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Hello boys and
girls ladies and germs. Kevin's and toasters. This is Tim Ferriss and welcome to another episode of the random Show episode number 1374. My guest today as always is Kevin Rose mr.
K rows. How are you sir? Dude, it is. I'm so glad we finally got a chance to hang, you know, yeah, for sure that trip together. It had been so long and we finally, you know, now that we're all
X2, what not had a chance to hang out in Marfa,
Texas? We could talk about all that stuff later page. You will, you should do, you should you're
teasing it? So you might as well just describe for
folks. What we ended up doing. It was it was a lot of fun. It was a great time. It was also just fun to crash together me on
the couch. Yeah, you try to get in the bed.
I did. I tried to snuggle into bed. It was freezing and then what we should provide some more context, but I will just say that Kevin's like you
at the couch. I'm like, that's fine. I can crash on the couch and I was like, where the blankets and we found basically like some towels
and it got down to like
mid 40s at night. I was dying. And then the very last day, I was like,
you sure you checked everywhere. It's like, I checked everywhere. I'm like, what about these drawers? I pulled it out under the bed. I'm like you fucker her comforters everywhere. So it was, it was good. Good shirt privation.
All right. Wasn't actually sure. It was isolated Tim privation, but that's okay.
Yeah, there must have been some health benefit from
That cold. It's like a cold Plunge,
at night, for you. Basically is what you're doing. Yeah, it's great. It's crazy. I was fantastic. But what the hell were we doing in Marfa, Texas? And why is Marfa? Texas noteworthy? I can also chimed
in. So, yeah, we were out at Marfa Texas. Which for those that of you that don't know, it's kind of in the middle of nowhere. It is quite the truck to get out there. And so we had a little easier time getting out there, but we got out there and it was the art blocks conference. And so, they were doing their first
First kind of kickoff event. They have a house out there. For those of you that don't know, our blocks is a nft generative art platform. So they were the very first generative platform. Meaning that artists come in. They write code that creates art. So the code actually, you don't know what you're going to get when you're minting it. So when you come in to our blocks and you see a project, that looks cool because you've seen a testament, you go ahead and connect your wallets and when you connect your wallet, you choose make me one of these.
And then it's all random and you get some beautiful, new kind of creative piece of artwork. That is defined by the code. That was written by the artist. So generative Arts, been around for quite some time. But this is the first time we've been able to kind of capture. It's always been art installations. And now that it's captured in in of T's this platform really took off and you and I were like, heck, let's go check out the kickoff event and see what's going on there. And it was
awesome. I said, Kevin, heck, let's get out of here.
Like what the heck? This is exciting. Kevin Rose of. Keep it PG.
It's good here. Ready to move to Utah.
Are we had fun though. Do you like there? Was it felt like early South by didn't it member, you know, southwesterly South by Southwest. Yeah, it felt like it felt like South
by interactive 2007 to be really specific where you could tell there were the seeds of something that was going to grow to be much larger, but it was still being largely.
As a phenomenon, it wasn't even considered phenomenon. It was sort of the the new curiosity that wasn't taken terribly. Seriously. If that makes any sense and then it started to gobble up everything else in terms of interactive and you know, the same way that some people think entities will be ubiquitous in some respects with the ownership economy. And I should say, also for people who are listening to this, if you're like good Lord, is this going to be another entire episode on entities? We are going to talk about nft is but we're going to also
so touch on many, many other things including my experience with finally Contracting covid, will talk about that will talk about all sorts of tools, bio hacks. Many other things
largely have got a full agenda today. All kinds fullest a full agenda,
holiday gift ideas, and we're will cover a lot of ground. So if T's will be part of that, but not all of that. And it was great to hang, then it was so nice to finally be
The spend some time, just the two of us in person. It's been a very, very long time. When would you say the last time is that we were able to do that if we think about kind of the old days right? Just Kev, Kevin Tim. Tim my
bachelor party. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah. So it's been it's
been more than a few years at this point. I do
remote. Oh, you know what? We did my 40th. We might have a 40th birthday in Japan together. That was the last time. We got some real good quality time and that was for years for years.
Ago, which is
crazy. Wow. Yeah so is great. This is great to actually hang and be stupid and drink. Lots and lots of so tall. Oh speaking of
which mmm. Yeah, we should talk about what that so tall is because I thought that was a fantastic drink and you ended up being an investor in this company. That was based in Marfa, which was crazy. And then also, we talked about the old school. We're drinking drinks now, but we used to on the random show. He's talked about what
we were drinking. Yeah. So let's check off the drinks. I'll just
So tall first is so tall. Sot ol is a really fascinating plant that is found in a few different places, certain parts of Texas, like West, Texas and also a few distinct portions of Mexico and when you create a spirit from this, and the company and Martha is Martha spirit, so it's easy to find morphs Perico and we had a lot of so tall. When we were there. It is taste-wise somewhere between
Le and mezcal. So the cooking process is actually very similar to Mezcal which has a smoky feel to it. And that's actually what I'll be drinking today is some Mezcal. So I'll just show what I'm drinking today. This is aqui, no mas aqui, no mas from Oaxaca, which is a artisanal Mezcal, and it is
It is dot dot. Dot will find out. This was a gift from a friend because he knows that I like Mezcal and he brought this back. So, this is what I'll be drinking today, but we had were at least two different types of so tall when we were in Marfa and we also had Marfa Spirits stole that has been aged in. I want to say rum barrels which gave it an incredible flavor. So that was a blast in Marvel but today
It is aqui. No mas. From Oaxaca. What are you drinking?
I am just having some it's a little earlier where I am versus where you are. So I want some
champagne actually, so I'm doing be a
cart champagne, which for me,
just the rose a, I know it sounds, you know,
it is what it is. You live in Portland. You have Japanese /. Chinese
calligraphy art work on the end. You have a designer hypoallergenic, dog on a bed behind you. So I think I think it matches it
works. This is
This is the guest bedroom. But yeah, so I mean, do you know what? I wanted to come out and say I love champagne. Champagne is good. I'm sorry. It is just a good beverage. It's like it doesn't Spike my glucose and I think, I think that be a cart for under $100 like Champagnes and get really expensive obviously for under $100. You know, I think they like 60 bucks or so. It's like the best. It's fantastic.
So that's my plug for be a card. I'm not a sponsor, although, if you want spots, maybe a cart, love that.
I'll give you actually, I'll give people a two-for-one because I had two choices. I'm more than two choices, but it decided to narrow it down to Mezcal. And then tequila and this tequila here, which I'm not having today. But I've had before, I was introduced to a few weeks ago. It's called Lalo. It's made in lexical and made in lexico. It's Made in Mexico,
Lalo,
and it is 100% Agave as well Blanco tequila, and it's from Los Altos De Jalisco. It's
It has sort of a vegetable green M&M flavor to it, which is for my palate. My experience at least pretty unusual with tequila. And I was introduced to this at a restaurant called sweat. They here in Austin. Is that a Blanca? Yeah, it is. And well, it's Agave Azul Blanco. So I guess it is a Blanco. Yeah, Blanco tequila
and nobody had Martha. We
had dragon as which we both love
Castle Casa dragones. That is a fantastic tequila.
Ha. That's also a great tequila. So, thank you, too. Naughty Foundation. Or I
guess. Thank you cuz he's not going is for
probably sponsoring the jannati foundation weekend, at least that event. So that
was that was a rare opportunity. I use there was just like serving
consider going inside of a booth and to everyone who was there. I was like, you know, even if you don't love to kill you should go try that because it's like $300, a bottle and they're just pouring it like its water. So you should try
some. It's funny you. And I showed up this, basically, I mean, it was like a buffet.
Right, like, you know, we worship this event. It's like a buffet of the bunch of people and it's in the middle of nowhere, you know, this field and shit with buildings falling down all around. And, and, and we're like, I'm looking on, like, there's try going his holy shit and like, you, and I like each other. We're like, we just go tap into that. That's like free money right there because that stuff's expensive things like started, hit the freezer bag. Donuts. I was like, I'm gonna see if they can make it neat because member, they were like making mixed drinks. I'm like, I just want like to pour this on like a little flasks and take it home.
Home is good
deal. Yeah, it was the greatest sort of asymmetry between value on your plate for food and
value in your drink. It was yeah, it was like a garden scramble it with like a 300 articulate. Apparently it was awesome. It was great. Kevin. Where should we go? Where should we start? I
feel like maybe since we are talking about booze. This leads right into biohacking. Yeah, we can
start really anywhere you
want to start but why don't you jump?
Into that because you have you've been doing more experimentation, or at least voluntary experimentation. Then I have recently. Yeah,
absolutely. And, you know, I will say first and foremost that you, I mean, you've obviously had PRT on your show many. Many times when we mention these crazy bio hacks. Always best to go back to his
podcast and refer to these episodes, where he talks about these in great detail. Because even better to talk to your own doctor
because no doubt, this constitutes medical advice. Be yes
to teach
Here, Peters descriptions and greater length. His podcast will not disappoint on the detail
side, right? Yeah. I'm just a consumer. He's you know, a has real scientists that he interviews and whatnot. So for me, I've been following the news around rapamycin for a while, which is the potential right now. The drug is used for immune suppression in transplant patients. So if you get a new organ, high-dose rubber rubber, my sin is used to suppress immune system. So your body doesn't reject the organs, but they've shown that in lower Doses and all
From types of you know, mice and rats and now hopefully in dogs here. Pretty soon through something called the dog aging
project dot org, which I
actually helped fund their most recent study out of the University of Washington. You'll be lucky. I didn't know you did that as well. That's awesome. Yeah. So essentially there were hoping that this will also translate. I mean they've already shown improvements in dog cardiovascular health in aging dogs, and it looks like it's working in terms of
Of extending life and dogs and the hope there and a teal will talk about this on his podcast. I mean, he's been taking it for a
couple of years. Now, low
dose, the hope there is that'll actually extend life in humans as well. So I decided to try an eight-week cycle of it. I did it people vary on what they believe is the correct dosage and the correct duration and whether you should cycle it or not and there's a bunch of just unknowns right there. So I just want to see what it would do. If I noticed anything different, like I had some knee joint pain.
In my right knee, that hadn't gone away for a few months that went away. But you know, I stopped it and the Barnacles on your right,
testicle. You told me the Gaza. They're
gone now. Yeah, clean as a whistle like a couple of boiled eggs down there, just beautiful. This is what happens when we introduce you in pain. Big car Championship, go straight ahead. They want to sponsor the next episode. Okay, so the dog aging
Eject, you know, I figured well, mr. Toast. Who's sitting behind me on the video, you know, he's looking so alive right now. He's like, he's like, he's dead. Looks like a tuna fish laid out on the beach. Yeah, exactly. See a toaster is 11 now and I decided like let's get him on the dose that they're using in the dog aging project and I'm not joking. Tim. Like there is a absolute difference, absolute events. Like darn. I will tell you that he jumps he so he didn't he's having some hip issues is getting older like his
Just kind of slip out from underneath him from time to time. It doesn't help that we have concrete floors, and it makes it a little more slippery for him. But he's jumping up on people. Now, when they come in the house and and including us and just a level of excitement and kind of energy and everything else. That's come out of me. He's been on it for about two months. Now, it is working. So I have no doubt that those early studies around cardiovascular health and obviously that will extend dog life to a certain extent. So we'll see what it is. Whether it's
5% or 10% or 20% or whatever.
