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This is a huge podcast watching at home. You guys are fired up. We're fired up Elon Musk John Shady. They shout out to John. Yeah, thank you. I like like what a fucking we're going to tell the story to. So we got Salim Here. We Gots tiny here. And we got president, a full sen John. She's sitting in on this episode. Steve could not be here and this episode is pretty much dedicated to him, too because he's a huge Ilan fan.
His channel is fucking, he was to permanently deleted by YouTube, literally tube. Probably 12 hours ago. We landed in Texas and we literally found out that his channel is being fucking deleted and you, so you supposed to be on this pod, and he just said, You know, guys, that can't just can't really do it right now. I'm just not in the mood, but it was the ultimate mindfuck. Because we landed, we had to text one from YouTube. That the channels being permanently deleted, I want from Elan confirming the
Podcast. So we're like well he don't mean it. Yeah, I know right now. Here we fucking devastated. We was a mind. Fuck. And Shout Out. Steve though. Shut up. I want this channel run for two years, three years, throat gone since when he hosted a got me. Emotional when 1828, three years, three years, that 4.7 something million people about 25 million Subs to which crazy. Well, I got some stats crush on the game for that long grinding. Steve work fucking hard. You know that to on his video. Yeah, do whatever it takes. So
Thing about Steve to is people just think he's all an Entertainer but that guy gets shit done. He doesn't make excuses not, he works hard doesn't quit, he doesn't sleep. He gets to the Finish Line, right? And that's why I think his channel got to where it got it. Check out these that's I got today, Steve will do it. And how many years? Two years, the channel 23
years. All right, give away 32 cars, 52 watches, three
houses over 1 million dollars in US. Cash over three million dollars in Paces. Have how many cars?
32. You said one of them is mind one of them salim's. Yeah, I have 1199 that got taken back. I gave that what we gave that one away, but I have one of those watches you bring him back to. Yeah, I didn't do the net amount. Okay, what's up?
You know, but, um,
but yeah, it's just crazy. I mean, that was very shocking to us and we're just, I just can't believe it, bro. Like I just it's devastating fucking wild. No, that'd make me cry. If my I'd be crying, object are dead beverage so we gotta crush this episode for Steve. Yeah.
Ilan fan. Yeah, and honestly, shout-out him for fucking continuing to be edgy, not giving a fuck like it takes balls to do that shit. Just say, yeah, I mean I think it's just the reality of the world now is that, you know, Lucien cow. We got to build our own shit. We're working on it.
Pretty crazy though. Know, if you think about a man getting Donald Trump Elon musk's now? I mean, like, it possibilities are endless. Like, we're only had a million Subs on full say, no. I get twice, Delta, y, twice and we know episode number. This is like Rickie. Fowler Rickie. Fowler was huge. Three fouls, you Rickie. Fowler was a huge one. Okay, thank God. Good lands, mandated Ricky good line. Good land brickies throw shade a rickshaw. Does this tiny for before we end Elon Musk. Shout out to stinney for landing Rickie. Fowler load and for the record I've had a few others that are big names that we can.
One fairly assume the same. This tiny tiny almost made us Dyk Osiris. Oh, do I like is funny, why can't we canceled on Wiz Khalifa? Canceled on you? Squares would have been good? Wizard of a place. Is this fight? And we rescheduled whiz for this by the way. Oh yeah. Now just for the hell we can't Uncle times but also Lana roads which would have been good. That's more you to be. Yeah but still this fulsome pot and I mean the list goes on. I don't want to waste too much time with that, but those are a couple
Love them. Yes. Crazy John. How did? How did this initially go down? How'd you get his email? Well, John John, I will tell the story will tell her where he lawn gets here, but only one for nine years now it's 2013. Are you guys, boys? We're cool. I mean, he always takes care of me. We were running into each other. Sometimes here and there. And first name basis? Yeah, it's fucking lit. But what do you mean? First? What else? Like he like really. Hey, what's up, bro? No, but it does need a Pied Piper.
Or is it just like a quick props and keep it moving? No. Think it's just a head nod. As one time. I saw, Matt Delilah of all places, he was at Delilah and West Hollywood and he saw me, he jumped, he came what came out of his table. I didn't want to go because I don't want to bother him. He was with his family and he's like, what are you doing here? I was like, I was there with a friend that you guys should come sit over here.
We hung out and we were out to like 2
a.m. you see one of his baby? Mamas,
I remember
How long ago was this? This is like
maybe Ike 2018 2019.
So, how long ago you've had his email since you've always had a money, my office phone number, what's that? And it's phone number two, but you hit him over email. Yeah. So how did what when did you first hit him on email? How long ago, I had a mic for the Pod for the pot. I want to say I hit him in the Mike thing. Like shortly after the Trump episode, I sent him, the Trump episode. That's persistent. Did he respond?
He did what he said. He said not yet, but let's use like, but lets you know, some maybe I think he said like something maybe sometime in the future that will I wasn't like no. It was like not yet. Like you know who's going first time you reached out to him. He literally was like I'm down, but not now. And then how many times till now? Did you like message him in between, like tell the story, I like five times what, it's, what sells the. So I sent that one some of the press about us and, you know, the episode being taken down by YouTube because I know,
All about censorship as well. The, I think you're just constantly updating him on the ropes on what we're doing. Yeah, but I think the big one actually. Did I send him recently? Was I did the money buys, happiness podcast and news the new folks in podcast. And there was a clip in there when I told the Bieber story and I send them this Lego check out this like, you know, story that I told him in this podcast, would love to have you on ours, and that's when he wrote
back,
I forgot the word.
But he wrote with like we could get that done soon and that's when I was with you. I was like and you're like, well, tell him this weekend and I was like this weekend, he's like, well, I don't know if I'm being Texas or Florida and I said, well, how's Monday, where will you be on? Monday says most likely Texas. So we'll be there. I dropped a little Sammy's birthday. I was like, don't do know if you remember my brother Sammy, but it's his birthday that day to this will be really good. I dropped a little bit of that to a rollback, very cool. Text me, the day of, I'll give you an address.
Intimidated by this guy though Elon Musk because it's like low-key sitting with someone who's so much smarter than all of us just fucking intimidating. I heard you heard what Joe Rogan said no. He said Joe Rogan said you feel like a stupid
person talking to him while you feel like you're not
just like on his level of smart? Well nobody is bro. I do you feel stupid talking to like Elon because of how intelligent he is, you know, who's more impressive than this guy in the world. I don't think there is not many people. Not many is
Is it because he's all he's smart. He's also funny as fuck man. Like his Twitter is so funny, but one thing I didn't know about him is like he likes to party and we li did not know to. I didn't know he had 99, baby - that's kind of common with lectures is nice. I love you just like a pure nerd but he's like, no, no, no. He's cool. He's a beauty. Yeah, I think the thing is, when you're that successful in your that stressed out, that's kind of your getaways fucking partying, right?
Yeah. Go talk about Trump.
Yeah. I was in your boy Trump. Yeah, who's dope? We saw Trump at live. Yeah, he came up to us, or he's like, where's the milk boy? Yeah, live. Do not live. My own, not live in Miami. On our live golf. We saw Matt live, golf. Funniest him there. And he's like, where's that? He's like, where's the note boys? Come here. Like, I want to get some Fame and shit really. So funny. The best thing he's ever said is you didn't fold bro. I didn't know like politicians said that I thought that was more of like a rapper thing. It is pretty still, it's still nerve-racking talking to try
Now it is exam again with the same thing though. Both not folding when we golf with them until a couple months. Yeah, I think we got to get we got to start being the connectors with these pod to with this pod, like we could start connecting people. Like I feel like one day, we got to get Trump and Elon on at the same time. That'll be cool. I we can start, lighter, Kodak, and Trump, Kodak, and Trauma need to do like an AOC and DeSantis. What happened with her? What happened? Come on, bro. That would that not be entertaining. Are you not entertained? I think we should get someone left wing on but everyone.
Like, why don't you get someone left wing on or down? They won't do it. But also if I'm a politician I'm left-wing my attitude is all come on there and destroy all three of these fucking young. Kids are going. All right start left-wing people don't roll like that though. I think the only one that we know who go I think the only one that I would have the balls to come on would be Bernie Sanders any sanders I think we because he's a really good debater. Yeah I had to have it go right with this with that guy like I don't agree with everything he says but you can't deny. Bernie Sanders is a good debater. Yeah that's a good speaker. I don't care. I mean Bernie Sanders will be
Fire on the Fly. And I love that money. We do everybody that we like
We have the most policy that be huge. Her ears. She's a track. We should kind of have somebody on. I think that we don't get along with and like get like at the fireworks a little bit. AOC would be that some Cyril I just don't think she would ever do she would never do it. Yeah, I don't know. Let's try
Why wouldn't she called him right now?
Right fucking sale. See oh yeah. You'd like her. She's like she bat. She's like, so L of like a flash of lightning, like feminists should have her and hate on at the same time. Oh my friend, Andrew take him on. It would be the craziest thing we would have to speak. No, I'd be insane. If you guys saw the fucking milk video to check the note video we did it. So we're going back we're going from Andrew Tate on the pod which right now is that 5.5 million views and four days, seven,
what 5.7
5.7 million and four days women.
