denmark. So we've seen this inversion. And now, the most interesting thing that's happened is our CDC has a program that we can actually and we you know, everybody in this field pretty much checks in with it every week and it's basically a variant called monitoring varying proportions and we check it every week.
Well, they have two filters on it. One of it's called Now, cast and owca St. The Now cast on is what the CDC is predicting. So it turns out that the CDC predicted for the week ending December 11th. They predicted, 12% Omicron. And the week ending December 18th, which is three days ago. The CDC predicted 73% Omicron, that was predicted like
73% of the new case.
Is are on the ground. Yeah, it in the United States, that predicted. Now when we turn off the CDC prediction algorithm and look at what we have, it turns out. None of that's materialized Omicron week ending that week ending most recent week that they have is only less than 1%. So, you know, we have a situation where it's clear that the CDC has
As kind of in a sense, you know, the data are in arrears, they'll come forward with the CDC is way over
predicting. It. Solids to me. So like went like because I had a headline this morning Omicron sweeps Across the Nation 73% of new u.s. Covid cases, that should actually be modified to say estimated 73%, Right? And you're saying that that's going to
really have to get a head start here to get going because Delta is so dominant right now. Our understanding is Delta.
Got a greater transmissibility than Omicron. I don't see how a macron. I was on national TV the first day on the news, on Omicron Brooke. And I said, listen, I don't, I don't see it. How is it going to out-compete? Delta, Delta is so successful. How can Omicron Omicron probably get an ecologically, Mitch, you know, it wouldn't wouldn't have a driver. Now. The one driver it may have is that it looks like it may be more successful in the vaccinated and if that's the case, you know, we are most people. The United States took the vaccine. There's not that many unvaccinated people.
Around. So most people have taken the vaccine. And in fact, if if omikron has a selective advantage in the vaccinated, that would be the explanation of how we could start to to make a larger economic, like ecological niche for
itself. But then if a vaccinated person gets Omicron, they could like they could do the whole early treatment regimen that you talked about and still see some effect from that,
right? Sure. But so far in Omicron with the CDC is telling us is that there's almost no pulmonary symptoms. So, apparently,
The first u.s. Death is taken nearly two months for the first u.s. Death. First. I'm a chronic case. I think it was described the 6th of November that in fact, you know, there's no pulmonary symptoms. So it's very hard for constitutional symptoms like fever or what have you to be fatal. Now, maybe it may have a fatal. Thrombo. A blood clot or
something. Yes, maybe no fatal still issue still issues though. Like there's a whole like sperm count fertility issue. Like there's, there's some long-term issues, too.
Tail. Even if it's kind of asymptomatic or not, a severe infection. You may still want to consider some kind of early treatment. Yeah.
Oh, I agree with you. Listen, I would not underestimate any of these when Delta first came out. We you know, we have thinking it could be milder. We couldn't get a straight story from India and it turned out Delta was just really hard. I think Delta was even harder than the other. So, you know, Omicron could be very serious. You're right. Early treatment. I mean, the principle is available. Early treatment is these viruses are going to replicate for
18 days in the body. They going to rip the body for 14 days. Early treatment can drop it to about four days. The the nasal hygiene approach that has the strongest effect on dropping these pcrs to - it's amazing. The Chowdhury protocol literally just, just absolutely decimated, the the viral load in the nose. And so, the virus just virus, can't build up to a high count. I
know local. Look, I've had covid, but I still like every week. I just like your with my little nebulizer here on my desktop. I still nebula.
Lies and actually in the morning and in the evening, some one of those weird guys who does like the whole ayurvedic thing where I wake up in the morning. I do like coconut oil, pulling and tongue scraping, and I keep this little bottle of a hypochlorous acid is hocl, which is kind of sound kind of similar effect to like hydrogen peroxide or iodine in terms of similar effects in terms of the antiviral, properties of it as a nasal spray. And I just do a couple of squirts of that in the morning and in the evening to go brush my teeth, do another couple of squirts using the of Eliezer, once a
Just because I travel so much just because even though, even though I've had covid I'm just, you know, it doesn't hurt and it takes me two seconds. Anyways, to do this stuff kind of like brushing my teeth. So so yeah, I'm kind of staying aware about it.
But you know, what I learned that from is I was completely unaware of this field and I got called by Paul Gossett. He's an anti-infective dentist in. Chicago. He goes, you know, we've been using these techniques from the very beginning you mentioned sodium
hypochlorite. That's actually juicy. Oh, yeah, it smells like bleach.
Yeah, it just a few drops of bleach and water. So it turns out when President Trump mentioned bleach, you know, he was he just couldn't, you should have, you know, had a dentist presented, the American Dental Association, that's in their recommendations to treat cytomegalovirus and Epstein-Barr virus gingivitis. Anyway, so it kills by obviously, you don't swallow it, you know Splash it around. It's just it's a tiny amount, but now we've moved on to the Provident iodine which is very safe. And you know, by the way, the ophthalmologist
I have bio, I won't iodine. Did you just say you said that really fast pava? Do I
do? It's called?
David own iodine povidone-iodine. All right, cool, covid-19 e0, iodine. That's the same thing as Betadine be ETA D, Ina, 10% solution is about five bucks on Amazon. I just bought one. You just got delivered today and I can tell you, it's a winner. You got to dilute it down, quite a bit, you do it it down to a 1% solution, but it but you know, the ophthalmologist use that as eye drops in the sinusitis, doctors have been using that to treat sinusitis and and face.