Maybe, I think we
I powered the study now to what detect up to 20%? Is that right? I
had to look and see what?
Because that was the original, the additional funds that
we recently put in order that I
recently put in. If you were part of the original funding or the
add-on, good question. Yeah. This is all through the foundation. I'd have to go back and look. Yeah. The how did you feel? Did you notice anything subjectively? Obviously, who knows, you're not doing a placebo control
trial. The only thing was that my right knee was bugging me in.
Is kind of a dull pain for many months and that, that went away. But I mean it's in a one, dude, that could have gone away for. So other than that in that lie. Yeah, it's so
tricky with this stuff, right, because it will talk about my code experience later. But whenever you take something, there's this phenomenon of regression to the mean, right? Which is when you are at your worst. This is not a perfect example with the knee. But like, when you are feeling your worst, you're likely to throw the kitchen sink, where everything and the kitchen sink at something.
And that is also frequently when you are at the peak after which, you begin to regress, to the mean, which is kind of your normal Baseline. So it's really hard to determine causality. But great that your knee is in bothering you.
Yeah. Yeah, then I stopped it in four weeks later. I just had a steroid shot on my shoulder today. That's like, think I tore something in my shoulder, but that's, you know, just getting old one thing. I will say and because there's going to be a ton of people asking this question. I have an older, dog. How do I get my dog on this?
There is a study, you can go to the dog aging project.org., You can apply to be in that study. But the easier way honestly, is to talk to your vet and have the vet go to the project. Go to the site. They have dosing instructions for what they're using in the study and under a vet supervision if they're willing to do it in some will including my vet out here. Once I explained everything, you can prescribe it off label to dogs. And so toaster takes two milligrams a week for his body weight and, you know, that's going to vary.
For your dog, and I'm not a veterinarian but talk to her daughter that shown the project and, and they might roll the dice with you, but so far, so good with toast. And, you know, I just love to get an x to the three years out of toast. Like that would be the most amazing. You know, this sounds like your family. How long is toast right now?
Again, 1111. Yeah. I feel you, man. Molly, seven and I would imagine, but I don't know enough about the science to say this with any confidence that like many things, the earlier the intervention.
The more likely you are to kind of avert different icebergs. I would have to imagine that's the case but that's a question for the scientist. Yeah. Spice to say I would love to see toast around for much much longer time. I remember in one of the very first random shows when he was a little puppy chewed through our microphone cables when we did it in person in San Francisco. Do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah,
tester was tested. Was that the king of chewing through cables? He chewed through a power cable.
Oil that was not plugged in one time we came home and it was like he had gone all the way through as like that would have been the end of him. He was at that time. He was like 10 pounds. That's just like a fried dose
fried toast.
So what other what other experiments have you been doing? So dude, I've got a couple crazy things. I've been playing, you know, it's like you go through these these times when you don't do any biohacking stuff. And then you go go deep and I started a new drug called as M pick. And the reason I did this.
Is a couple reasons one, I've always had poor glucose control. So when I did a glucose tolerance test, which is basically you go to your doctor. They make you drink a hundred percent glucose like a pure sugar drink and then they draw your blood and they check your insulin levels and your glucose levels and they check it every 30 minutes for like two
hours and they want to see how
high does it get? And how long does it, stay that high? And how
quickly do you return back to your Baseline
and mine? I've always had what's called bad, poor glucose disposal and a TIA
was the first to detect this at me and there's a bunch of stuff you can do, you can do zone, two cardio. You can sensitize your muscles. Like you can do a lot of things that will will suck up glucose and
get you back quicker.
But there was this drug that came out called as empik. It's been out for a while. Now that does a few things one. It helps lower glucose, which is great. It is, is a subcutaneous injection. So it's a little tiny pin that you get they send it to, you know, you get from Pharmacy. You push this little pen against your stomach and you don't even feel it because it goes in a quarter of an inch.
Does this little tiny injection of 0.25 milligrams? But they also showed that it reduced. There was a 39 percent reduction in non fatal stroke and a 26 percent relative risk, reduction of a major cardiac event, which on my family side, my my dad and my grandfather. Both died from heart disease and heart attacks. And and what was hard tack on my dad and stroke and my grandpa. And so, for me while I'm not diabetic, it's a no-brainer and gets get this. The number one side effect is weight loss.
And so I've had a couple buddies that I have 11 buddy has been on for seven months, lost, 15 pounds of belly fat and looks great. Now, another buddy just started a couple months ago lost like is lost 5 pounds of belly fat. And I like those Portland beers and I was just like, this is going to be a great little like, you know, nice little trimming, you know, if I can get that benefit as well. So, but I will say, there are side effects that are unpleasant as well. So let me tell you what, not just like magical,
Is appear in your
wallet, and your penis gets larger and
you lose belly. Fat. Sounds great.
I'm, if you find that drug, I'm in but so this one's tricky because a lot of doctors will prescribe it at 0.5 milligrams versus .25 and at point five you get some nausea for the first couple days and it's intermittent. So it's not like non-stop nausea, but what some doctors do including mine is a slow ramp, so I started .25 and you do it for about
Four weeks and then you go up 2.5 then with the goal of getting to 1 milligram once a week. And so that's exciting. I'm really excited for his epic. That's so a couple other really quick ones. Let's do you have any throw in? If you've been trying thing, new?
Well, I have been trying things to do, but I'm gonna, I'm Gonna Save that definitely covid
the category of covid. Yes, please continue. All right, so a couple other things, fantastic article week, which we can put in the show notes from the Atlantic where they did, they found
The Prozac of the Middle Ages, is what they called it. And so back in the Middle Ages. There used to be, they found out there were these nuns that used to get high off of taking saffron. So saffron like, you haven't cooking food, is a very potent, happy drug. And they used to have these people call these Croaker's, where they, who are these people that they harvest saffron and they would have to take a break when they were packaging, the saffron to avoid getting the
Eagles because they would laugh so much from just packaging in smelling the stuff. And so saffron is super. It's almost like a yeah, it's almost like a like a happy drugs, like Prozac. But so I was doing some research and I was like, okay, maybe they'll have in supplement form. I found some like shady stuff on Amazon is like, I'm not gonna do this, but this company, I finally found one that I trust is all a brand o Allah why you've probably seen it before. You can look it up in your show notes. They call it the happy gummy worms and they offer gummy worms. Now.
That
are infused with saffron with a good enough dose to get you. A little bit of that, that happy feeling, like this little bit of the croakies, little bit of the crook. He's
a little bit of the cookies. So
that's fun to play with. And then, the last one is, I remember from 4-Hour,
Chef, that good saffron, really good. Saffron is very expensive. That was, it's yes. 100
percent by weight. It's more expensive than gold. It's just crazy. Do you know Zach Williams at all?
If you ever met Zach Williams, maybe wait a second. I think I have in the Bay Area. Yeah, Robin Williams son. Yeah. Yeah. I
don't know if we've ever met in person. So I shouldn't, I shouldn't say, but there's a good chance that we've bumped into each other at some
point. Yeah. I mean, he's definitely in some, some similar friends, circle of Zach's. It's just a fantastic human. And after his father Robin Williams passed away. He became obsessed with mental health, and trying to figure out things that he could do. That could improve people's well-being, and he came
Out with this mu choose called, pimp eym there. On Amazon. You can link in the show notes, but it's actually a really basic basic thing. It's just Gaba, l-theanine, and Rhodiola, which is all these kind of like really stress, like anti-anxiety type mu choose and he sent me some and I didn't try them for a while and then dry as like I want to try some of these in my wife. She got hooked on. She's these are amazing. She's like, I don't even she takes them and she's like, I don't want to drink anymore. She's like 12 ever. She wants a glass.
Just take a couple. Yeah, and you know, she's that's why I'll to juice. Yeah. Well, she's still drinks, but
not 10:00 a.m. On Tuesday,
right? Exactly. So that they're that good 10 a.m. To put their accent. They're awesome. And you know, I got to give Zach is like in this for the right reasons. He's not putting any funky weird ingredients in it. And you know, he's just such a good human. I wanted to give him a shout out
because because that's great. I will say also that I am a big fan of l-theanine for a number of reasons.
Really helpful for in some respects, taking the edge off of coffee consumption. So if we have a technically coffee, but this what I mean, so if you have a tendency to perhaps over caffeinate and get into the kind of creepy crawly, Trainspotting end of the spectrum, then the l-theanine can help minimize some of that. Rhodiola has, very interesting for developing endurance, and for endurance output. Also, that one is interesting on a multiple.
Well, almost you have any idea why it's called
Pym.
I believe that's his middle
name. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, they get.
So, yeah, what will link to that in the show notes
Pym, original mooches. You can find them on
Amazon. It was, it was something like it was also you baked in the supplement of says, something like something your mood like prove your mood or improve II camera what it was. But he also put in the name of the actual chew itself. There. He had a double meaning for
it. I like simple interventions or simple supplements that
At have two or three variables because
otherwise if
it's just a laundry list of 27 things, especially and you know, I say this as someone who knows this industry pretty well if it's a proprietary blend. So you don't know the actual ratios of these ingredients. It's very hard. If not impossible to determine what is doing. What right? Whereas if you have three at the very least, if you then wanted to try to determine for yourself, which of those three was having an impact.
Not right. There are ways to actually Placebo blind as an end of one as a single subject. People can just look up Quantified Self and blinding or Placebo control to learn more about that. But you could actually do a deep dive on each of those three and further tests to try to determine for yourself, which is not possible. If you're just getting something with 30 or 40 or 50 ingredients, which you do see in some cases. Yeah, the you're right. The you'll see these proprietary blends.
And there's
like no no clue how much they they don't list any amounts in there. There's just like 30
ingredients. Yeah, not very helpful. As I've learned. I keep giving these teasers. I will say that when I was diagnosed with covid. The very first thing I realized is if I were to take the advice of everyone sending me advice right now, I would almost certainly die of several dozen contraindications.
Do what was the vision? What was just getting a little taste before we get into? What?
The weirdest things I'm going to tell you to
do
not the whale thing that I
choked out. Well, we were I have to I have to just say that we were joking about whale semen. I think gargling with whale semen or something or youth said that I want to give you proper credit and then I was joking with another friend of mine who asked me the same question. He's like, what's the, what's the best advice you've received? And I said, well, I think somebody told me to gargle with horse semen. I used horse semen and he
said, you know, actually
it would be great if after you recover.
You talk about this seriously as like an April Fool's
joke because people would be
jerking off horses around the planet would be the best prank ever. I did not end up deciding that would be a good idea. But I mean the most harebrained kind of craziness. You can imagine. I mean every alternative remedy possible so you pick it? There was a recommendation, right? It just it kind of doesn't matter and we can come back to this but it's like it is interrelated.
Did with the problem of determining, not just determining causation, but avoiding contraindications, which is really, really, really important. So, we'll come back to that. And part of the reason, I keep delaying this folks, if they're just like, why the t, is why the tease is, because people get crazy on both sides. I've noticed that the people on Far ends of the sort of conspiracy Spectrum, or on the political Spectrum are kind of like a horseshoe when it comes to.