Numbers. And now we're going straight to Ilan. Which this one is obviously going to blow up but yeah, it's fucking crazy man. There's tons of people left. What guess to where we got Bieber? We gotta get, got Drake, Kim, Jang Hoon, Kim Jang, Hoon, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Steph Curry would be Steph Curry, hurry Wayne Gretzky, I'll throw the Kanye West, Kanye, West, Tiger Woods, Kim Kardashian, Tiger Woods, DJ Cadillac, who handle, Jenna to Kylie Jenner, DJ, Khaled who you're talking Cal.
Buddy, big that were missing. Hey, listen, Kendall is possible. She's like, 20-ish, I'm not even lying, so many crazy. I think it's possible that we could get and Bob used to say it too, but Kim jong-eun is possible. Yeah, I think it's positively what kind of most possible on who you just listed? Yeah, probably because outside of beaver, he's like, I think North Korea would want to, like, show off. What a great country it is. I don't know if I would go, there I'd go. North Korea. I don't know, Manuel, like you don't just fly in you don't come it there. No, we'd go, I'd go.
I go, I would go. How did Rodman go here each? Okay, so I know the story. Kim jong-eun reached out to Jordan and said, hey, I would love to be with you Jordan denied, so we reached out to Pippin Pippin denied, and then he reached out to Robin and Robin said, fuck it. I'm coming rock music playing. Like he has his own ski resort. He has his own like Island. Like they're literally just gone there and they're just if he's going North, Korean chicks. Yeah, well that's dope, if he's not going to fuck around that, I'm down to go. They would they would
Invite us to like keep us there and shit and we have we have we have to go away from basketball player. Yeah. Until we interview them and know we we have to go and Trump's an office for sure that it's an office, we're not going. Oh yeah, we're fuckin Trump's there there is no way that he would let us. He might come with us he would hurt me but I'm not let's manifests it. That's a move which says like just fucking we're going to go to North Korea with Trump. Yeah, we got some overlap. We're going to North Korea with China, vote Trump 2024, give them an office, so he could take us to North Korea.
I think as I might not be available that week, but the boys will go. I think we gotta sit back to and Bradley, Martin, reflect like we've been thinking like a lot lately. Like shit's fucking crazy, bro. Really crazy. Like, don't think that, we don't think this is crazy, guys. Like, I'm nervous like, every time, it's like, we think this shit's crazy, and then it's like, we just keep outdoing ourselves. Yeah, and it's like, we got such a great group of people like everyone here. That's just like, we're all pushing each other. And like, we're just, we're just all kind of competitive and we just want to
When we just want to kill it and I said, have a nice addition healthy competition. We also want to make one another proud. All right. Yeah, I'm always thinking like, how do I make you guys proud? Like, how, what do I have to do? How do I make Steve proud? You know, once again, shout out to Steve miss you, bro. Crazy. Let's just like could have been here. Ain't that like got a fish, it is crazy because I have, you want Scar the past six months have a response of all time bro. I think what really started was when we did the Miami trip when Lil Durk Kodak and since then it's just been so - no fucking sense.
Find anything right when he joined the Pod pretty much. Yeah no I wasn't talking to you so I didn't say that and I am grateful to be on the spot. So I appreciate you guys and the fans for. He's just doing it because he gets started getting crazy. Right. When I joined the pot, everything just fucking bro, shit. I said the last six months have been insane, they have been. So stinney does work really hard behind the scenes on the pot to? Yeah I love I didn't know you went over questions and stuff. Yeah Bros interesting study hard. I love this shit man. So you dude for me it's like how many people in the world, get an opportunity?
Sit down with these people. And if you have that opportunity, like, you got a fucking show up, you know, if you don't show up and you skip to sit down with the Elon Musk, you're not prepared. It's like, that's such a waste and it's unfair to people who are like trying to just say life. Oh no, please just say that. This is going to help
you with a large graphic women after Elon Musk
fuck. Yeah. Like, it's 100%. That's not why I'm guy that's like some side. Like I'm stoked for that like button.
That's not the main reason, you know, he told me, I told him, I was like, yo, Ilan and security asked to make sure Hotel staff. No one in the hotel knows elon's coming because that's usually who leaks he goes. And I told a couple, you told me, he told a couple girls by the pool already. Are you serious? I did drop out of that. What are the odds Ilan comes in fires with us tonight? That is realistically. I mean, dude, it's your with him to at the Lila till 2:00 a.m. there's any twice 50/50. No, I'd say it's a good ten percent through that I think after this
We're going to get hammered on the pot. We're going to hop on a jet. We're going to go to like Mexico with Ilan or something. We're going to party slam hook. He's we're going to gamble on steak with you on. Do some sweet bananas. He's with the lon. It was a gambler party, I don't know. And I think it's just gonna be a great night. I'll have three party with you on, so maybe 90 every funny going on snow. You know what? He might, like Jack handle them. He might play Crash.
He might be a crash genius. I'll be genius. I really appreciate you coming here we got the mic right here, sir. We need Gabe here, right in there. This is our shelter. It's called happy Dad.
All right. You a drinker or no?
Drug alcohol. You try to, of course you got to try one. Sure.
Here this watch.
Yeah, we usually do the cups. If someone's drinking water Elon in the house, poor and a happy Dad right out of the gate.
So we cheers to that. Cheers, Cheers. Thanks for coming Elon. We really appreciate
it.
How was your day? What you get up to today?
Worker like working or how was your day
job? Get closer to the mic. Yeah, probably
fix it.
Hi
we're just rolling to we just saw dust rate for it. So how did how did this all come about you guys have met what like John said, like ten years ago?
But not a flight attendant
at Super Bowl thing. Yeah. Mayweather fight. We went to Mayweather fight together. Yeah.
Yeah. What was that starts at 10 years ago? It's 2013. Yeah, it's crazy. That was, it was a Canelo Mayweather fight. You remember the story about when Beaver came on the plane? And he brought too many people. Yeah. And then I forgot me people. Anybody. But like 10 12 years ago of us, that showed up. Yeah.
Yeah. Many mountains. Like a lot of people.
Yeah. And I'm freaking out and I
And I go, I go to our boy Sherman. I'm like, I don't know what to do. If we were just rolled up way too many people and he's like, just go be honest with Ilan. So I went and let you la know I like El burro, sorry, like beer about it. Like a lot of
people there's already hit your family was on the plane too.
Yeah, and Elon goes, don't worry. I got this handled and him and his brother Kimball they made like one quick phone call and like 20 minutes later. Another jet just rolled and right. Yeah, we got second plane here and then we flew to Vegas. How does that work Ilana, dude?
Like Jets, like on demand like that.
That was my brother's play, your brother's playing. Yeah, that's
adult. What was the link with Bieber? Know our buddy shervin but may vary even the sherminator inator. Surely, you know, sharing of course, yeah, I know. Sharon, well actually, you know, Sharon is the daughter Daria.
Yeah. She's very beautiful.
Yeah. Okay, yeah, this is crazy to have you here though. I mean, we have our, we have like one of our medic Carter and of teas and on the Discord, all they're saying all the time. It's just
Please get Ilan on. Please get, okay, please don't want me to say. What's that? What are the cures about Al ahly? Everything lot space cars, crypto really don't use cars and crypt. Yeah, I think those are linked neurolink. Yeah. Are you are you in Texas like full-time now because used to be in Cali, right?
Yeah. I was I used to live in California but mostly live in Texas. These days Tesla. We built this giant Factor equal to Texas. Get Giga taxes.
Which is the biggest Factory in North America just outside of Austin. So I'm working on just bring up that factory which is just an increase in the production it's like a factory is giant cybernetic Collective so we're going to make the cybernetic cybernetic Collective work with thousands of people and machines.
I'll just a lot of like 10,000 little things to fix. Basically the teams doing great though. So we're splitting up. Swelling up the Giga, Texas Factory here in Austin and, and they're building a giant rocket in South Texas near Brownsville. So, it's a startling Crockett, it's called Starship. Yeah. But but it will launch the Starling, two satellites. Yeah, what I told, hey, can you still get the way? So what if I'm okay, what does that mean? What's that was like,
What's up? What's up? Move in like from Cali to Texas, like, which one do you ever Miss Callie
don't want to California, you know, couple days like two or three days every couple weeks. Okay. So
Yeah, so I'm in every couple weeks I'm in La for a few days barrier for a few days. Basically, some like that. What made you move out here to Texas? I was basically the building the Giga, Texas Factory in Austin, and then the Starship program in South Texas. So the
Basically the two big new things for both Tesla and SpaceX were in Texas. So I ended up being that's where I needed to be.
When you talk about bury your time at the Fremont Factory. That's still there, right? Yeah.
So yeah, that's the original run, right? Sort of original big Factory. Yeah, we had a tiny Factory in mental block, one point. Okay. We made the Tesla Roadster. The the Tesla Fremont Factory in the in the
Disko Bay Area is the highest output Car Factory. North America makes more cars than any other pad and any other Factory. Mmm. So and now we're trying to wrap it up so it's not like Tessa's leaving California. It's just we kind of got too big for to fit in the Bay Area. Yeah. And if you know that you know region like your kind of sandwiched in between the ocean the bay and mountains and there's no room. Yeah. It's real houses are crazy money. Yeah.
Where was our flag at when we don't know?
Feel Our Brands called Full send. So that's like our that's like the term that we coined. Yeah. I think at one of your guys, was a sponsor
yet, I believe. I'm sorry. Yeah, some reason it's Basics. We say that a lot too.
Yeah. So that's our breakfast. You see? The full send
a will say full standard SpaceX. A
lot really, really? Yeah. That's our brand. That's right. Yeah. But so that's like our clothing line
and that's what we like. Like Sam Patel was a full sound.