Shal types of infections forever. So this is very safe. It's been used in the nose and the mouth forever. It's part of medicine. In fact, one doctor said, listen, let me give you my sinusitis sheet and he gave me how to make a Betadine solution because, yeah, I've been doing this my whole practice, he goes. It just turns out that this is now popular because his covid and it's so effective against the virus. I said, wow. I just can't believe that that, you know, I personally had it and it said in my nose for three days and I didn't do any things like I, you know, and then
In my lungs, I could have avoided a lot of mystery if I just would have Zapped it in the
nose. Yeah, listen to your dentist everybody. Hey, you know, I know that you're busy and you're still practicing and you're doing all these interviews and getting bombarded by the media, and an imaginary stress levels are a little higher. Are you taking care of yourself? Like, like, do you do you have like a fitness regimen or you hitting a sauna? Or are you? Are you doing anything yourself from a preventive standpoint Beyond squirting? Dental, stuff up your nose.
Tell you
Yeah. Again, I wish I would have done it. I've already had covid so I don't need to do anything now because I can't get it again. And the other thing too is I've had broad exposure to Delta. So I've had people cough in my face. I've made some house calls, no masks, you know, kids all over me. Sick with Delta. You can't get it a second time. So the natural immunity is wonderful and people just need to trust it. But you know, I try to keep myself in shape it the the crisis because there was such a need for early.
Treatment and I was able to fill that Gap, the soonest and the most definitively then others helped out greatly pure Quarry and the Frontline Critical Care. Consortium other people came on but you know five hundred doctors taken care of the country. We're busy. Yeah, let me tell you what the phone is ringing off the hook. So I'm working on personal help the best I can, we got a beautiful day here in Dallas after you, I've got Lou Dobbs. I've got Laura Ingraham Ingram angled tonight. I'm going to try to squeeze in an hour where I can get out and do something.
And I had several patients this morning and I still got to do their notes and handle their issues and then I'll move into the next day. I really haven't taken a day off since the start of the pandemic and in many ways. Maybe I was just the right person at the right time of years ago. I was a big marathoner. I had run a marathon in every state in the United States and people said dr. Mcculloh, you know, do you have the stamina in the endurance to do this? And I said, gosh, you know, out of anybody. I know, I guess I do. I can just
To have more work capacity and physical capacity to do
it. Yeah, I'll get get some walks in the sunshine. And man, for me. It's a song like every seems like especially because I've been home more since covid. I'm in the sonnet like almost every freakin day, walk everywhere and then I'll do like yeah, I'll do 20 to 45 minutes. Some kind of strength training or high intensity interval training every day. And I'd honestly like I had, you know, a lot of people quit going to the gym during covid and everything. I got in the best shape of my life, you know, just because I do
I was able to be consistent at home. But yeah, I mean in any I know what we're getting ready to wrap up here, but you know, if I can help you out at all, you know, because I know you doing a lot of good work, but you know, my my jam is Health and Fitness and Nutrition. So anytime I can help you out. Just reach out man. I want, and I know you're doing good work and I want to make sure that you stay healthy yourself. So so any, you know, how to get a hold of me? Anytime you need any tips in that
department? Okay. I will. You're right.
Although I'm not going to run a marathon with you.
We'll listen. It's so important because for covid-19. It's so clear that people who are fit and good condition with good diets. They Breeze through it and people who are obese and unfit. This can be a fatal illness of out of anything. We've learned now is we've had two years of this that people do need to take things seriously and be fit. I actually threw the first year of the pandemic, I intentionally lost weight and ran even more thinking I was going to get tagged in.
I was going to get covid and sure enough I did and I was glad I developed pulmonary covid but I wasn't hospitalized. I even ran on day 8 treatment day, 6 and I was very short of breath but you can do that as long as you're not doing of a fever and just to kind of show America that one can do it. I was outside. I spent almost the entire time outside. Very important covid-19 get outside. Do not stay inside. Do not wear a mask. And keep breathing, Eerie breathing, the virus. You want to actually reduce the viral reloading.
Yeah. Yeah. Well,
Hopefully if even you inspired all my listeners to go go sign up for a marathon, you know, and and and I'm certain that that's the best way to prevent covid, right? Go run. 26 miles. I'm just, I'm just kidding. I do, I personally have become disillusioned with ultra endurance. And I actually I actually think there's a law of diminishing returns when it comes to cardiovascular health, but that's a discussion for another day. Peter. Thanks for coming on my show, man. Sharing all this stuff with has been incredibly helpful and for people listening in, you know,
Peter did like I mentioned, he had a fantastic kind of long form interview with with Joe Rogan and I'll link to that because I think that'd be a good companion. Interview futile. Listen to along with this one and then I'll also link to as papers on the success and early treatment of covid-19. And some of these kind of practical ways that you can that you can do early treatment yourself or as we have established already kind of like Pennies on the dollar for this stuff and I'll just link to all the resources as well as all the other podcast. I've done about this whole Jam.
Go to Ben Greenfield. Fitness.com. / dr. Peter has been Greenville in Stockholm /d are Peter. Peter. Thanks for coming on the show, ma'am. Thanks for having me. All right, I'm Ben Greenfield along with dr. Peter McCullough signing out from Ben Greenfield. Fitness.com have an amazing week.
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