Covid. They like, bend around towards each other and they actually get very, very similar. So there's no way for me not to upset people when I talk about covid and the various steps that I took and so on. I'm excited to hear this. Yeah, we'll still delay. It will save it but and it may be a disappointing punchline for folks, but that's why we're pushing off because we have a lot of fun stuff to talk about. I will say, Let me throw something in related, which was when I was isolating. So as soon as I was diagnosed,
I ended up isolating about 24 hours or 36 hours later first, requesters myself upstairs, my girlfriend, stay downstairs, and then I ended up isolating myself in a separate location, so that my girlfriend wouldn't get sick. And I found Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee to be in here credible.
No, it's not a cure. I found
it.
To be extremely psychologically helpful and real Gem of a discovery when I was stuck in this apartment by myself for 10 days. And so I would make a habit of watching two or three episodes when I got up and two or three episodes, if I got really tired, you had two or three episodes right before bed and it allowed me to obviously in a synthetic way but to interact with people and to feel like I was socializing on
Level, I loved it. So I really, really, really applaud Jerry Seinfeld for first and foremost designing, a format for himself. That is the most fun and easy could possibly have in putting together a show. And for people who don't know the format. He basically gets to drive. He likes Classic Cars and Cars in general. So he gets to drive an incredible classic car, different classic car every episode and he goes to pick up.
One of his friends to go get coffee and bullshit and talk about comedy and life and so on, and it gets cut down to 17 minutes. It's just a genius format after coming out of the show Seinfeld in the 90s, which was I don't want to say a Death March, that's too severe but it's so much work, right? So much incredible work to put that show together and to sustain it for that long. So to do the opposite and create a format that is
Fun, really easy and excuse to hang out with your friends. Kind of like the random show, quite frankly. It was great. So I really recommend people check out Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee. I watch it on Netflix. Bob Einstein is probably my favorite episode that super Dave. Larry David also, amazing Sarah Silverman, always incredible Garry Shandling, lot of Old-Timers. Some of which are no longer with us are kind of captured for posterity. So highly recommend Comedians and
Cars Getting
Coffee. Speaking of things that just make you feel good. Have you watched Ted? Lasso? I have
not watched said last year yet. It's been
recommended at least
1001 times to me and I haven't watched it yet,
Tim and everyone else so that hasn't watched it and everyone that has watches screaming right now. Yes, please Tim. Watch this. You have to see Ted lasso.
It is really really good. It is on the to watch list what my girlfriend and I have been slowly chipping away at when we watch something.
Short together, because we're not always.
In the mood to watch something, that's 90 minutes or 2 hours long like if you have them. So we'll watch shits Creek and we're making our way through. Yeah, all the seasons of shits Creek, which is amazing. But Ted lasso, I remember polling on social at one point, like, what series should I binge watch next in needs to be of a certain length and it needs to be first and foremost feel good. Right? Like if you get your attitude, it's your all you just gave your face kicked in during the day. This is something you would look forward to watching.
After such a day and Ted lasso was probably the most consistent recommendation. But dude, you, you have to do this like tonight. Like,
seriously. It is real. Yes. Funny. Because, like, when I think of like, for me, I'm not like a soccer fan or, you know, football as they call it in some parts of the world. If possible. I'm just not a fan of it. I'd not that I couldn't get into it, but it's just like not for me. It's not about that. It's about the relationships and and it's funny and sweet and it's in
Earring, like there's a lot to love. Anyway. I'm into it. I'm into it. Sweet.
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All right, cameras, what other what other news? What other exciting updates? Finding? Yeah. Do you like to share? I
have one last one last nft thing and I promise we won't talk about in FTS because you and I both got the sickness.
Oh, no, but you're doing a great job. I feel like I am doing a very junior varsity job. I feel like you have sort of full spectrum. Expertise. I'm very impressed. You're like the you're like a decathlete of NF teas right now, the theme.
Yeah, you're welcome. You're welcome. Yeah, I've been very impressed with your with your shotput.
Especially, I think you and I are both kind of tell me if this is true for you. I think it is like, I like to go. Well, it's definitely true for me. I like to go light on a lot of different things until I get hooked on something and then I go really, really deep.
It's like if I get the hook, yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
So, so NFC is I got that I got that. But anyway, I guess there's a couple things to mention one. People should be aware of just an overarching Trend that's happening.
Opening and in ftes, that is without a doubt the future. So it's just important that people should know about this like Sarah Jessica, Parker just a launch in
nft for her wine.
And at first, you think everyone thinks about nft as they think about these are just pictures their photos. Their jpegs. They're being captured in the blockchain. There people are trying to pretend their art or whatever and they're selling them and they don't necessarily think about actually the technology and how it can be applied to different things and what
They have done with her Wine Company in which she is done. That's really impressive is they've used in ft's as utilities. And so what I mean by that is if you collect one of her wine in FTS is not about saying this is a piece of art. I'm going to hold in my home. It's about showing ownership over membership of something. So it's a membership to her wine clubs, you get your wine allocation based on.
The fact that you actually hold one of these in Ft, so that may sound boring. But if you think about it, it's really interesting in that. Now that can be resold to someone else. Let's say, I buy an allocation of her wine that was going to be my
main question. Not to interrupt, but I will. Yeah, you can like wine clubs have existed for a long time, right? Where you have like Soho house and you have memberships. So people have figured out how to have exclusive membership. So is the unique aspect of this that the sale of that?
Ft cannot, or in this case, isn't being constrained rise. That
was that good. Well, think of it this way. Okay. So let's think about some of the most scarce things in the wine world. And let's talk about Napa Valley for a second. There are two wineries that are far and above, like
the cult-like hottest, Wineries and Napa Valley.
It Screaming Eagle and is Harlan estate. And I say that with a slight conflicts. I'm on The Advisory Board of Harlan estate, but these little it's fantastic wine. It really is. It's theirs.
Everyone would agree with that, same with us in the wine
world. It is
now, imagine you don't exclude me just
because I'm not in the wide world. I enjoy Harlan estate.
Yeah, you know what, it, you know, it's a bit. What's
usually when I'm just riding on your coattails, but that's okay,
but imagine Harlan, you know, let's take screaming a deal because I don't want to show my own stuff here. So Screaming Eagle is I believe it's around four thousand dollars
a bottle right now, which is just Madness,
right? But the wait list to get on their actual allocation is something like
You get 30 years. So that means if you go to their website today and say, I want to sign up for your wine program. It's going to take you 20 to 30 years to even get considered to be offered an allocation. And that's not just because they're being dicks. It's actually a very small producer, so they don't have a lot of wind to sell. So they have to wait for people to come off that way
list. Now, In fairness, they could expand production if they wanted, but they know how to constraints apply because it's Ultra Premium, right?
Well, yes and no they'll they have this Hillside. That is very high.
As very specific climate, very specific soil conditions like that. You can't just grow that without compromising
some quality, right? Yeah.
So there's other ways you could do sub-brand or something like that. You could expand it. They actually have one called second flight, which is like,
there's smaller, less expensive, five hundred dollar bottle kind of sub brand type thing. So
imagine membership is no longer about someone retiring and the new person coming on but about it being a liquid environment. So, if I had a membership, I'm like Tim. I want to get rid of my screaming gold membership. I
When the sin of T was a hundred dollars, ten years ago. And now what would that cost? I bet you that membership would go for twenty five fifty thousand dollars or more. And so now that can be real screaming, screaming eagle. Yes. Or minimum. Are you kidding me? Yes. Yes, exactly. If the bottle costs for Grant. It's just ragging. I should say just
but a lot of the value is and bragging rights, right? Right. Just having access. So somebody there's no ceiling
for what some right spesso now. Here's the crazy thing.
Thing, when I sell that to like let's say I sell it to you because of what's written into the code in the smart contract behind the scenes for the nft 10% of that sale could go back to the manufacturers to the producer. So they are in essence, the artist, receiving a commission on the resale of their membership. So this is going these types of utility and ftes are going to be coming and it's not just going to apply to Wine. It can be applied to individual objects as well. You can imagine no longer waiting in.
Fine for some crazy Supreme drop or some Yeezys sneaker drop. You get the end of tea instead and then price Discovery happens in the secondary market via in ftes. And then if you decide to destroy the end of T, you'll actually get shipped the actual shoes from the manufacturer gets rid of fraud. At the same time. It's an amazing
Joy. Meaning you see you're sending it to a wallet that is known to be an
accessible. Well, what you would do is let's say for example that and this doesn't exist today, but it will in the near future. So this
This is coming. Let's say you have a limited edition Air, Jordan and ft. Right? And you're like, I actually want this pair of shoes. You bought it on the secondary Market. It started selling Nike sold it for $250. You bought it for 1,000 and you're like, it's going for 2000, but I actually want the pair. So rather than have to go on eBay or any of the secondary Market places in figure out, are these legit shoes? I know there's, there's other places. They are Clearing Houses to determine whether or not, they're legit, but you could go direct a Nike and say, Nike, here's my wallet. I'm
Connect my actual, crypto currency wallet, here's my nft. So I proved that I have the rights to one of these pairs of shoes. Now take my nft. And you will destroy it. And in return, you will present me with a form, where I put in my shipping address. You'll actually ship me the physical shoes. It is so cool and it's coming. So, anyway, that's a little Preamble on what is going on in the industry. So, I have a little announcement to make. So I have a podcast called proof that is all about.
Covering the nft space and I've been lucky to have a pretty decent audience. We're up to 250 thousand downloads per episode on, which is just crazy for the nft world. And I'm going to be offering a utility nft to these listeners. So I'm gonna do 1,000 and FTS in total that our utility, and they will unlock Early Access to podcasts, a private collectors, only Discord, and unfortunately, a bunch of perks that I have planned, but I can't talk about. I talk.
Some legal counsel and they always say, don't promise things like over-deliver, but don't make it outrageous promises, but rest assured, I'm gonna do everything in my power to make sure that this membership is just awesome. But Tim, I don't want to be a commercial. I think this is going to apply to all podcast, dude. Like I think that there's a world where in my mind. I don't know. You might get this out. You might cut this off. I say it, but I'm gonna say it anyway. Don't cut it out. You do this every other random show and I usually keep it at go ahead, will say, I would buy.
If you're in a teach not to hear your ads dude, like if I could cut if I could get a Tim utility and of tea cut out the ads, get access to episodes and behind the scenes like additional extended footage. This is where things are going to go. Like, you'll hold something. And whoever the Creator is is going to provide additional benefits additional things for Their audience. I'm telling you in the next two years, you'll see so many podcasts adopting this type of model. Not just podcast, but sites in general.
Oil will be adopting this type of model.
So if someone buys Kev Kev and ft is
called proof the proof in of tea, but yes, I love that you're trying to rename. It Kev Kev, Kev. So if people buy the proof, Kev Kevin ft. Yeah, they
could also flip that and sell that six months later to give someone else the same
access. That's right. You sell the entity off to someone else and then they immediately
receive all the perks going forward from that point. You're such a crafty little monkey. You
really are? You're gonna be
Doing this will be applicable to what you're doing. I know it could be quite, honestly, I feel
like I've been thinking and KOJA dating and meditating on this too long. And honestly, the novelty of all of this will have worn off. By the time I do anything and therefore I have less interest, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I'm curious to hear from you. Why do this? You have a great life, great set.