See that flag right there, the American one. That's our that's our merch. What? What context does he say? Full sound.
It's kind of like, when you're going hardcore.
Like, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Paul said. Yeah, yeah, we came up with that and that's our brand and all right, so that was like, when we saw that thing that SpaceX Hawthorne, I think that was
that that was Starbase South
Texas. Oh, that was South Texas. Okay. Okay, I thought was awesome. We got your trademark tune in. Like,
okay, even the rocket category
to bring now we not. Okay. Well guess I'll have to give you a sense.
Gasps appearance. So are the star ship launches. Those are directly with the starlink corn. Oh yeah, this is sending the satellites up into orbit.
So the Falcon 9 rocket that we launched right now is what is able to launch. The starlink version 1 satellites or take me round version 1.5 grown-up version 1.6. And there are so pretty big satellites before they unfold they're like the size of a sort of a small compact car.
And then installing two satellites are like what you know way bigger than a pickup truck, that looks a sort of 7 meters long. So the strong two satellites are too big to be launched by balcony after we launched by Starship,
how often are the star ship launches?
We're not done any orbital, Starship launches but we we hope to start to we hope to to attempt a, an orbital launch.
In a month or two. Nice. So depends on how the testing
goes. Got it. You guys know what this her link. Is course not. Yeah. What I feel like it's not talked about enough.
I agree. Stalling should be targeted. So starlink is space-based internet. So we're going to Constellation of satellites regret so now, well, over 2,000 satellites will soon have about 4,000 satellites. So what we have we have more satellites in operation than the, than the rest of us combined. Really? Yeah.
Then anything in the single
company.
That and then the rest of earth.
Oh my God. Yeah. And this down the street has crazy on. It's not like the it available like now or there's a long wait list, right?
Yeah. Starling is available now at Starling.com. I
have waited a long wait list. There's a wait list if you're in like a
high-density area. Also the stalling is really best suited if you're in like the sort of Countryside or kind of like a low population areas. It's like you could be Victor. Yeah, for places that don't have internet ruling.
Erica. Yeah, basically Rural America and like relatively sparsely populated areas but those are the weightless. I like wait list is just if you're in a area that's where there's already too many Starling Terminals and we don't want to saturate that area and because that'll reduce people's internet speeds. So in order to be able to service more people in that area we need to launch more satellites. So we launched more satellites.
Almost every week. So we're angry. The next 12 months, probably. Do 60, 70 launchers, maybe more.
Wow, it's a lot though. So you've been supplying a for Ukraine even helping the internet there,
right? Yes. It's been successful. Yes.
Were you hesitant at all from any negative backlash? From Russia?
Well, I should probably not visit Russia.
You tell you something about that, why not?
Not yo
I mean probably unwise. Yeah I mean I mean look what they did with the basketball player.
No. Just for a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Did you see what Trump said recently about her?
No. But I was like man if you know if the president's working so hard to sort of free someone who's in jail and Russia for some some weed then
Are we
Free People, Jen? America saw that. Whoo. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So
at least like that people in jail in America for the same shit for the same stuff, shouldn't we free them to
express like something that's legal in so many states right now as well. It's not what I think
it's like for it. So I mean, my opinion is a people should not be in jail for nonviolent drug crimes.
Okay, I agree with that. Yeah, we were just talking about that to remember when you smoked weed on Joe Rogan, did you get like a lot of backlash for
that? I don't get a lot of backlash because it's like still federally illegal. So it was pretty nutty. Actually I had to well because, you know, so I had to have like random drug tests and stuff after that,
to prove that I'm not like a drug addict, really? Yeah, by who, though, who gives you the range of
the federal government like me cuz SpaceX has federal government contracts. Oh okay.
And it's all illegal federally. So like like the SpaceX, you know, competitors were like hey look at it. You why are you doing anything? You know, look at him smoking. Just like brazenly smoking weed on
on Joe Rogan
podcast for weed. Yeah, the drug test me for everything
randomly. I'm happy that it
is. I couldn't like you. It wasn't like, you know, pick pick a day because, you know, so there was like, yeah, like a whole year of random drug test.
Did you just make that decision on the spot? Or did you like
know?
Well he must have known you were going to get some backlash
right suddenly I'm here give that much backlash you know it's sort
of like I thought everyone thought it was cool. Starbuck like the dopest if you follow you on Twitter. Yeah, I mean they were there, the
the consequences for me and for SpaceX were actually not good because it's because it's federally illegal and SpaceX has Federal contracts and then, you know, so unfortunately it wasn't just me, but the whole company, the whole Space X had to have random
you.
Oh my God, bro. It's Larry.
So Mike. I'm sorry guys. I didn't sorry. I didn't realize it would be this big of a deal almost been sweating.
That's so funny. Just over one giant. Like did you have to like walk into a board room? And everyone's just grilling you and you're like
yeah, yeah. No. It was like, you know, I think the Bear in mind like, you know, some people are still pretty uptight about these things. I know, like I said, older
people. Right?
Yeah. Pretty much.
I didn't look like puffed on it. Sorry.
You look like you were
not and I'm like don't even I don't even know how to smoke a joint. Obviously, it's look at me, I'm like having a joint smoking skills. Yeah,
that's why you acted like on camera?
No, I mean seriously. I mean I just, you know, you know, I find ways like, not bad. Good for productivity. So I'm like, you know what, I'm not gonna as I do actually have to make the rockets work in the cars work and make the factories work and stuff. So, but yeah, I think like the, you know, I think what we're seeing over time.
That you know, as as younger people are elected to office than there are more or less uptight about sort of drugs and stuff, you know, and you've seen like one state after another kind of like legal legalize, marijuana. Some say, so I think mushrooms were legalized and so, so it's like,
it seems like, mushrooms is next, their decriminalizing Barn. Again, they're saying processes marijuana. Callie did recently, I
think
Colorado, Washington. Yeah, Washington. I think. Yeah, it's like nobody from any crimes in motion.
No, yeah. Yeah. Are you supporting
psychedelics? Yeah, you are. I think like summer stock. Dogs can be pretty helpful for like PTSD and like, yeah. Like serious. Like, psychological trauma, and depression. And I'd say, like, by post opinion is like psychedelic, so like way better for treating depression than a lot of like the ssris and stuff that are given out. Absolutely
Yeah. I mean, like a lot of those sort of any depression drug. Just turn you into a
zombie. They come from the ground to
right? Which mushrooms.
Yeah, well, I'm saying like I'm saying like what? Well, they're not, they're not in orbit, you know, but I'm saying, he'll circles are coming from a lab so it's like
yeah. No. I mean I mean I think it's like necessarily but if something is like something natural or synthetic doesn't necessarily mean it's good or bad she can say like like arsenic is natural. It's not an element on the periodic table.
So cyanide, you know, but this, you don't want to have either of those two things, right? So, but they're totally natural. And in fact, there are mushrooms that will that are poisonous will kill you. Yeah, so it's like almost rooms are good. I saw it like, back in the old days, you know what? We're trying to figure out, which is the good mushroom. Yeah. They're like, yeah, but because I'm a poison. Are you try that? Mushrooms. We're like, stands back Cece's. What happens? Okay, that one's tasty. That one. Like
To see visions and this one kills you. Okay. Going to keep just make sure which is, which is
kind of a guy's designated tester.
Yeah, this is one of your boys like you. Did you go first? Yeah, totally. So there's so many different types of mushrooms you know and so it most Russians are just you can just eat them and they're fine and then some mushrooms are you know a psychedelic and some kill you. Yeah,
with that joint with that joint like incident to just doing something so cool and normal. Like how do you like a successful and famous as you are? How do you
Like stay normal and doing stuff like that. Like
I mean I don't know.
I think I got most people in like, the corporate world are really try to conform to some sort of Behavioral thing that's like, make some fish seem like a, I don't know, like, it Android or drone or something. Yeah. It's like or like some NPC in a video game with like, a limited diet luxury, you know? Yeah.
And you're like how he's like, yeah. What do you say?
NPC, like an NPC, you know, and like a video game where the
I could, but with it, with it, with a dialogue tree, that's like really only has like six options or something that seems like most corporate CEOs. We have like that. I'm like, are you even real, like, how do we know you're not an MPC, you know? So, I don't know. I mean,
It's cool. I didn't expect, I mean, I feel like do you
have like like these big companies and stuff. So just sort of happened that
way. I think compared to all the other CEOs are the most down-to-earth guy. Yeah, that's what I was trying to say, like okay, yeah, it's cool.
Like ironically for space
and you're funny ass dude, right? Yeah. How come despite your Twitter to what your Twitter feed? Is on a different level funny? Like see it seems as if it seems like you don't strive to keep the people entertained, bro.
Do people give you a hard time
in my keeping with the people. You know, you're crushing on. Clementine
know about that like going
back and forth like people on Twitter without like no lawyers or anything like that. Like a man I have to say I've got into trouble so many times on Twitter, it's insane. How often
I wait, that was David team that approves it or do you just fire
it? Like literally, I'm the only one who's ever tweeted or who's. I'm the only one who's ever had access to that work out.
Do you have some go to people that you like run Ship by though? Like yeah. Should I like to
think so?
You know like okay I'll so like show this to a friend like is this too crazy to tweet
or whatever he does? Yes.
Like yes and no I don't know. I'll save it and think about it maybe but I don't know, you know.