Tup got plenty of things to keep you busy. Why do this of all things that you could do? I what do you get out of this? I mean, of course, you could get income from the initial sales of the Kev. Kev. I'm kidding. The
proof and empty,
but there have to be other reasons. So, why are you doing
this? This is at my core. It's one of the proof podcast is probably since diggnation it is in. You know, obviously I show we do host Stinger, almost
Her know I would say it's the most fun that I've ever had dude. Like I'm I think we're both in this boat of like being creative people. I love building things. I've been a builder and an entrepreneur for many times. This is this a breakup conversation. Is this the small song? I'm just saying like the reason I want to do it is because I want to help these artists get off the ground. And I think that this is the future. I truly believe that in, you know, a hundred years from now, we'll look back on.
Krypto punks and these early project is being a Changing of the Guard. In a brand, new shift, in a way to capture value. And we're in the very first Innings. It's the same excitement level. I got in 2004, when I started dig at the very beginning of web to web 3 has the same gut I wake up at 5:00 a.m. I can't stop thinking about things. Tim, when you were laying on my couch, when we were in Marfa. You said the same thing. You're like, I can't believe. I know, I know because it's a wig. Siding and Ike I get
When you get that much excitement, I'm like, how can I help make this a reality? And that's what I want to do.
So, you know what? I'm going to share one of those ideas right now because if you hasn't grabbed it by now, he should have grabbed it.
Yes. I know you're on the same style of this, so we couldn't sleep.
We're thinking of all of these may be genius. Mostly half-assed.
Ridiculous ideas. We got tell me. Dau is first. Yeah. All
right, so well,
Was come up a couple times on the podcast down the aisle. Is it? Go for it? Give it a quick quick. Give it a quick summary. So in the world of web 3 and crypto, there's something called the doubt. It's a decentralized autonomous organization. It basically means a fancy way of saying, a group of people coming together, decentralised being like independently to work on something together. Work on a project together, collect entities together, whatever it may be so a dow is a very common. It's like saying like a new Corporation or new LLC, so
There's all these Dowsers, Flamingo, Dow. There's like metadata elephant Friends with Benefits
million million of them and they're going to be a billion more of them. Yeah. Okay good. So and you can, you can use them or I should say, design them for many, many different purposes. And so, for the few days that we're in Marfa, everyone's drinking booze were routinely, just coming up with more and more, ridiculous. Douse, that could be. And I wanted the Tim
Tim. Now the
That would be huge, right? The tim-tim doubt. And then I thought I was for whatever reason
thinking.
Of cartoons. Because as you mentioned, I used to be an illustrator and paid a lot of my expenses in college as a graphic illustrator for magazines. And so on, I was thinking of cartoons and then I realized, oh my God, I need to send a text to Scott Adams. So for those who don't know, I'll actually back into it. So the Dow is called Dill
dou P, IL T. AO, and the dildo
would be
Add a bow
for fans of Dilbert and one of the most successful comic strips of all time. And so, I texted
him, he texted him. Yeah, it's accident has like, trust me on this. Please just go out and buy Delta.com. Build out Alex Wyse. He something like that and he replied
given that he hasn't heard from him. God knows, you know, three or four years. I think it was a very polite response given the the absurdity of my texts and is
I'm like,
hi, Tim. Great to hear from you. I think I need a little more context.
So there you have it until do it. Maybe taken it may not so throughout the race to goes to the Swift. What the hell were we talking about? Oh, we're talking about, well, three and how excited you are and I
should also say, yes. I'm very
excited. I encourage people to listen to my conversation, with Chris Dixon and of all ramakant. That really goes kind of Soup To Nuts with a lot of this stuff. What I would be interested to know from you.
Is if we look at some of the benefits that you are offering, right, like you were in a very unique, very, very unique and not accidental position at all. You have navigated the world of web 39 ft. So brilliantly. I have to give credit where credit is due. And I've said this to a number of friends of mine. I'm like, man, it's like this playing field is so perfectly designed for Kevin superpowers. They don't apply in all places. They don't line up in all places, but like, you know,
You're weird
quirks and nerdiness and superpowers all line up for this fucking weird. Thing called Web 3, specifically NFD, is it's hilarious. It's just
like every time I get
news like that. Obviously a lot of it is private. I'm just like of
course, of course, this is
working. Amazing. So congratulations and it's fun to watch, but I want to ask you what some of let's say. I did my own nft or something along these lines.
Might some of the benefits be that I would provide that would not be stripping out at that could be but
quite frankly. I've tested this
before with memberships. Ultimately it turned out that most of my fans are should say most. But a lot of my fans recognize the wedding and selection that I do with products. They don't mind it and they would rather hear the ads then pay. That just seems to be true for the vast majority of my audience. They can fast forward. They would much prefer to let
Answers shoulder. The burden of keeping the podcast going, and growing then pay even 15 bucks a month. Doesn't matter. They don't want to do it. Now. Maybe that changes. Once they have an asset that could appreciate maybe a changes. I don't know if just the economic model, has some difference, but what are some other benefits that I might be able to provide that are not going to make me want to smash my head through a car door window because I'm like, why did I ever agree to do all of these things?
Yeah, well, I think on the ad saying just touching on that briefly. There are going to be let's just call it 50 thousand. People are something that are would love to have a no add version of your show, right? It may not be massive numbers, but there's going to be some subset of that that would be stoked but I think Tim it's more about. What do you do early that? You don't share with the rest of us and how can you share that back to your community of insiders? Because like, when I think about what I do is finding these early artists, it's
Finding these, you know, what? How can I tell people about this stuff before it becomes big and so for you? What is that crazy? I mean, not so much these days but like in back in the day, would have been like what's the crazy biohack that you're on or maybe what's the new transcript of the book that you're going to publish? Or an early Galley? Copy that no one gets to see. Are you? They all get to see before everyone else? Yeah, there's things that are exclusively you that you could say, here's my private Discord where we do a Q&A, which is only four members as just with,
Because I'm sure a lot of your listeners have tons of questions. You probably get via email and you could do that in a real format where you actually get to interact with the smaller subset. Do I could have done 10,000 or 15,000 and of tees for this roof Collective, but I wanted to keep it a thousand because that's a number that if I go to a city and I host a private meet up, it'll be a hundred people or whatever, or 50 people because, you know, people be distributed all over the place and I can you manage that number and I can hang out, we can have conversations. So, you know.
Oh, Tony Robbins does is, he has like a really high-end here of people that pay a like a, exactly. And so, this is like access to. You access to pick your brain, your knowledge. It's a different. It's a deeper connection to you.
Basically. Yeah, I suppose what I'm trying to figure out. I understand in the case of proof and modern Finance. Like if people for instance were able to listen to the podcast a week earlier and this is not investment advice. I'm not saying this is
He did, but there's a possibility. Those people could do really well from an investment standpoint. If they really know what they're doing. There's a lot of incentive in that case. And it's not a very heavy lift for you to provide say a separate RSS feed that's available to a smaller subset of people. There are so many things that that I could do, right? Like for instance. I could have something where it's like a hundred people as members and they have to pay a hundred thousand dollars a year. I'm sure I could figure out a way to make that work. I could make that valuable enough just by selecting the
those hundred people properly. So there's value in the network. I could make it work. I could make it worth it and worth much more financially, but I'm like, do I want to do that? I remember, I thought about doing that
and then one of my friends was like,
well, you could just end up babysitting billionaires who think they have
24/7 access. Yeah. That's a problem. I do you want that? And I'm like,
no, I don't want that. So I decided not to do it.
That's not adding any value back. That's like just rubbing elbows with the
people that are already really
wealthy. Like I think you have to go a little bit wider.
Man, I would push back a little bit in the sense that I could make that very valuable in part because I could add people to the community who are not buying in. So, there are ways that I could make that very, very valuable. The question for me is like what will nourish me and not deplete. Me. The numbers are fun. The money's fun. Like let's be honest, right? It's a nice clean obvious way of kind of putting points on the scoreboard, having them taken away so that I think
Think is understandable. Right? It's sort of like, the gamification of life is this thing called money, beyond our kind of subsistence needs. But so, what I'm wondering is, like, what could I do? That would actually nourish me right there. What? I know what the answer
is, 100% dumb. It's really easy this in. This is what my Approach is going to be and it should be yours as well. When you launch a program like this. It's not about, knowing it's about trying 20, different things and two or three of those.
Not be really nourishing to you. And you're going to say this is amazing and I want to do more of this, and your fans will love it because you'll try a Q&A. You'll try a live event. You'll try early podcast. You'll just try a bunch of different things and all of a sudden, something will click, and it's about the experimentation. That's what web three is right now. I see. So you just have to set the expectation up front, right? Because if you say, hey,
this is an exaggeration, obviously, but if
you're like, hey, I'm gonna go ice
skating with you in Rockefeller Center every winter,
right? And then you
You're like wait. I changed my mind after they buy the nft. You're like actually I hate I can't stand
Tony. I don't want to go ice skating with Tony anymore. So you're gonna have to just set the expectation then I guess up front like hey, I'm going to try a bunch of stuff. And if I'm only going to keep doing the stuff that's fun
basically. And and also they have to know that you're Tim you have a reputation you're going to deliver on something that you sell, there's no doubt. You never haven't. And I think that's the unique thing that whether it be a Gary vaynerchuk. Are you or me? We care too much.
About our reputation to like grab money and run. So we're going to deliver on this in some way. We don't know what it's going to be. I'll try 10 15, different things. I guarantee the be some things are going to be, you will find that your fans will love and you'll enjoy
doing slip and slide in Manhattan. This should definitely be one connect for with,
Tim connect for
connect, for, with Tim. That's right. Mr. Westerwelle. Twister twister is the one I was gone for. Yeah.
So where can people learn more about the proof and ft? Is there a place to go? I guess they should just go to your Twitter handle. Where would you
suggest they? They go. I would say something to us in there. Like, tell me more Kevin Rose. How do I do this? My way main website for it is proof dot x, y z, and on the top there,
there will be a link for a newsletter. If you
subscribe to that newsletter, those will be the first people to know along with Twitter, but Twitter you can miss because it can just go down, you know, stream. But the newsletter folks will get it in their
inbox and then you are in the Kevin Rose flywheel.
Infinite Joy. It's so beautiful.
It's a beautiful. I love the flywheel. You mean, I forget to send a newsletter. I probably only send a newsletter. Every like three months. Oh,
it's great. It's perfect. It's perfect. It's a very slow spy wheel, but it's a flight.
Yes. That's right. It's like more like a tricycle.
Yeah, so a couple of questions. Where did this XYZ?
Think start, because that is a thing. Yeah. The domain handled XYZ was co-opted
by just the
The
whole nft and crypto movement, it just became this thing where all the dot-coms were taken is seemed to commercial. It was played out. It was old a.so was Big for a while, you know, notion .s o and things like that. And if for some reason it was like if your web three if your crypto if you're in ft's just use dot x y z and everyone just like latched onto that. So that's been the thing
was there. Someone who led that charge because it could have been
a million other question. Yeah. I don't know.
I'd love to know I'm so fascinated by how these conventions start, you know, like who was the person who, who's just, like, guys, this is what we're doing or just had the reputation that they were the first people to do it, and there
has to be a DOT nft coming soon. You would imagine, you
would be a no-brainer. I just, I wonder about so many conventions, right? Like back in the day, when every startup ended with El, why, you know what I mean? It's like bitly, optimizely. This lir, everything was a lie, and then there's the
Spotify Shopify. Who's the first person to use the Phi and expensify? And well, I have a blockchain / crypto update. Yes, not nearly as well formed as yours, but it's my first dip into the pool in a sense because I've always wanted to experiment first with
Fundraising for scientific research related to so-called intractable psychiatric conditions. So things that are thought to be incurable or almost impossible to treat with current tools. And so, as you know, Kevin and a lot of people know, saisei Foundation, which is my foundation and it's all my money has committed many, many millions of dollars. Now to psychedelic therapy, research and Medicine, research helped establish.
The center's, the first in the world at Imperial College London. The first in the US at Johns Hopkins, many studies that have done incredibly well, so the in terms of picking bets we've had now studies that have been in Lancet in the New England Journal of Medicine, kind of sweeping the oster's equivalent from a scientific standpoint, and I was introduced. So you mentioned art blocks earlier in this conversation and sorry.
Slurring my speech a little bit. It's actually not from the alcohol will talk about that with covid. But like the losing the words is not from those, the horse
semen, it's mostly from, it's mostly from the horse sipping.
It's a little viscous
taxes, your vocal cords. You always take it to that. I mean, that's what I just want to dial it. I just want
to just want to turn it to 11 for a second. So God sweet to eat.
Took it from size a foundation to horse semen and 11 seconds flat. So snow fro, his, the founder of our blocks introduced me to a nonprofit called endowment. This is another great name. So e and D. AO M ENT dot-org endowment dot-org. And he introduced me to them because they help nonprofits except cryptocurrency donations, and it's a very cool.
Effectively company, I mean organization. And this case they have, they have a non-profit arm. Believe giving block is a for-profit company. That takes a very different approach but is complementary, if you're a larger organization, nonprofit or 501, c 3 that wants to accept cryptocurrency, but doesn't really have the knowledge or desire to develop the expertise around crypto. This, these are two ways to do it. And so, I was introduced to Robbie and Zach at endowment and they helped
To get, this is a foundation set up on endowment. So if anybody out there is looking to back a proven player, who really picks good shots within the scientific research fields, and that includes many different things but predominantly focused on psychedelic medicine and addressing things like treatment-resistant depression.
Opioid use disorder so different types of addiction and many, many other things than you can go to endowment that cnda ome and T dot org, slash sice, asai SE. I will include a link in the show notes at Tim top log / podcast, but if you want to type the whole thing out, it's just app a PP dot endowment, dot org slash saisei. And so I say I'm
surprised I probably have
I
mentioned this before. The name of the foundation means a whole bunch of things in Japanese. I used to live in Japan. Went to a Japanese school. I love Japanese culture, and the Japanese language, sighs say means rebirth or to be born again. And that is how many people feel after undergoing properly administered, psychedelic therapy or psychedelic assisted therapy. So that's why the name is I say,
So people can check it out and so cool.
Yeah, it's great. I'm excited about it. And
it's also a way for me to feel really good about engaging with
it. There's a couple things Tim. I, you were so early on this and nailed it before it was cool. Like I
feel like all the universities these days are like, how do we add psychedelics to our roster? And it's
like, you know, it's a snowball. That kind of, I feel like in many ways you started, which is, which is awesome to see. Thanks man. Thanks. Yeah. It's
it's been really exciting, too.
Really, really exciting to see a lot of what has happened in the last handful of years and just to see how far it's come politically. Also. There's a lot of room left for improvement. But just last week on Veterans Day. That was November 11th. I was in Coronado, which is in San Diego. Basically and I'm pulling up my Twitter profile for a second because I can give you the actual website.
Which I would like to do. I was there for a benefit for vets on Twitter. It's the handle at vets for vets, but they had a strength in numbers Gala to end veteran suicide. And the website for vets is Vet Solutions, dot-org. They sponsor psychedelic treatments for veterans and have a particular Focus. I believe not exclusively but have worked with many Navy Seals. Therefore the location at Coronado and the
The reason I bring it up is that I was on stage with Governor. Rick Perry asked, the former Governor. Guess he's the 47th. I want to say governor of Texas, former Secretary of Energy, Republican. And right next to him, was Rick doblin founder of maps dot-org which is doing incredible work. Including phase 3 trials for mdma-assisted Psychotherapy for PTSD. So they have many veterans involved with this.
Who is as far left as you can go sort of hyper? And again, these are may be exaggerated turns but kind of like hyper conservative hyper liberal sitting on the same stage, disagreeing on many things, but agreeing completely on the value of psychedelic medicine for it's amazing. These conditions like PTSD, so it's really kind of
Mind-blowing pun intended to see how we were in a scientific winter and a policy winter basically for 50 or 60 years after the Nixon Administration. And in the last 18 months, really a last two years perhaps there's just been this flash boil and so much has happened. So cautiously optimistic and I do think that's I say foundation will continue to be on the Forefront seeing around corners and looking at things that are
Not yet on the mainstream radar at all. So looks like this,
mmm, it's great. That it takes crypto. Like, anyone can see here. You just connect your wallet. You can donate crypto and it's good to
go. Yeah. I want to give also some credit where credit is due. I ended up there because I was invited by a friend of mine, former team member named Nick Norris. So I want to thank him for inviting me to the to participate in the event. And I also want to give thanks to all of the sponsors.
Who supported that event including future Ventures. And I'm an LP and future Ventures, but you to Steve and Genevieve jurvetson were there who were kind enough to host me and allow me to sit at their table and it was just an incredible event. So I'm super excited about what is to come and in 2022, one
question I had for you, A friend of mine. She recently, did
ketamine therapy for depression and
there's actually a startup that I'm not affiliated with.
All, I don't even know. The founders called mine Bloom. Have you heard of this?
Yeah. Okay. So I'm very glad you brought it up. I have thoughts on my emblem. So
continue, it's interesting because what she did is she signed up for it. In normally people think of ketamine is like an IV treatment that you go into a clinic and all that. And it's, you know,
that's kind of hard core to get stuck up with an IV. And,
you know, you have to be a certain. Some people are very like, not cool with needles, right? So right, this is actually a pill that they pills that they mailed to your house. They pair you with a therapist.
East and she was saying, fantastic things about it. It's kind of home therapy only available in like a dozen or so States right now, but ketamine treatment at home. I just wanted to know what your thoughts were. I started
off.
Incredibly skeptical and concerned with telemedicine, as applied, to psychedelic experiences and that extended to ketamine. Because I do think that there are even with some psychedelic compounds, probably with all but to a lesser extent with some and to a greater extent with others, the potential for abuse. I had a lot of questions around telemedicine for
Regularly, when you're dealing with remote / virtual administration of drugs and ketamine for those who don't know. It's a dissociative anesthetic. It is generally speaking, extremely safe. It is widely used. I believe it's one of the 100 most essential medicines as defined by the World, Health Organization. Because as an anaesthetic, it in again, double check everything with your doctor, but my understanding is
It's famous for being inexpensive and not suppressing respiration. So it has a great risk risk profile. And some people will say. Oh, that's a horse tranquilizer. That's not really accurate. It is used in veterinary medicine, but it's very widely used in
humans. So many horse drugs, these days. There are a lot of hot Force drives, a lot of hot horse that affects horse therapy out there these days. Thus people you take a closer look at these horses. Horse figured out they be
I'll figure it out.
God. Yeah, so
you know what? I'm going to I'm going to
share just a quick side note which you will get. I'm pretty sure but it's definitely the reference is going to be lost on a lot of people, I was sent
this this
GIF of it's a drawing of the two arms and Predator with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Dylan
was that I could Dylan you son of a bitch. And they like slap their hands together and they're basically like arm wrestling with their biceps.
It's one like gigantic white arm, which is Arnold Schwarzenegger. And then one gigantic muscular black arm, which
Carl Weathers, I believe, I mean both incredibly
Jack and they're like, baby oiled up. And it's
this like extremely long handshake, just for the glamour shot.
And I was set this painting of this
and it said and I'll one side ahead
liberal and then the on the arm, it said ketamine. And then on the other
side it says I was conservative and then on the arm,
I said, Ivermectin, then blows, like, at least we can agree. On horse drugs. Exactly. So technically not a
cure but it was still pretty funny. So that is well. That's great. Yeah. You do. You know? Ivermectin actually is, I believe used by many people suffering from psoriasis. I want to say, it's psoriasis. It might be rosacea. It's either psoriasis or rosacea. And because of all of the buzz around Ivermectin, one of the casualties has
Been that people who really need it for known indications are having increased trouble procuring. It got a while to think about and any case someone will be able to fact check that on the internet. So it's like about covid. What you think?
Yeah. Let's do it. Dude. Now's the Time?
Now's the Time? All right.
So so wait, we were I get a text from Tim. It's to covid test. It's me. You're texting me and Sokka, I think we can say that. Yeah, and it's too. It's too covid. Tests. And
It's like they're both clear redlined. I mean you didn't say fuck but you were just
like shit like this, this happened. Here we go.
What was the first? Like, walk me through it. Like, you just woke up one morning. I was like, I just don't feel writer. What happened? Yeah, I'll walk you through it. So this is
about two and a half weeks ago. Now, I want to say something like that and it was if I look back as you know, I've been very, very careful. And so
All Began tracking covid, end of January. Beginning of February, 20, 20 foot up a blog post, which was very moderate super moderate. And ultimately, in the subsequent weeks encouraged sxsw to cancel and was kind of dragged over the coals at the time. And then, of course, covid turned into a coma turn into and have been very careful. Not because I assume that
It is instantaneous death. That is not what I assumed but because I have pre-existing, respiratory issues, very well-established, respiratory issues. And there were a lot of unknowns there continue to be a lot of unknowns related to covid-19 and I wanted to delay.
Getting it as long as possible. So looking at the lifestyle calculus. It was very easy for me to mitigate risk without making huge sacrifices. I saw a lot of potential upside and very limited downside to taking certain precautions. I ended up going to F1. So Formula One in Austin. Where at least in The Paddock, everyone had been believed both vaccinated and tested negative with a piece.
ER, test within 48 or 72 hours where I think I contracted it because there are so few options because I've been so careful there. So, few options where I would have been exposed. What I think happened is, I succumbed to social pressure in the way. It happened is, I had taken a car by myself to, and, from Circuit of the Americas from Kota each day and then on the last day, getting back, I had not
I had made some mistake in there was a snafu with transportation. And so I ended up getting kind of directed to a location to Transportation, which I assumed meant. I would be able to get a one-on-one ride back to the city since trying to find parking. It's just impossible. I mean, there were 400,000 people, there are over three days. So I end up in a golf cart driven like a half. A mile to this point. It's complete pandemonium, right? Like everyone is trying.
To leave code at the same time and I get directed to this van and it's like there's your ride now. I taken a van.
To the event that day, but I was one of three people on the van and we spaced out and so on. And I also had a mask on the way back. I open the door of the van and it's packed like a 12 Cedar with 12 people or 11 people so that I could fit in and they're like, okay. Yeah hop
on in we're headed downtown and I was like,
oh fuck I don't want to do this. But at least where I was everyone was tested. Fuck fuck, fuck whatever. And then I got in.