But I've gotten like into legal trouble, Regal to legal trouble with sweets, you know,
really anything you could say or no
well, the Army service like most of us like public, you know. So
you got into some battles
though. Yeah I know but like when I said I was like taking tells a private at 4:20
That's so with all this one's birthday is 69 days after 420. I can't even believe that. Yeah. Well, that's a funny as thing to me. How is my birthday 4690? That's for Trina Zane
and that's why I like we must live in a simulation or something. This is too crazy. Yeah,
that's the funniest thing to me. Easy to remember we gotta get you something.
Yeah, June 28th nice. Yeah.
628, which is also tarde, which is 2 pi.
Would you do on your birthday.
My name is that dinner with friends, nothing special. Not as nice special this year and I actually am really had a like a real party for a few years. I used to have like, really big birthday
parties. So I'm saying you could be like Gatsby, bro.
I actually literally had a gastric party at one
point where that, where
my house in the Bay Area, which I don't know. Going to tell us about them because
we weren't invited. I don't know if you were you invited, you weren't. Oh no, I wasn't I
Malone was supposed told me once you went to like one of your parties.
Another was a huge. My the house LOL. My old house in l.a.
Yeah. But he said it was a theme party to I think right? Or it was a medieval themed, it was something he was telling me
something come to a party. We had
him on here like three weeks ago.
Okay.
Yeah, it's cool.
He's fine. It's a Elon Musk house party look
like well, the parties generally are very high production value. So likes that haven't held a party in several years. So it's, you know, we covid-19 as like a bunch of my friends, you know, couldn't whatever like a lot of my friends live in other countries and they couldn't come to the u.s. so sure. So I really like how the big party for maybe three years or so,
But I guess we're probably been about 45 years ago had a sort of a kind of a Gatsby themed party at this house. And the area, which is a, you can see it online because I sold it in people like, you know, the docs, the house and whatever they say. You can see pictures but it's like it really is like, very much like a haunted mansion situation. Yeah. It's like it's possibly the creepiest. In fact, it is the creepiest house I've ever lived in. Really? Yeah,
why not though?
And I had two parties. They want Gatsby party in one sort of Castle Castlevania party.
No. Tell us like performers anybody?
Yeah, performance and stuff. I stands. No, no. It's like I don't have like a like a famous band or anything. It's just high production value, sort of set set design. Oh nice.
That's important theme parties,
bro. Yeah just in terms of the, the sort of the set that production value set.
End of the party. And the there are performance. They're just not like celebrity performers. Got are singers and dancers. How many people you think?
Maybe have like a salt that not super big like 100 or so people
cops called or now.
Yeah,
actually heard about the ratio with like women and guys, so suppose
that party was in in Hillsboro. Oh yeah, yeah. We're like your money goes to bed at 10 p.m. and so the cops got called like four times you greet him or somebody talks to him. I'm sorry. Talk to them but they like to firstly can find a house, you know, because it has this house has like a weirdly long driveway, like were so long that like
If you take an Uber they're like, they're convinced, it's like they're just going into the woods or something. Mmm, so it took a while for the police, actually even find out. But then like the whole neighborhood was calling the class, basically,
which is that
literally came four times. And then finally, I'd like to turn the music off. What was so creepy about the
house?
Like it was like haunted or something fell. Haunted? Do you believe in ghosts?
I mean I don't believe in ghosts but sometimes it feels like there are ghosts or something, you know, how so can the house let's make some pretty creepy late at night and you know for like a weird house and this sort of strange sounds happening. And you know doors opening for a reason and
It's creepy. So yeah, you're in your opinion like
scientifically goes, like doesn't make sense for them to exist.
I've seen no actual evidence for ghosts, but it doesn't mean you can't get creeped out late at night. Yeah. So, but this house was this. It's like said this and I had a house for many years and I try to decrypt it as much as possible, but even after a lot of regrouping just so how do you decrease age? You're like creepy stuff,
I guess.
Paintings well Furniture.
Yeah. Yeah for like weird paintings furniture and and like there were these a lot of these animal figurines like it. Can I get those out of there? Yeah, that's creepy as hell. It's like that in come alive at night. Yeah, you know you sleep with the light on. No no I was a kid. I used to be like scared of the Dawn,
Delight guy bathroom like that. Oh yeah. That's from like
yeah somewhere. Where you could see like if
Coming in or anything like that. Yeah, yeah. It had this like like this, like narrow stairway down into the basement. That was painted red. I just felt like, if I place was a bit like The
Shining. Yeah. So shining, but yeah, so, it'll shake hands like saying they're
very grateful parties. You like if you have 100 people there? Yeah. It's just creepy if you're there by yourself.
Yeah. So main home now is Austin, Texas. State of Texas? Yeah, main residence.
I actually don't really have a main residence. Same as us,
kind of like us.
Just always moving around, right? But what's that with a box ssible rumor?
That would actually have a box boy. Yeah. You do some prototype box below that's balanced out Texas. Yeah
well that's very cool. They reach out to us. They wanted to make a happy Dad Bar Box able. Okay? And yeah, and I didn't know much about it. I started looking into it more and there
was like, pictures of you with the Box.
Ssible, not in one but like, like bilan must have and I wasn't sure if it was a rumor or yeah, you know, but
I do box below but my main point that the house my main house few, if
I have a main house is one in South Texas, in Boca Chica Village on William Street. I want to um I'm petitioning to change the street name to memes?
No memes? No, I mean,
yes, if you get enough people on the street to say, yes, you can you're
doing that
makes a call. Yeah. So you think of the box of
oil
Yeah, seems Seems good. Are they like, what are they like, 50 Grand go
big. So I don't actually stay in the Box bullets. Like so I have like the house that I bought actually cost less than it's in a box of bubble because like, 45 care something. But I've done a lot with the place
so you bought a house for 45k. Yeah. What is it like bigger? Is it? No small is, it's very small, it's a tiny house, Great Value 45k, Mmm? Yeah. No. It's a tiny
is a small small house. Well,
Why do you do that your pictures of Anna stuff? It's like, because it was right next to Rocket Factory. Oh, got it. So I can just literally walked erect factories, like half a mile away.
You got a kitchen living room bedroom. So one bedroom, right?
It's technically technically a three bedroom, but it used to be a two-bedroom. But the, I converted the garage into a third bedroom guys. Like, it's like a friend of mine. Come can stand it. I can't believe I'm saying this house.
Yeah. You like living like that?
I found there by myself.
LP. Yeah, it's fine or just with a little axe or something. You know. So family that I actually, I use, I use the box below as my guest house.
Oh nice. So,
and then they can stay in the box below if they want. Nice
at should be like the false and hotboxing for all the employees. The box of the box of all we should do it though. They're cool. They're learning it guys. That's it.
A full send just said, I think they're around like 50 Grand. So they're 15. Well they offered they want to partner with us. They said when we come to Vegas they want to give us a tour of the factory and everything I think school is there another into like party in there? Now, I think would be a. We could
just have one for that is but I have like a sore area by that by back of the house where you can party more or less like this, like a little barbecue pit and stuff. Nice. So if I actually did did have my side a small birthday party there last year, which is
We're just at some friends invited down to Starbase to hang out, and that was fun. And I'm so yeah. But yeah, I'm these days on base. Just try to get Starship to orbit, which is pretty tough. It's a very complicated rocket. It's a, it's more than double, the thrust for Saturn. 5 about twice, the weight. So sacrifice, biggest rocket ever to get two orbits. Its what send people to the Moon back in the day?
Day. So making a rocket, that's twice as big as the next biggest rocket that's have reached orbit is is challenging, that's why I say like we'll get to over. It may be between 1 and 12 months from now, but there definitely could be some, you know, explosions along the way. Like it's not just going to work right away the
When Soviet Union was competing with United States to get to the moon, they were trying to develop a rocket called the n 1 which was similar in size to the Saturn 5. Actually had more thrust than Saturn 5 and they had for launches and it will for failed.
So we don't want to end up in that book that
was yeah, that's like a lot of pressure. Like, there's so much pressure on you like, are you like this? Like blows up. Like, I look
bad Under Pressure.
Exactly. Is that all you think about like on a day-to-day
basis?
How expensive does it cost? How much is it?
Under pressure
and pressure. Yeah, that's rookie shipped. Yeah, expectations are so
high. No, but I can try Bohemian Rhapsody
of Queen? Yeah. Oh I see Freddie. Mercury was how long has a production on the rocket from start to end?
Well right now
it's six long time. This is a very big this is largest flying object ever made. So you know we're aiming for a production rate of one a month, but right now we're at a Prussian read probably one every
Four or five months
and how expensive is it? Just for one rocket. One module that
I don't know, it's at least 50 million dollars marginal cost of launch, maybe 100 million. So every explosion was like, how pissed are you boom. I was on her mind all
that's gambling.
Yeah. If we don't if we don't have a rocket like that then we Humanity can't be a space for
And civilization and multi-planet species. Like right, we want to go out there and you don't make sci fi real you know and be on other planets and go to go back to the Moon, then we need big Rockets.
Why do you think we haven't been back to the Moon?
Well, he, another way of thinking about it is that the the fact that we were able to go to the moon and 69 was such an anomalous situation, it was like reaching into the future and bringing the technology.
Gee Ford that normally wouldn't be there like, that was not the natural pace of Technology development. It's just that the United States just collectively decided that does got to be done, you know, we kind of got it, got to beat the Soviets, you know. So,
I don't know. Sound like when I have we not been back since then her happy.
There were future of Simmons one just one. Okay,
Landings, like actually landed on the moon and Walker.