And I sat down and it's like there was this one model chick vaping in the fucking van. I mean it was a terrible and I'm just sitting there like reading my Kindle. I'm like, if I'm gonna get fucking covid, it is going to be right now here. And then about five days later, started feeling very, very congested and began to develop a really severe headache and I attributed it to allergies in Austin because Austin has really, really bad allergies.
You have cedar or Juniper Ash. You have Ragweed, you have all sorts of allergens that cause really severe reactions in people. So I just assumed it was allergies and then I was getting ready to pack to get on a flight. To go to New Orleans for a friend's, 50th, birthday and Halloween. And we were by basically my request, everyone was going to be PCR
tested when they
landed and we
Add my girlfriend and I binax kits at home. So we had a bit manufactured rapid antigen test at home and I was
feeling congested. And
so, she very wisely suggested. Well, before we get on the plane and pack and do all the stuff. Why don't you take one before we go? And I did just as a formality, right? Kept packing, done it. And I came back and I'm like,
Oh shit, that looks positive. And I don't know what the let's just call it accuracy there. Different ways to assess these tests. But let's just say that it's
85% accurate and Peter, Tia could give you a much better description,
right? Think it's one of those things when it's if it has a positive, it's more likely to be positive it, but it could miss you. And I'm talking about, like, there's I do. But also, if you just take
two tests or three tests, right? You can, you can get the likelihood of to false positives down to say, less than
5%. So let me ask you a question. One thing. I'm always curious about these things, as we've all done, these at home, or at least a few of us have there, listening.
How quickly did that other line show up? I always wanted with it within five minutes.
It showed up so quickly so
it wasn't like what? Because I always like we 15 minutes and I'm always waiting. Okay, it popped up really quickly
and then did the second test and it popped up really quickly and I was like, well, this looks like a positive and at that point went immediately into
Action mode. I didn't Panic at that point. I'm very good in crisis, or I should say and some people listening, might say, well, that's not a crisis. Well, if you knew my history and you knew some of the outcomes that I've seen and the doctors I've interacted with, you wouldn't be as Cavalier. What
is action mode for you? What does that mean? Action mode? Yeah. I'll tell you, but I'll just say like Ian crisis
situations. It's like the little paper cuts of life on a daily basis that make me lose my shit. But like if there's like a car accident or
Someone is in the hospital or something really bad happens. I'm good in those circumstances, the fries in Austin and doing Disaster Response and stuff. Like, I'm really good in those circumstances. So at what action mode meant for me, was number one, immediately, scheduling a PCR test to definitively. Confirm that I was
positive. But you, you knew you'd take them like three of these things like? Yeah, I take and I take
into at that point, but before
For and actually, this is important. So before considering different types of actions or interventions.
I wanted to really to the extent that I could be close to 100% certain be 100% certain because as you know, one doctor, I know well puts it not Peter. Another doctor. He says drugs are all terrible with a few positive side effects. Meaning you're signing up for a Target effect that you're hoping will be helpful or beneficial but almost all drugs have
Known and or unknown side effects. It's just part and parcel very few. Things are so selective that it's all upside. So I wanted to be as certain as possible. So PCR test and then as soon as I was confirmed, sort of simultaneously scheduling because I could cancel. Let me just pause for a second and say, none of this is medical advice. This is very specific to me. It's very specific to conversations with my doctors, but I want to for educational purposes, only walk through this.
So that people can if it's helpful have some view into my thought process. So I booked IV, monoclonal antibodies, which are from regeneron. In this
case. Question, what your precious as this is
unfolding? Where you're at? Where you're based. You're in Austin, at the time. Is that correct? That's right. Okay, so, could you, is
that something you can just book? I didn't even know you could just like book The or
do you have to have a doctor go and like, like how?
Hard. Is it to get that? Yep, so and you know what? I just realized. Also, I didn't answer your question about mind Bloom and I want to come back to that. So because this is related, so let me just put a bow in mind blown, so mind Bloom. CEOs Dylan, I've met with him. I've had a number of people. I know who are extremely seasoned facilitators with psychedelic medicine. The vast majority of those facilitators are are charlatans as you and I know, but there are a handful of folks who are really methodical and expert in my
Then and they've gone through the mind-blowing process. And they have said,
Only positive things which I was dumbfounded to here and awesome. I've never gone through myself, but I have through a clinic here in Austin about a year and a half ago done five or six infusions with IV over the period of two weeks so that I would be able to speak to the effects and side effects of ketamine. If people ask me about it specifically for depression or suicidal ideation, I think enemy.
Very interesting also for chronic pain and that relates to nmda receptors, but we won't get into that. So, mine Bloom, very interesting and I have a very high opinion of both the company and the CEO Dylan. So, that's mine Bloom.
I've heard good things as well.
So the reason I tied that in sorry for forgetting that earlier, is because there is a company called drip hydration, drip hydration.com and my girlfriend booked the
Monoclonal antibodies through drip hydration and the way that works is you effectively, sign up and then you will be and I'm probably getting some of the details wrong here, but you will be contacted by a doctor or nurse practitioner who doesn't intake evaluation because there are risks with almost anything that is an unfamiliar compound. You can experience anaphylactic response, right? You could you could have
Galactic shock, you can die. So, there are people who have Adverse Events with monoclonal antibodies and I was, as I am also going into action mode. I'm talking to three different doctors and it gives me tremendous, sympathy. Every time. I have a situation like this or some type of acute, medical situation, how challenging it is to navigate medicine and science, even if you are really plugged in. So I was in contact. I'm not going to name names. So I was
Touch with three doctors, all very good. Doctors one. Effectively said do monoclonal antibodies as quickly as you can because the sooner you do it the better. My understanding is generally want to administer within seven days of Contracting. The keep in mind. I don't know when I contracted exactly was probably five days before I was diagnosed. The second person said, I don't think you fit the risk profile. You are you're not immune compromised from sort of a textbook.
Assessment. You you double vax, right? Your double vaccinated in my case with moderna.
There are possible. Downsides to having the monoclonal antibodies administered. I would advise against taking it and you should wait and see.
And if you develop more severe symptoms, then we can talk.
The third doctor gave me the pros and cons and this is a very common response that you'll get gave me the pros and cons and said, really it's up to you. I could justify saying go, I could justify saying don't go that's a very challenging situation to be in. There is no tiebreaker in this case.
Can I ask you how you got three? Doctors are these like, pre-existing doctors that you've worked with in the past? Just pre-existing doctors? Okay. I know, you know, a lot of doctors. I just like, was wondering like, yeah, I think we'll randomly
or
Right. 1-800 Cova doctor, huh? I am not calling up people randomly. I as you know, Kevin really believe in redundancy and back up. And I have to back up whole house generators at my house, which meant I was one of two houses in an entire neighborhood with power during the Austin freeze. Last winter, my feeling and this is from the military. Not that I was in the military, but a lot of my friends who have been in the military will say
Two is one, and one is none. If you have to have something you're going to lose one of them and then you'll have one if you have one, just consider it none because doctors get sick. Sometimes doctors are unavailable. I'm not in a near fatal car crash. So it may not even qualify as an emergency, for some doctors. And for that reason. I want to have multiple people sort of on contract or multiple people. I've already done intake with who I have relationships with, who I can contact via cell phone if I'm going to spend
Excess money, anywhere for redundancy. Medical is where to spend it for you and your loved ones. So, that's how I had three people. And I was doing this via email and also via VIA cell phone and I spoke with all of them, and they're all great. But the point is, there was no consensus. I ended up for psychological reasons, deciding that I wanted to do it because of my soul. My pre-existing conditions. I did not want to wonder
Whether or not I was going to develop some type of respiratory distress or collapse. I just I didn't want to have that on my mind for the next five days. I knew that if I had an anaphylactic response, there are ways to kind of attenuate that responds with say an EpiPen or intravenous. I think it's diphenhydramine Benadryl. So there are ways to kind of mitigate the risk. So I decide to do monoclonal antibodies and then also,
Sided with through the advice of two out of three, doctors in this case, to take fluvoxamine. So I started taking something called fluvoxamine, which is a repurposed antidepressant. This is a very interesting case. So fluvoxamine, and I'm reading here from nature.com. So I would expect it to be credible and fact-checked, but obviously do your own homework and please always speak to any doctor before stopping or starting any medications. So, common antidepressant.
Slashes risk of covid, death. So fluvoxamine, not to be confused with Prozac, which is I think fluoxetine has very similar name, but it's different. So fluvoxamine is a different antidepressant that is cheap. Widely available and frequently used for depression and obsessive-compulsive Disorder.
So also I was like, you know, I'm kind of curious to see what this will do to me. When when, when
yeah,
Yeah, when win, but I'll just read briefly. So that people have an idea of why this has been repurposed. So it is also known to dampen immune responses and temper tissue damage. Researchers credit these properties with its success in a recent trial among study participants, who took the drug is directed and did. So in the early stages of disease, covid-19 related deaths fell by roughly 90% in the need for intensive covid-19 related, Medical Care fell by roughly 65%. Now I you should. However also read the quote from us.
Test at Emory University School of Medicine in Atlanta, who says, a, a major victory for drug repurposing. But next, quote, fluvoxamine treatment should be adopted for those at high risk for deterioration who are not vaccinated or cannot receive monoclonal antibodies. So one could make the argument and one of my doctors did make the argument that a you're not at high risk of deterioration, be your vaccinated. See, you're
getting monoclonal antibodies. You do not
need to take fluvoxamine.
So,
You took the kitchen sink approach. Basically, I didn't though. I really you didn't do the horsey, but you went, I didn't do the
horsey. I didn't go full horse. I chose to interventions and then I supplemented with vitamin D and a handful of other supplements that are very low risk. That also supplemented with baby aspirin for any type of likes thrombosis risk. So one could make the argument that this is complete Overkill.
For me in my mind as I'm tracking outcomes and have tracked this since February. And I'm not crazy. I don't think I'm crazy. I think I'm actually, I think I would
have done the exact same thing by the way, based on everything that I've read. I think I would my protocol would have been the
same. I don't think I've been crazy about this stuff. I think, you know, my paying attention in this early allowed me to make some of the best investment decisions of my life. So even if you think I'm a crank when it comes to the science, like understanding the societal and supply
I chained implications of this is useful. So that is what I did and I'll just add a few things. So what happened? I ended up having I would say, overall, mild symptoms.
Well, what was the text you sent me when you said, you will cover the middle of the night with a little bit of a panic? What was going on there with the chest. So,
there were a number of kind of events that were very disconcerting. But when people ask me like zero,
And
how bad was your covid-19 like, well, people die from this. So, if dying is
10, I can't modest not a seven.
Like I have to assume that if it's like a 7 or above you're in the hospital. So 45, perhaps, I don't know. And so I had mild fever, I had severe, severe headache, and very bizarrely, like a localized headache, that felt kind of like an ice pick and the side of the head. I hate those, which was unpleasant. I had extreme loss.
Muscle soreness to the extent that it was hard to move at all but the most disconcerting those are all say severe flu symptoms. Let's call it. Yeah, it's long shit. That scares you though, right? It was the respiratory distress and labored breathing like tightness in the chest and having difficulty breathing. That was the most disconcerting for me by far. That was definitely the scariest and that was just one night. That was a few different nights. That was a few different night.
And also, it's very difficult to determine causality. What causes what because so many things are happening simultaneously. So as an example, when I started to wean off of the ssris because I've never been on ssris before and I also spoke to a number of doctors a fewer. Like you don't need to taper off, you can stop cold turkey because only 10 days and then I spoke to a few other psychiatrists who I trust.
Very deeply and they said, absolutely don't stop cold turkey, and I tapered off. So, I taper off the ssris. This is maybe five days ago. So let's just call it two weeks post. Although, I took the fluvoxamine at full dose for 10 days and then tapered off at over say, three or four, talk to your doctor. Don't just do what I did. What I noticed was each night as I started tapering off. I would wake up at between four or five in the morning with really rapid, heart rate and sweating profusely.
Hazy. Now. It happened. Once. Who knows what it's
from. Thank you, DSS. All right, though. Well, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. So it could be
anything. All right, it could be any number of things, but then it happened the next night and then it happened the third night. I'm like, okay, something's happening. But is it from covid? Is it from the ssris in some capacity? There's a chance that, that is it, and
it might be from the lack of ssris.
Well, that's the other thing.
Is it because I'm experiencing a rebound inflammatory response from removing these ssris that have an anti-inflammatory effect. I don't know. So I'm about now, two and a half weeks out. I did my first workout last night and have had a splitting headache since within a few minutes of starting exercise. My heart rate spiked to 150 160 beats per minute. Wow, crazy. One of the most consistent.
Dude, it was what doing nothing. I mean, getting on a stationary bike for five minutes to warm up. I will say the fatigue and extended fatigue and ease of fatigue, has been the most noticeable persistent effect. And I remember also the symptoms coming in waves, maybe a day. Five. I really was just going so stir-crazy, I wanted to go outside for a walk, you know, mask on away from other people late at night and I ended up going for my first
First walk not that night but the next kind of late afternoon off hours and I went for a walk downtown Austin not near anybody way way outside of any congestion for a half-hour really slowly flat ground. And I came back and I was so tired, that I fell asleep for hours. Yeah, so I'm glad I took the precautions I did and I will say this because and I probably lost. Some people are ready. Just listening to me.
Recounting this, but the purpose of the vaccine. I saw a number of comments when I put up.
A notice just saying, I've contracted covid. Anyone who's waiting for anything for me. Please just be patient because it could be a few weeks. When I put up that note on social people lost their minds on every side in every direction. It was, it's really disheartening to see and it's not because I care personally, but it's become such a divisive issue. And what I'll say just for me personally. I never expected the vaccine to prevent me from becoming infected.
What I did hope for and based on the data believed was likely is that the vaccinations would once I got covid would reduce the risk of being hospitalized or having severe complications, including Long Haul symptoms, even if your initial symptoms are mild, so I think that's really important to say because a lot of the responses I saw were. Oh, you think you're so fucking
smart? Like
Doesn't seem like your vaccine is
working and it's like well guys if less than 1% and this is the number I've been told by a number of Doc's so definitely check the primary materials, but if less than 1% of the people currently hospitalized are vaccinated. Just based on the data, forget about the politicians, forget about all the yelling and screaming on YouTube, but just looking at the data we have which are not all manufactured by big Pharma as someone who funds.
A lot of science. I just want to say, like, it's not that simple, the conspiracies on one side which are like, all of this is being driven by big Pharma have a grain of Truth, to them in the sense that, you know, big Pharma, lobbies and has a lot of capital and they can exert influence, but they don't have complete control over something like this. Similarly, you know, on kind of the other end of the spectrum, you have people who are concerned about Nanny States, or police state and the US government in.
Flicking this and forcing this upon people. I'm not talking about mandates. By the way. I'm putting that aside that is just like outside of the purview of this conversation. But if we're talking about my personal reasons, I happen to still believe that good scientists exist and that the scientific method is the best approach we currently have for asking questions of Nature and getting back.
Sheriff, viable, repeatable answers. I was vaccinated to keep the symptoms as mild as they happen to be for me and I'm not convinced that that would have been the case. Otherwise given that you know, when things were hitting New York. I was on the phone talking to doctors at Mount Sinai and other places, senior attending physicians who are telling me on the phone. If you hear people telling you that this is just affecting people who are 70 and 80, don't believe them because I am looking in
Out of me at like two or three people in their 20s and 30s on who are intubated and they have no pre-existing symptoms or comorbidities. None of them smoke. You got to be careful with this stuff. So that is my story.
I'm glad you're okay man. That's that's the most important piece. That's actually, I have had
some residual cognitive effects though. I was mentioning earlier that the kind of slurring of words and
Words, there do seem to be. I don't think they're going to persist forever necessarily, but there do seem to be some some residual effects. And part of the reason that I chose to become vaccinated, part of the reason I chose to take the approach that I took, which is heavily dependent on your individual. Dr. Input was, when not just to lower the risk of severe symptoms.
In the early stages, but to decrease the likelihood of long-haul symptoms, which are no joke. Yeah. No joke.
Yeah. I just got my booster. I actually went with the
Pfizer and decide to mix and match, because I saw some good pretty compelling really data
around additional coverage with the mixing and matching. I'm sure you probably have that as well.
Yeah. Your fourth fourth booster is some horse
semen. Yes. That's the finisher. Yeah. I got the in for people that are listening. Don't freak out. My mom has cancer.
So I got the booster so I
could be safe around her. I know that's not my time to get the booster. But, you know, I want to see my mom.
So that's yeah, reason
enough right there. Yeah, for sure, man.
So that's
that's the covid store. It's crazy though. It's very, I will say that a, I'm glad that I got it now and not in March or April 20 20. And I'll also say that there is some relief to it because my opinion of covid is
Similar it's developed bit. But similar to what it was in March of 2020. When I took to social media, to encourage the organizers of South by to cancel and that is, it can't be contained. It just it kept this, this is not, it doesn't have the profile of a virus that can be contained. And my expectation is, everybody is going to get this and people are probably going to get it multiple times and the follow-up question that then or the consideration is
How do you minimize the likelihood of having severe symptoms, right? And so that's that's the lens that I've been using and now that I have it, right? Like, tiptoeing around and taking all these precautions like to finally have the thing. It was so fucking weird, you know, to walk around.
You know, that when you tell me you were even taken, like, Amazon packages and shit in the early days that you wouldn't. Yeah, well, early
days, I was disinfecting everything and we're just
There are so many unknowns like it's not. I'll for sure. I was wiping down my egg cartons and
shit. Yeah, it's you know, I mean, it's very important. I think to understand the limits of the known knowns and the known unknowns for that matter in everything. Whether that's picking a partner like girlfriend or a wife or a husband or whatever or investing or looking at science. Like it's really important to know the limits and to try to make decisions based on the knowns. And I also say one more thing.
NG. And just because this comes up a lot, and people are going to hate me for bringing this up. One of the most common responses, / criticisms that I've heard in the far left kind of conspiracy to ality folks and also from some folks who wouldn't fit into that demo, but who are vaccine hesitant. And I understand the concern is, we don't know how the vaccine effects.
Fertility or long-term fertility, and they're absolutely right. They're absolutely right. I would agree with that. But disagree, that, that automatically means
One should not be vaccinated because if you're going to apply that logic to the vaccine, you should apply that logic elsewhere and I would just love to see anyone open their cabinet and tell me what the long-term fertility implications are for all the supplements and medications and Chinese herbs. And so on that they have in their cabinet, they can't. That science is not even science hasn't been done. And what I would say is
It's a calculus that includes not just looking at the downside of that potential unknown. But looking at the downsides of some risks where we have more data. So what is the likelihood that covid or severe covid?
Improves fertility, I would say pretty low. Is there a possibility that Contracting covid decreases fertility?
I don't think it's impossible. I certainly think that's a possibility and therefore if the assumption is everyone is going to get covid. I think what I just mentioned should be part of the conversation. It doesn't mean you automatically get a vaccine. It doesn't mean you automatically don't get a vaccine but I think it is simplistic and dangerous to say well, just because you can't prove.
The long-term implications for fertility. Therefore, nobody who's thinking about kids should get vaccinated. I think that's one question
for you. And I don't know the answer to this
at all, and maybe you don't. But like, is there any
data that suggest it does impact fertility in, in any way, covid, or
vaccine vaccine? I am not aware of any. And I went pretty high up the flagpole, with people who I consider highly credible because I'm planning on kids.
And I certainly don't want to jeopardize my fertility. I don't want my girlfriend to jeopardize her fertility. I don't want anyone to unnecessarily jeopardize their fertility, but not getting vaccinated. It does not mean you automatically have a free pass.
A, you're taking lots of things where the long-term implications have not been proven or sort of demonstrated to to any significant statistical Theory. And next, the effect - probably not positive. Potentially that covid has on fertility is at least an unknown or I should say, you know, possibly unknown and possibly known. I just it just seems unlikely given the
As we understand and the action effects of this disease, that it has a positive impact. Who knows? Maybe, I don't know how one would ever do that study. Also, as somebody who's very deeply involved in funding science and fundraising for science. I can tell you science is very, very, very, very expensive. And it takes time and it takes ethics boards, and it takes all sorts of approvals IRB approval. And, you know, the case of psychedelics DEA
And so on and so on. So let me make a recommendation because this can sound really overwhelming to everybody. Two things. One is check out a book called bad science by Ben goldacre. He's a British MD. I took a number of excerpts from that book with his permission, with Publishers permission, and put it into the appendix of the 4-Hour Body. So if you have the 4-Hour Body or you buy the for our body can also find a very succinct appendix, which helps you to just become more.
Literate and intelligent when reading science because everybody and their brother, every media Outlet is going to make mistakes. Just about every single outlet is going to take shortcuts and sensationalize on every point in the political spectrum. And also, they're going to make mistakes in interpreting results. So, one of the best things you can do for your life and critical thinking and decision-making.
With health is to become just a little bit more literate with science and your ability to separate fact, from fiction, or at least clear bullshit from something. That might be plausibly. Okay, and you can do that with a few hours of investment. You just need to read say bad science. I took some of my favorite parts put in this appendix and the for our body and there's also a series of articles by Peter, Atia. Dr. Peter, Tia called studying, the studies. I believe it is.
And yes, he's our great. That's a deeper dive but really, really worth taking a look at that. It's been incredibly helpful to me. It's enabled me outside of covid to make some really critical decisions. I think well, and it doesn't take that much time. If you're willing to invest five hours, you could really change your life or the lives of others by making better decisions later. It's a great investment of time.
Awesome,
good recommendations. Let's get to holiday
gifts. Yeah, let's do it. And then I have to run in about 10 minutes. So why don't you go first
sweet. I've got a bunch, you know, it we're getting that time of year where especially with Supply constraints that it's good to order on the early side, you know, for a lot of this stuff. So I don't know when this is plan on dropping but
these are all for Christmas 2022.
Yeah, exactly. So I'll say a couple things one of the things that I have found to be a really fun thing. Speaking of
Ted lasso, and other
fun things that you can do at night that don't involve drinking or
just, you know, some some fun things to do with your spouse or significant other leg goes for adults ban, some of these Lego projects. They're not for kids. They're like super throwback, super complicated like crazy Lego sets. I just got Daria, my wife, just had a birthday. She's actually her birthdays in three days, but I just got heard they ecto-1 because he's a huge Ghostbusters fan. Oh, that's awesome. I'm looking at it right now. Yeah, it's super legit.