I think the last line was maybe 72
To. Wow, it seems weird that we'd be so much more advanced now and we haven't gone back.
I agree. So weird. Well, obviously, you have
just no interest in the moon at all like,
no. We'll go to the Moon. We are we have SpaceX has a contract to take astronauts to the Moon.
So now NASA to choose SpaceX to return astronauts to the moon and we intend to do
that. Well, like the mission,
well, our Starship is objectives, are is gigantic compared to anything that's like sort of ever been done before. So this is not like a tiny little thing lands on the moon. This is like giant ass spaceship lands on the moon, that's capable of putting 100 tons of payload.
So a lot, you can pull the moon base with Starship so we can go Way Beyond what was done with the Apollo program, whether it's at a small ladder that you know, and they sort of were on the surface, the moon for, I don't know, sir, maybe some number of hours and then they got back in and took off. So the Apollo program is not capable of building moon base, but the Starship system is capable demon base. I mean, it's an intense designed to be capable of building a city on
On the moon or Mars, that's also, that's what the system is designed to be able to do
so saying, well, why is the goal right now to get to Mars before the moon
will probably get to the moon
first? Okay. Oh, really. Yeah, but not built. Would we build a city on it? Or, or not on the Moon?
I mean, I think we should build a city Alderman Lowe's and and on Mars. Yeah, that's where it gets. Weird. Way closer than then what
more they like naughty far. Why do you want to colonize Mars? I think.
I think it's important for I think there's two reasons, one is kind of defensive reason that like if something bad were to happen to us then your could be like a meteor like whatever. Destroyed the dinosaurs supervolcanoes could be World War 3 like we could just like Newark each other to death or something. Like I don't know what will three is like send me a little more probable these days. Hmm
might be the leading
factor that might be leading Factor.
so, so it could be either some natural
Disaster or something or something, where Humanity just like suicides itself with it, World War 3 situation and and then would be you know, good to have a second planet where so that like Civilization is wiped out. So that's the kind of defensive reason it's like life insurance, for Life, collectively, and say, you're not just, for humans, but all, like, the creatures that we love. So that's like the
defense reasoning to pull like a Noah's Ark by Band. Bring like animals,
too. Yeah, yeah. I mean.
Sure, absolutely. Oh
wow. What do you think Mars is going to look
like? Well, long term. We could make it look like us or we have to warm it up, but there's a lot of a lot of ice on Mars 26 cold. So like you just had to warm it up, to have liquid water on. Mars has a Mars, it would have an and an ocean of I think about a
Roughly, it may be a mile deep on 40% of the planet roughly. Wow. Yeah. So if you've watched warming
up so that's alright. Aware all ice right now besides 40% of the planet. I should just
crazy decisis. In fact, a lot of the ice that you see on Mars at the polls. Is actually dry ice. It's a CO2 Frozen
CO2. I've always been into aliens and I remember it was like when I was a kid when they first found like ice on Mars, not that sparked like all the alien rooms on Mars doesn't water's great.
Nice. There might be life. Was this massive amounts of ice on Mars? I think know a little
bit crazy man. Well, how would you warm it up then? Ha ha, ha. Well, you could use like solar reflectors or you could just create artificial Sons with a series of like thermonuclear explosions. Bagless, the sun is like a giant, it create a son, but when you're clear reactor is it's a like if you want to, if you're worried about like, well, we'll have generate like
Dangerous radiation will have you stood in front of the sun if you yeah, just go out in the sun. Sure. The sun is its giant doing nuclear reactor. So then you click on it. So obviously we sign from the Sun and not. By
must be nerve-wracking though because it's like all tests. Yes. So yeah, you know what I mean? He's you could create like a permanent like son like by
Mars. No. You'd have to do
it. Just like a heat wave and then it's kind of gone in it. Melts all the ice.
Yeah. You'd have to do color like a series of
You like if you like if you like launched a commercial every 10 seconds and then you know, it's like fireworks, but real big. Okay, it okay, do when you clear fireworks. Okay. But you can't have a you can have a sustained reaction because the sun is a gravitationally, contains them nuclear reactor. So you need a lot of gravity. The sign is well over 90% well over 99% of all the mass of the solar system.
Now, so it's very big.
What are the four? So fascinating and what are the first steps? Like what do you start with to start civilization on Mars? What's the first thing you got to do?
I think first thing you got to do is build a base and then that that base would have liked the like Essentials of like food production water. Like we're just you know, like have ice mining droids. There were like go mine eyes and then melted and
The water and then you need a propellant up kind of a profound Factory or help propellant plant. So, Mars's atmosphere is primarily CO2 and if you and then if you take water, which is H2O and you can turn CO2 and H2O into CH4 and CO2 which is methane and oxygen. So you that that's why Starship.
Uses methane is a fuel, it's mostly oxygen. The so it's like 78 percent oxygen, the propellant and 22 percent fuel. So in you know in Space the in a vacuum you have there's no Oxygen to burn. So you've got to bring your own oxygen and you mostly bring oxygen. So you'd be you need a propellant plant to create the liquid, oxygen liquid methane, and food and water and the basics. Essentially. That's that would be the thing.
Start off with and you'll be living in kind of like glass domes and partially underground and stuff. So it will be hard living in the beginning on Mars like not like a luxury
situation. So who are the first people that go live
there?
Pioneers, I would say the you know, any for the first people that go to Mars. It's like it's going to be like dangerous, like you might die food. Probably not good. You know. It's going to be long and difficult trip. It's like probably like a lot of pain and danger. That's that.
What do you think about
population is going to be glorious Adventure?
So it sounds like there's got to be a hit and what's that later? Still fucking long list, right? People want, I did once maybe there's threats to Earth then the list gets huge, right? There's probably a huge list already. Maybe. I mean I think this is people
like climb Mount Everest and stuff so you know have or like thrill-seeker sale. Yeah. Sail across the Pacific by themselves you know. So there's I think is and there's like you got eight billion people on Earth so you don't ya only just one number to want to do it how much
I'm just saying it's like the beginning. It's going to be like, dangerous difficult and and you know like not not like a it's not like a luxury resort. It's going to be dangerous and difficult and a lot of work basically. But you know, over time you can make it awesome. So you're going on
list, I wouldn't do Mars, I would do space. No chance. I wouldn't do more chance. You would go into space, bro. Yeah, I would note I would trust Ilan. What do you mean? So you don't know face and just chill and then come back. Yes.
I would do it. I would love to go to Mars because Mars is like a commence that's like your whole life. Like, but I would do space, I don't know about that. How do you how are you going? I could
alter like the water. If you're gonna heat up like Mars and stuff like, well, filtering water is actually not. It's not super hard. You know, you can always just like evaporate it and or use various folk like carbon filters and stuff. It's it, you can purify water is a well-understood process, so
She just basically graph to go mine, some dusty ice and and then melt it, and send it through. A bunch of water purifiers and you can drink it. That's crazy. What do you expect the population to be in Mars? Like I know you said that, I mean it was a big population, some point. What? So number, I know you're a numbers guy. You have to be well, I think there's a critical threshold is how many people
How many people I need around? Mars from Mars to be self-sustaining such that if the space ships from Earth ever stop coming, the people that wouldn't die out, you know. So you do think about it. There's like if we live on earth here but we live at the top of like a vast permit of Industry, you know where there's all these like mining of all these like elements, then there's many, many steps were refining and then these are gradually turned into a product but there's a massive base of Industry that we need to be recreated on
Are so if you're missing any, any element of that then then if the shifts from Earth, stop coming, it would die out your be like, if you had everything except vitamin C, then. Yeah, you'll be okay for a while, but then you're going to eventually die. You know. So you got it you got it there just can't be any any like missing a critical missing ingredient. So there's like, okay, well how many people are needed to ensure? There's no missing ingredient. I do maybe a million people guessing.
I was a lot more than that. It's probably not much less than that, and then you probably need millions of tons of cargo live it to Mars. So there's a lot feel like you better than you can say. Like this is a thing called like the great filters or which is, you know, we're coming from the Fermi Paradox. Very paradoxes is just where the aliens if the, if the if the universe is really 13.8 billion years.
Old shouldn't there, be aliens everywhere and if not why not? I think it was called Sagan who said that there appear to be either like there's either a lot of aliens or no aliens and and he's either either, one is equally terrifying.
Meaning if there are no aliens then what we have here is very rare
and then it all no aliens is more terrifying waterfall. I think it's more likely though right if the universe is 13.8 billion years old
Well, this is like, this is why it's called is like this. This is like great physicist, Enrico Fermi. Who pose the question of the, where the aliens now. A lot of people ask me, like, what about the islands? Have you seen any evidence of aliens? I've seen no evidence of alien.
No, hard evidence. What about these Pentagon
videos? That?
Give us like a little, but, no, but there are videos of the Pentagon released during covid, of course. But, you know, like what we're like, well, they didn't, they just say that there was UFOs like that.
Necessarily mean that the UFOs are land available. The ocean like a UFO chameleon oh no UFO. Could mean anything that the government like just because maybe like a Chinese like plane or something that they wouldn't we know like
not necessarily. So like I mean there's like Advanced programs that the military has which were classified and they wouldn't so, you know, if they had like some really fast muscle or something, they even if somebody else in the military soil that then they would still not, tell them what it was because classified. Sure.
Wait, didn't they release
something like the best of my knowledge? I have not seen any evidence of aliens and I think I know
why do you think? I think there's a narrative out there that our first interaction with aliens would be violent. Do you think that's the case?
Well, if so I think we're in trouble because if they were able to get here and we couldn't get there, then probably they've got much better technology than. Well, we're done. Yeah, we're toes
through a server side Selena. This is so interesting. What all works seem like, it's always like going to be violent one and two, they're more advanced than us, but why can't we believe every
way more advanced a little bit more advanced. Oh my God. So we're beat, I would just be totally at the mercy because if they got spaceships, that can get from other star systems to here, yeah, we do.
Have anything like that, right? That's true. So,
I got some badass space lasers and shit. Yeah like Google who knows why I think we have something crazy. Antimatter weapons is like basically we're hopeless. Like we were just be like children or
something, you know. Maybe we have some Area 51, though. Some lasers locked in there.
Have you been there? Um, you know that there
are you did Area
51. Weapons are not really are actually, lots of areas, by the way, I think SpaceX technically lie.
Azaria 59 or something like that. So the number
I think SpaceX needs to create some fucking lasers. If so is there
better we do have space lasers. Oh really? Yeah
Eliezer better areas than the 51.
Of course we're just think he's
I don't have one, I need one. How am I going to protect myself? If the invasion happens? Yeah. It's called a lot.
Oh, yeah, he'll answer. We do have a lot of space layers. We use them to communicate between the satellites. So,
Those are just stick it, there should be lasers should be fully operational around the end of this year.
So where those just rumors are fake news about Eisenhower having meetings, with the aliens and like, I don't know what
your. Yeah, I think it's not have meetings with aliens. In fact, I think it was, may have been him or or there was some like Pentagon General, who said, because people kept on bugging him about aliens and stuff. And he said, listen, if we had any evidence of aliens, if I had an alien, I'll drag it. An alien body or something, I'd rather, I'd show you the alien body, because you know, what? If I showed you that alien body would get out budget approved instantly.
Lee.
Yeah. He's like watch out aliens
overhead. We need more money. Yeah, they want. It's like there was like some scary alien stuff that would be the fastest way to get the biggest possible. Why can't we zombie
friend? What do you think? We'd react pretty the people go crazy.
The human population, we go crazy. What they I mean, I feel like, I don't know, I feel like aliens the the general population believes in Aliens, I think like 20 years ago. Everyone's like, no, but now it's like if you ask anyone. So again, I believe in aliens but because I first met one who's no, but I think everyone just like believes. There's a lie because I was right because I movies probably yeah, because no. But I saw that on Joe's podcast to. It's interesting how in like movies and like since the beginning of time or beginning of entertainment,
They've always been like pushing on us like aliens, aliens, aliens like movies,
but you're supposed to say,
yes, to everything for the world. Like we've always been told like there's life outside, like, Earth. That's the other thing like why is Area 51? So secretive, then
I don't think it was actually all that secretive. Probably it just it just like answered the Mythos of and I don't know. People got carried away as I'm out of the
Anything sort of super interesting and Area 51. Like they are more advanced weapons that the US has that people don't know about Ben, they're not like crazy alien weapons. So
what's your gut feeling? If they exist or not like your gut, obviously, there's no hard evidence, but
I don't think there are aliens at least amount of sector of the Galaxy,
so your guts that they don't exist,
not in our sector of the Galaxy.
So they might be aliens and like a Faraway portion of the Galaxy, if by aliens, I think you mean like with spaceships that could potentially travel to here or something like that.
No, just in general I guess
was already alien. You could talk to like or you don't mean like microbes because every warring alien. Yeah
sure like I was like a tiny like I like just told ya like a microorganism. Oh whatever. Yeah
Plankton. Yeah
sure. I guess I guess aliens.
Talk to ya every torso, not microbes. Not like,
yeah. Not like, okay, we found a whatever. I
mean, what's the first thing that would just ruin it?
Like, we found aliens and yeah, they are.
What's the first thing you say to
me, like, face to face? What's the first thing you say to alien? Welcome,
I hope you come in. Peace. Yeah. Come in peace.
Hopefully you understand English.
What do I do this or just speaking? Gibberish
hear what
we're saying is if they can understand English there then they will have been observing us for a long time, you know. But anyway, that I don't think they're like I said, II don't think they're aliens. I think the most would you should view these things is like probabilities generally, think of things as probably is not certainties. So I think there's probably not aliens and I think that's kind of scary actually because
Then at what I would suggest is that Consciousness civilization as we know, it is extremely rare and and a very precious thing where like I'll Consciousness is like a small candle in a vast darkness and we must not let that smoke out of go
out. That's the theory. I saw is like, they've always been kind of plugging aliens on us to make us think that we're just this little speck but actually it's like we're the only thing and it's like they kind of taught us that to not make us feel special and to not like appreciate
In existence, you know, but it's got an interesting when you think about that, like what if humans are the only thing they want us to make this feel, like when I feel small, we wouldn't be smart enough. Yeah. Like you ain't shit like there's something else. It's an interesting
Theory. Yeah, it is. Well, based on everything, we know about history and archaeology and stuff. So, Earth's about four and a half billion years old, and the first writing is only about 5,000 years old, that's basically practically yesterday. So
So it's taken four and a half billion years to get to this point. So the window of opportunity to make life multiplanetary and have a base on the moon or Mars is open for the first time in the four and a half billion year history of Earth may be open for a long time or maybe open for a short time but I think we should not assume it will be open for a long time and every should assume it'll be open for a short time.
And we what while the window of opportunity is open, we should make life multiplanetary.
What do you think is the biggest threat to mankind? Right now?
I'd say the biggest threat right now is population collapse.
Super low birth rate, really? Yeah. Over like nuclear war
National don't we have an overpopulation
problem now even under
population problem. Really? Yeah.
Why destroy services are most commonly misunderstood
situation. Yeah, they definitely push that. We have a
over Paraguay is no. No. We I don't know. It's just like I think it's like this is a holdover from like I don't know the 70s or something. You know. So there was a huge Baby. Boom. Like we're pure if you will did have a ton of kids after World War Two but
Then the US has actually been at the birth rate in the US has been below replacement rate since like 71 or 72.
Yes, 50 years have our groceries that lower below replacement rate. I know USB hub, other countries.
Well, like China has got a huge population collapse problem,
really? Yeah, China, China. You actually get penalized if you have more than one kid. No, you being serious.
So part of it is just like we're operating on things.
A true in the past but are no longer true. So, China did have a one-child policy but like, about 10 years, gave it a go, the changes to a two-child policy then a few years ago, that changed it to a three child policy and both rate kept plummeting the whole time.
Lowest birth rate ever last year really? Yeah it did change both we're at right now is 40% below. Replacement traditional women. I want to, you know, one can speculate as to the reasons. But I mean there's no
hose and your tables last week, bro. I know this true bro. Like what you said about birth right there out there see that. Wow that is a very common misconception I would have
never come here. It was conception of what we face is cut population collapse, huh? Collapse.
Like if you have no idea how fast populations going to collapse,
what are we trying to man? Is pretty far
along in that like Japan actually lost. Like 600 that went down by six hundred thousand people last year.
The Japanese are not in the bedroom at all, then we're not alone. It would seem not. What about, what about the u.s. we gotta increase, right?
Yeah, MOS Eisley. The US has been below. Replacement rates for 50 years.
The only reason populations increase like yearly in the
70s. Yes. Is early 70s. Like 71 72,
why are we speed with all this BSI? Yeah, we're overpopulating. But the populations growing
right? No, it's not. So
I mean that should say the the like lifespan is increasing. Hmm. People living longer that's the only reason why the population of Earth is plummeting but it will plummet. So, you know, just like one thing to metric to track is the ratio of adult diapers the baby diverse. Like what point does a country have more adult diapers and baby diapers and like Japan went past that point over 10 years ago I believe.
Well what do you think happens in like the
Sure. And what's your kind of thought on that?
Well, I think people really, we got to turn this around. We got to have at least replacement rate, if not more on the baby front and by the way, these this is, these are not matters that are subjective. You can literally look at the both. Yeah, you know, it's like it's an objective number. Like, how many kids babies were born? It's like a, they recorded this information, you know. So, and
So you're saying people need to be having more
kids? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure you know, a lot of people who have like no kids, I come because you guys have I
don't got no kids. I mean now we know why
don't you guys what the fuck?
I'm 28. But I mean honey, I got a baby mama soon but yeah, and I just got married last night she's over there. Okay. Hey
congrats.
I feel like that's kind of changing though. I think like, with Generations Our Generation
In this have like less marriage is less kid child
support meant a lot of guys are scared right now.
It's true, it's true, it's true. I would be scared to. I mean that is that it probably is a big thing that's very powerful. Yeah. Well I cost costumes. Positive a child. Yeah, give me a break.
I'm social media to do will get caught up on social media instead of going out and, you know, having fun. And
how detrimental is that like what's what's that? If we if it keeps trying this way, we've been how long they have in store. It's like
Like, yeah, I guess extinct,
well, it's a, like a low birth rate is a slow death for civilization, it's not a fast.
Yeah, we're Chillin for a bit.
Yeah, if you don't, we're cruising but it's just like the average age is starts drifting up and then you know, basically civilization will die with a whimper and adult. Diapers kind of sucks. As Anna is like anticlimactic and it's not. Exactly. I mean frankly if so give them the choice, like, I'd rather civilization bad with it when I was a baby.