It-it's not like Snap 5 pieces together. It's like, this is like a, you know, thousand piece or whatever. It is Project. I got the Voltron one, which is awesome. They have a vintage Porsche 911 and you can link these up, but they're just, they're just fun. It's just something, you know, to when you're at home and bust out the Legos and have a good
time. I was just going to say, well, we'll have links to all these in the show notes. So if you're if you're lucky enough to listen to this on the early side, because I'm sure they're all sell out and just go to Tim top log /, podcast and search random show and it'll pop.
Right up there.
Yeah. A couple of quick things from me because I know you got to bounce. So dude. Are you a fan of bench made knives? I am.
Yes. Okay cool. So I got
this new favor from them. It's the 537 bailout family of knives. Like it just like a sick. Little
pocket knife. It's open assist or what is it?
This has the little tiny nodule that you kind of just like flip open. It's not automatic. I do have an automatic that actually like right here like check this out. This is you can only get these in, Oregon.
Because they're they're legal here in Oregon, but like you got the full like, see you can watch it on video. Yeah, but that's that's organ only Edition that it's made as well. But baseman makes great great knives for those who didn't listen to audio version. I just pulled out a switchblade video, but they're legal in Oregon. So I'm a Boy Scout. So I just I always like to have a every eagle scout needs a switchblade. Exactly. So yeah, go ahead. I was just gonna
add another pocket. Knife that I'm a huge fan.
Of since you mentioned knives is the Kershaw Ken onion leek, serrated folding knife with speed safe. And it has a an open assess that is like her jaw, really, really nice.
I don't know if you know this but bench Maids are actually made about a half hour from my house. I went there fast. That's cool. Yeah, and you can take your knives in and I'll just sharpen them for free. It's really
cool. You know, you should actually. Now that I totally blanked on this. I think he's
in think he's
still near Portland, but
Marie Carter. Who is on my podcast? Yes, the knife maker who was trained in Japan is nearby. So also if you want to make your own knife, he could help get you up to
speed Carter. Cutlery, right? Is that right? Yeah, Carter Carter, he's
yeah. Yeah, you can make a neck knife. If you really wanted to go full Portland Thug.
I need to go. I need to go visit. That's a
great. Those are great, a holiday gets right there. Those knives are one-of-a-kind. Super, super special. Yeah.
Can link those up? Yes, we'll link to this.
So or I has a new ring out the or three. It's got real time. Heart rate better sensors, full disclosure. I'm an investor, but I don't get anything from
saying that it's just a cooler ring.
The last thing, by the way, I use the aura for first
sleep. So I put on when I go to bed to chose my, I used it for sleep as well. You
know, Matt Walker just joined as an advisor and is doing stuff for them and it helped me write
them side. So that's awesome.
Do you know these Stone paper? Notebooks. Did I ever tell you about?
About I
just pulled up the website, but I don't know these guys.
So imagine like we all know like moleskin and you know, notebooks are always kind of like a fun little gift to give people. These cars. Notebooks are like the softest they're made out of stone. So it's not paper. They're made of the stone composite each page. Wait, he's not happy. Just made it. Yes, each page is made out of stuff. Yeah. I was trying to figure out so this is like hipster Abe
Lincoln.
Yes, sir. Pretty much awesome, but it's like the softest is. It's like
It's a velvety type Pete, just a dream to write on. Anyway, these cars, cars notebooks are fantastic. They're not that expensive. They're better than finals against somebody gifted me one. And I, when I put my pen to paper, I was like, wow, this feels so good. And then I researched them and realize that they were sustainable just made from not trees, but from Stone and I was like, I have to and now I just have them all over the house. Like I buy them. I've got to my desk right now. How on Earth do you slice Stone? Thinly enough.
I think it's a pulverized and they make like
a
makes more about and then click on the
materials link there and I'll show you how they do it
Amanda. It's really,
really beautiful the right on.
Oh and then also do that. My last gift idea. Is that venison jerky that you invest in that? Oh, that we do it on that stuff. That's stuff. Yeah. It's so good. I keep that in mind. Right before we record it. Yeah. Yeah, that's like 10 grams of protein like, you know,
Workout or whatever, just like the easy. It is tasty.
It's really good. Yeah, it's so good. So people can can check that up. Maui Ma you, I knew--i and UI venison. I think it's just Maui Nui venison, I get the bars
because they make them in links as well. But I like the bars, the best, the pepper
bars. Yeah. I love the, I love the bars. I actually at the links more they have fresh cuts. They're used in some of the top restaurants in the country. They're fantastic.
And they're wild and they're there.
They're like Harvest tickle where they call that. Yeah, well harvested. So they're not like pending them up or anything. They just do
it. I don't know. Yeah that out there gobbling up the ecosystem in Hawaii, which is why also you're actually improving the ecosystems in Hawaii by eating this deer because the the effects are so destructive. It's part of the reason I invested. I mean there's aerial footage of erosion and runoff damaging and destroying Coral Reef in Hawaii because the undergrowth has
So, decimated by Axis deer. Yeah, you sent me the
video and there's like, thousands of them. Like they're saying, it's not like, you're like like some butterfly where you're like making extinct like, there's nothing. No,
not there. They're everywhere. They are everywhere. And there is just about the most nutrient-dense, probably the most nutrient-dense red meat, I've ever had in my life. It's fantastic. So, Maui Nuit, I definitely s that. Do we
forgot my budgeting Finance tools? I want to mention the guy say this real quick.
Time. Yeah, go for it. Okay, actually, I'll cheat on my
answer on the holiday gift. So
yeah, no, no, it'll work out
perfectly you go. And then because I do have to run in a couple minutes. Okay, so why don't you do your budgeting apps? I will catch it. Yeah, I'll actually just say I just put together a 10 of my favorite goodies that make great gifts and I think, let me just check here. I think it's just Tim dot blog, / gift guide. And that
Take people directly to.
Ten gifts to make your holidays, extra fun, relaxing and delicious. Yeah. So people can just look that up. Tim dot blog, /, gift guide. Alright, budgeting apps.
Yeah. So real quick. We're going into a new year. I always try to track finances and all that good stuff. And so, I spent a bunch of time going through all the latest and greatest, iOS apps, and desktop apps, and just seeing what is out there. What's new? And so I'll just give you real quick. There's one Tim, you would love this one. Actually. I'm not joking. It's called kubera
KUB, ER,
a.com.
It is, it's more like spreadsheet style, but it ties in all of your Banks and it also ties in all of your crypto currency as well. And it's just like a it's like a net worth tracker and it's just, it's very simple but very powerful. It is beautiful. It's awesome. And that's a
screenshot on the on the main website. The website. Yeah.
Yeah. It's like super, super simple. It's just more of like, how am I doing net worth wise across a bunch of different assets. Let's call in the day-to-day budgeting side.
I'd killer IOS app that I just fell in love with is called co-pilot. So you can go to copilot money. Sadly. There's no Android or desktop app yet, but they say that's coming. Then. Lastly, mint old school. Meant I hated meant for ears, and years and years. We're lat. The reason I hate it is because packed with ads, all over the place. My buddy was like, hey, you need to check out meant again. They need an identity to offer a absolutely at three, but it's gotten so much better. So, if you if
Gave up on meant a while ago. It's time to go back and take another look because they completely
redesigned it and it's a lot better. But
but copilot, Dot money is my favorite on iOS and kubera four overarching kind of net worth tracking
is the the go
twos and I've tried probably two dozen of them over the last month or so
now, let me ask a silly question. I know you're not scraping by you're doing pretty well. What do you find? You are more fluent with budgeting?
Ting Adam budget than anyone. I know. Well, what do you consider this
then? Well, is it is it just
that you can swim in your pool of money, like Scrooge, McDuck and do the back stroke? Or is it like, what is it that helps you about this or that you like about the
tracking? Well, I mean, I would say that for most people it's going to be about the general budgeting for me. I don't want to say this sounds really like bougie or whatever. But like I have some
That does budgeting to make sure we're on track and stuff like yeah, I just want to know if I'm spending too much money on wine or on travel or on like, you know at the end of the year. It's always nice to sit down and be like, okay, here's what we did. Here's how our stocks did. Here's how our crypto did I just kind of like having that holistic View. And then also how much are we spending on? The kind of more stuff that we could dial back on a little bit like on the crazy wines or the travel or whatever. Maybe so yeah, that's what it is
for me. So tracks
X. Now, if we look at say kubera
kubera, that's not going to be your
budgeting that's assets.
Yeah, that's assets. Just like overarching. Like all of your different banks brokerage stocks currencies. It's like almost like a spreadsheet, but better it's got holes in all of the data has a real, the right connections and that is what the go to dashboard. Just to see how am I doing across the board. If you're one of these people, that has a 401k here,
And some Robin Hood crypto over here, and Fidelity here, and wealthfront, there. Like, it'll bring it all together Under One Roof. So you can see
everything.
Cool - yeah,
it is really cool. It it's the best. Just I want to see how I'm doing. The, it's cool.
You know what? I've also heard. Great things about also from listeners and full disclosure. They do sponsor the podcast. But I did a lot of vetting and and reached out to ramit Sethi and reached out to Mister Money Mustache. If you know who that is and a
number, I just have to meet at my house two days ago by the well, okay.
That came by yeah, he's fine.
Down. He's so fun. He's a great guy and you need a budget YNAB YNAB. Yeah. Why not? Yeah, why name is fantastic. Yeah,
II should have included that. It's old school. It's been out for a long time. But why not for people that are, you know, if you're really into budgeting I'd say YNAB is like for the hardcore hardcore. Copilot. I would say, does it's not they don't have the desktop apps. You can't really guess deep, but it, but it's copilot is more. I think it's a better interface.
Don't always
As judge products this way, but I look at the level of cult following like, how intense is the call falling and why not like people put it on their license plates, you know what I mean by a car for cash for the first time or pay off a house or it's pretty awesome to see. Yeah. She lost how loyal and dedicated a lot of these folks are I will also check out kubera that's super interesting. I do most of the stuff on on desktop so I could use something that would actually tie.
Lots together, simply so I'll take a look at that one as
well and I use things like copilot and mint. You know, you say budging. You're right. I don't really pay 20 ton of attention that but if they do things like big purchase detection and they'll send you a push notification. So if you do have fraud or something weird going on, yeah, you get a push and you're like, oh, wait a second. Did I actually buy that? You know, it's always nice to have little things like
that. Crazy world out there. Kevin Rose, anything else you'd like to add.
No, dude, I'm glad you're healthy man. Yeah, beat it not in four hours, but you beat it. I
thought.
Yes, this is a small little drum there. To hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Wait, wait, I've never done this before fight. I heard it's amazing. I've never used that before my life. Credible. All right, man. Well, it's good.
Brother. Yeah, good to see you as well. Thanks for doing this. Man's, always
fun. Yeah. Can't wait to see you again a person, man. Give Daria big hug for me and for everybody, listening to not block / podcast, just search random show and we'll link to everything in the show notes. Happy
Holidays. Happy holidays. Hey guys, this is Tim again. Just one more thing
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