Aang. Then a whimper and adult
diapers. Yeah, what's a
bang? Bang. We were three. Other choices are, you know, like, it's just like sad or the. It's just sad if you just if you just die and, you know, side isolation dies of old age, I think. So that's like the most that's probably the biggest myth that exists right now. So, population myth, when in fact, we have population collapse problem and I think people can
See this anecdotally when they talk to friends and just like we just had like none of you guys have kids yet. We're totally understandable. 20 but I mean 28. Yeah 28 million. Yeah. How old are you? 42 142? You should not contributing see like by 42 should have yeah
and I'm the problem. I know that's what I got out of this.
So yeah that's a I do I have a lot of friends mind especially you know, like a, you know,
I know a lot of women that have not had kids and like, not planning to type of thing. And I'm like, man. Yeah, so I'm worried about the, I think that's the biggest risk to civilization right now. It's just, we got to get rid of this nonsense that we're having overpopulation issue a man under
population. Why do you think that? That's not being said more than if that's a huge problem. Different agenda. I mean, I think he has some kind of,
you know, I think like maybe the sort of
Like I'm pro-environment but I think the environmentalist agenda is kind of gone too far
Kenda? Yeah. That's an environmentalist. Yeah more just kind of like the yeah yeah. I mean like a lot of these things it's like I'm honest I don't think it's like some
sort of like sort of Nefarious. Mastermind situation is just like at a dumb idea that hasn't been fixed you know, as opposed to like somebody's masterminding or something, you know?
Yeah.
But I'm just saying objectively one way or another. If we don't have kids is like operations, going to decline we're going to average age is going to increase.
When did you have your first child?
When I was 29?
29. Well, how many kids?
I'm right here my children. Well, how many baby
Boss 3? Wow. Well hold our the twins. Now that's who I met. I met the
twins 13:39. Wow, they're going to college. Oh, wow. That's
what is the oldest and youngest?
Well, yeah, it's just a baby but less than one. The oldest were 18. Nice. So, you know, crocheted, good example here, having a lot of kids.
What's it like? When they get to the age like Martine?
What teenagers like kids generally wanna hang out with her parents until they start to getting there? You know like 13. 14 by age 16 you know kids don't hang out with her dad. Yeah. That much. Anyway. Yeah so 18 the definitely don't hang out with her friends. I mean no but I have dinner occasionally you know. Yeah everything.
I wonder what's like a day like
For like Elon Musk. Like just a regular
day, like day-to-day. Basically what you do
is, I find that very interesting. Yeah. Like what time do you wake up at? What time do you wake up? What do you make your
coffee? Maybe you drink coffee, maybe you don't, but I do drink coffee. Yeah, well, I tend to be like a setup, like, fairly nocturnal. So I like go to sleep around 3 a.m. there abouts. Wow. And then, I'll wake up around usually about six six and a half hours later.
So 9:00 9:30 and I look bad habit, which I suspect a lot of people do have like immediately checking my phone
for right away.
Yeah, I do. I this is terrible habit. Actually just see like any emergencies happen overnight or now.
So I don't want to thank you too early this morning cause I have felt bad texting. You.
Yeah I was like I'm going to wait till after 12:00 at least. Yeah.
Well, I got a lot going on running SpaceX and Tesla. And, you know, so there's our, there's usually some kind of thing that's happened over night, but I think I want to change that to. I got to work out and be in better shape, you know. So we need you around. Thanks. I actually don't really like, working out, but I gotta do it. So I'm going to switch from, you know, just immediately look in my phone. First thing in the morning, as soon as I wake up to Anna,
Working out for at least 20 minutes, and then it looking at my phone,
never tried pre-workout.
Like Words, the Pre-Workout.
It's like the, like, a powder. It's got caffeine in it, and like, it's usually sometimes right? When I'm lazy, like this is for, like days. Okay? She just you gotta get pre-workout. Yeah, because gonna leave it on your bedtime. Leave it on your bedside counter. Okay. And right when you wake up, just take a scoop, okay? And then you'll be like so jittery that you can't go to bed. So you'll just, you'll have no choice started to go to the gym, or is it available for
Like, okay, we have H to do. You didn't drink a cup of
coffee?
Okay.
I'll try, I'll try not so all right.
No. But the print, the bedside pre is a key because they're so like you can't do anything, but go to the gym, you can't sit still just going to go in with a little energy drink. Okay? One, we have one and ours is all natural
to be Lana. I wonder with your influence. Do you feel as if you have or not?
Say like, do you feel like you have more influence in the government at times? Like do you feel like you can cut some ways over? It it just don't feel like I could just take over
the. Yeah I mean I mean not literally feels if like I mean like I'm Elon Musk I mean if you were an American citizen Union presidency by a landslide. Yeah. Thanks but also how many how many Twitter followers is Joe? Biden. Have we know you have a you have a lot more than some tactile check.
Yeah,
so like when you're like sitting at the house, do you ever feel like man? I have
way more influence and what the government has like.
Um.
He's very first day that I do have a lot of
influence,
34.8.
What if I faked to what a truck? Well, you've got a, you've got a bigger reach then because you almost I think of a hundred million on Twitter, right? Yeah. President has 34 million.
Yeah, so you're getting to more people than
he is, which is crazy thing
about it is crazy. Yeah, I want to know. I want to know. How do you feel about that? It's like, my might be 90%. Bots though.
You lying followers, are you limey? So we can't go there.
There's, there's a fair number of Boston diving board followers anything, but but this will my, my cat gets targeted a lot by scammers because, you know, like my account is by far the most interacted with account on Twitter. So sorry, this is my cat is most interacted with the count on the whole system. That's kind of what we're scammers are going to Target my account, you know. So
we say scammers with me like, hacking into your
account or I know, just like true, love trying to
Impersonate crypto scams
and oh, yeah. That's right. That's all over. Yeah. Yeah, it's all over the Internet. Me this for it everywhere. Yeah. A crypt
her scams are. Yeah. But there's like, you know, purpose cams are various kinds, it's criticized as being number one, but there's other scams to
but that coin that Elon coin wasn't very long coin that just blew up to.
Yeah, I mean I don't know. There's like everything coin. What do you think about? Not
really anymore though that shit coin phase kind of know but it was actually this one like
Gosh. I mean it's still trades. Well I think I haven't looked in a while but yeah,
well I've nothing to do with it. I bought a lot. I thought it was yours
but the man took a huge element has a motherfucker.
What do you think of the crypto right now?
The future Bitcoin at there in the big ones, you love those.
Yeah. I mean I mainly supporting those frankly because I think do is just like the as the memes and dogs and and it seems like as a sense of humor and doesn't take itself too seriously.
But what's the potential with it?
Why do you think actually weirdly even though Doge was just designed to be like this ridiculous joke currency? The actual total transactional. Throughput capability of Doge is much higher than Bitcoin and
The fact that this five billion dollars created every year is is actually I think good for using it as a transactional currency, because it
where is it uses a transactional currency
and we're gonna buy like Tesla much and SpaceX much with Doge. All nice and, and you can also pay for boring company rides in Vegas.
But you pay for what?
Like some more wine company has tunnels under Vegas. What?
Yeah, I know boring company with the flamethrower.
But I didn't know they had underground tunnels like that
that's when we will see what it
is. So what you save time with
traffic? Yeah the flavor was smart to get stuck on this trip and traffic and
and their live available to use right
now. Yeah. Just open the one from korres oats
world. There's tunnels under. They got a riff that. Yeah. Yeah. So Tesla's only right. All right yeah. It's like Tessa's gonna tell ya. Yeah. That's what the fuck. Yes you can. But you own a Tesla Tesla. You. I love your car by the way.
Biggest enemy right now. Yeah. Who is it?
Well, I did challenge bottom your prudent to one-on-one, you know, single combat. What why? My shoes my biggest enemy but he added challenge him to
us. All right. Where does that mean single combat?
Yes, mr.
08 that Dana White and commentating alone will pay for the wall. You have everybody watch. You think you could you think
You could take Putin. Oh, I don't know. It's, that's the that I
think would be an interesting question because he's like good at martial arts.
You guys would have time to train and shit too,
he's pretty buff, I don't know. So you see those pictures of him on a horse? And so
I mean Putin. I don't those Russians are tough, man. What's your skill set? But I'm not doubting you but like I'd be I'd be a, you be like, I don't know. Those
arms I guess I'm a bit of a weight Advantage. But
what's your game plan in the Octagon though? Yeah. You like a ground guy or like Peter. A striker. You how to use your reach our Striker maybe. But what would
Game Plan B against Putin. Would you take an hour? You said
like it has like one Judo championships and stuff. So oh he's pretty scared or not. The right
guy kicks and sign is number two,
but I but I think I'm probably 50% every on him. So I could you know,
I think I'm gonna just take him in the nuts. Yeah
I mean if you got a big weight advantage that could overcome a lot of technique you know?
Have you ever talk to him? I have a movie called The Walrus. What's that? Which I use on a friend of mine who's actually like, like, she's like, very, very agile and and whatnot, but I was like, let me explain to you, why? There are weight classes in MMA. I'm going to use a movie called The Walrus where I just lie on you and you can't get away
just like suffocating
Actually
I want to try that on Tiny. Yeah well that will
win if you have size on him in a win. I'm real on your Putin. Yeah well then just do it was you and Gabriel of try
that. They just found this you just lie on them and said that's the whole move you
ever been in a while Joe Rogan saying that right now he's got him in the walrus you ever been in a fight but like yeah. What.
Someone has a bar fight.
No. I where I grew up with the things were very violent. So I wasn't, I mean, I never, I never start a fight or anything, but I had a lot of fights didn't want to be in, and I got beat up really badly in a few of them actually, so, but so I've been in like real hardcore street fights really hard. What
age?
I don't know from when I was,
Maybe six to sixteen fish.
Well, I like people picking on you and shit
her. Yeah.
I grew up in South Africa, is very violent place, so you think that's what motivated you to become what you are.
I mean I'm very flattered roll. Certainly toughen you up that's for sure. How many people say like you know there were worried about words and stuff. We will are worried about words. Never been punched in the faith. I'd say you're in parts of the face, real hard, right? On the nose, man. You should people take you'll take any words rather than that. You know we more quiet like back then 6 to 16. Yeah I mean it was
I was bookish, you know. So I was like reading a lot of books and just a commoner. Basically I work computers and books and stuff. So
and,
And I didn't I didn't get big until I like I was like a late bloomer from a science standpoint. So I was like small relatively speaking. It was like the youngest kid in the great. I was like almost a small skin the grade. So
Being small and and having some having violent bullies is bad situation. You know? I like to do that too. Yeah, I once I got to watch them
at all. Yeah.
You because it didn't work out well for them.
Then the war is came out at Ya. Wow. Do you watch like a lot of
UFC and I know what's. It's actually not that if I don't want to hot punch in the face you're not guy out for fourth with bare fists. No problem. My guy. Yeah, yeah, bam. Watch UFC said
you watch a lot of UFC.
Yeah. Well she was saved from like, you know,
I don't know. I mean, I watched your see, occasionally these days, I watched the, the early fights with hoist Gracie.
Which one was crazy. Yeah
crazy that was like we didn't have any rules basically I mean that technically had some rules because you kind of like I got algae kneecaps or throat, you know at the same time you really want to take someone out just so I can punch him in the throat. You know that this game over poked in the eye or knock their knee cap off. You still watch now. So
So I see occasional ones and I mean there's also a lot more, I'm more. It's so, you know, interesting to watch but there's a lot more technique and yeah.
But you know, the these days they have like like weight categories. Yeah. Because if you have some, you know, 300-pound guy go against our bad guys, not going to be a contest. We got a lot
of fights. We're good friends with Dana White, the okay. Yeah. So we love UFC. Yeah. We're partners with one of the fighters sugar Sean O'Malley.
Yeah, I mean it's pretty well to his fights. I mean it's a tough gig. It is tough gig. Yeah. And so some of the injuries are gnarly. You know like
British in or something like that. And just have a floppy leg
or do some generation like brain effects to like I've
say it's yeah like I know a lot of our brains actually and you really don't want to take a hard hit like a bunch of hard hits like your brains like kind of like jello. It's like jello in a coconut like your skull is a hard coconut and and your brain is like a it's like a basically is like the consistency of Jell-O really. So yeah, the thing that damages you
You is actually the brain hitting the same but that's hitting the side of your skull because skulls real hard. So is this is actually technically some called the subarachnoid space which is like the area between your brain and and
there's no
crazy. Yeah. So you're like a little better, I don't know like quarter inch or so of space between your skull in your brain and and then you enter certain point like a really hard you know, hit is going to you go.
Lose some neurons. Yeah.
So the guys, the guys in the NFL, the CTE things real, huh?
Yeah, yeah. I mean it just any kind of hard like, real fast jerk acceleration is get your brain is going to get damaged up against your skull. How bad is that? If you get a homeowner, how
bad is a concussion, just one concussion
Clanging crash, the probably okay, one. Yeah. For such a crazy repeated. Repeated concussions are repeated injuries. Like what's going to happen is you're going to lose, you're going to lose a certain number of neurons going to die. Yes we smash your you smash your brain against your skull internally just due to a fast acceleration. You can lose some number of neurons and I keep doing that you're gonna lose enough neurons. Make a difference in what your brain can handle. A lot of neon sign that if you lose a certain point, you can loot, you're gonna start losing metal cable.
What does that do to?
Oh, just you lose your ability to think?
Yeah, some point you will usually have a Roshan of your ability to think, or, you know, ability you like you could have damaged the motor cortex, which case you could have like, Jitters or numbness or so, you lose memories, you know, you see that with a lot of NFL players, I'm not like, what about the neural? Yeah, Frank Chip.
Talk a little bit about that. Yeah. So the new only brain chip can can help with brain injuries. The our initial goal is to help people who, like quadriplegic. So tetraplegic is like, basically, you know, can't can't move anything to be able to operate their phone or computer faster than someone who's got Working Hands. That's like, that's the first thing we're trying to get done. And and then we think there's actually possible to create a lie.
Neural shunt between. So if you got like a neural link, there's golf connected to your brain, your motor cortex, you put another neural link your spinal cord past with a, the nerves are broken. And there's just like, it's like a wire. Like it's like, like a wireless bridge of the neurons are kind of like wires. And if you've got a bunch of broken wires, you can have a wireless bridge from your brain to where the neurons are still alive. You could you could have full body reanimation.
A lot of the the neuro-link downloads information, though, to write I can you learn? Like, I don't know too much about it, but can you learn a whole language from enrolling chip.
I mean, down the road, I think probably yes. We're so like neurolink version 1, which is very basic. Yeah. Think of it like a very early cell phone. Sure versus current cell phones.
Give her worried though, that at some point, that's just going to make all humans like at the same ability. If everybody has an early link,
It will actually even out ability. Yeah, I mean but bear might like you'll be able to see this coming so I'm going to happen like suddenly. Huh? So we are we haven't even had put one in one human yet so we're hoping to do that maybe end of this year or early next
in a real human. Yeah wow. We
should already have this working in monkeys like we've got like a monkey that can play Pong with a
sign. I seen that. I can play what
a monkey that can play Pong. Like I'm just by thinking
Being like, just it's not touching control or anything, it's like
playing. They made the monkey play. Ping-pong, like with the mouse and then they stop coughs, working video games, video game.
I think most people don't realize, monkeys can play Pong. So step one, monkeys can play Pong, then you so you train the monkey to play Pong and in are you give it like basically just has like a banana smoothie that I can every time you know, hits the ball using the joystick.
Little sip on the banana smoothie. And so then, so do you suppose you're trying to make you pay pong? And then then then you see activate the neural link. And you basically see when the monkeys moving the joystick, what neural signals do? You do R&D readout as and then so you can see when the monkeys moving the joystick up or down it what you're getting certain neural output from the neural neural link twice then then you just connect the joysticks. The monkey still moving the joystick.
At Georgia, 06 like connected
anymore. That's crazy. How long ago was that?
I was like you're going
is there going to be a point where the neural link can teach a monkey how to speak English?
That'd be so in
Seoul Korea sometime of the AHA.
Yeah.
Make some genius monkey asked me to take over. What could you do? You want to do that or like that? Rick and Morty, episode where they give the dog,
the viu big Rick and Morty
guy, the dogs take over the world, you got to be a big brain announcer. Yeah, I know
a guy, huh,
great?
I'll see, you. Watch anything else
there sighs? Should we watch those episodes?
In Curb Your Enthusiasm yeah, fan of that
that's not bad. Breaking Bad breaking bad's. Great Better Call Saul. Yeah, which couple Seasons. Yeah, has all rights on. I did. I couldn't get into house cause that much narcos bike Vikings and last Kingdom of pretty good.
Yeah, I haven't seen that, I heard, that's good. Yeah. Like Eric is
like that. Good.
and,
Bachelorette, probably and porous Vampire Diaries.
It's gonna office. I've seen some episodes the
office. You like that dry humor stuff? I mean,
I thought the office is not bad. I didn't find it like a like I was really dying to see more. Really. I've seen space. No space is great. Space off course a movie. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. I see that. Yeah, it's a classic. Why do you like that though?
She's the dry humor. I think you're dragging
very funny. All right here we're
still together works in 925 and like humor.
Yes. Funny - really funny. I might die like Mike judges humor in general.
Yeah like that's great. Beavis and Butthead but with the neuro-link D what do you think? Like you think there's anything ever? Do you think that could go wrong with it? Like what if what if a man could ever go wrong? What if the government no? I mean what if the government got involved in like nerd?
I
think, well, I think so. First of all, like sinner links, like not is going to take a long time to advance new ruling technology. So it's not like it'll suddenly be able to do super Advanced things. It'll be like slowly will you know, get you know enable people who are like quadriplegics to be able to control their phone and they're you know try to live a normal you know wrote normal life as much as possible. Take an asylum with people that number. Yeah. Very like it's gonna be like a is always some risk and begin.
You know, because new technology so it's got to be like the rich rewards, got to make sense. It's going to be, you know, this, there's some risk. So the rewards got to be big. So like if you require require pelagic and but within your link you can you can operate a phone even faster than someone who's working thumbs. Then that would be a huge life changer, you know. So the reward would be worth the risk. And like I said, I think we there's a way for us to actually take the motor signals from the motor cortex, in the brain.
And have a seconder link that's past the point where the neurons are broken in your spine and then and then transmit those signals so you can move your body again. Okay. So you can make I think you could enable people to walk again which would be pretty wild. Like that'll be like next level. Yeah. This is like they're never see getting Jesus level stuff, you know CSS.
Yeah. People that can't walk. Is this all you're thinking about?
Yeah, sometimes.
My thinking is like is on SpaceX and Tesla so that that absorbs the vast majority of. How do you how do you sire
link is to me even like almost more interesting than space? Like, that is insane. It's so cool. I think it's kind of scary too. But you know, he's very how advanced can you make humans? And then it's like no one, there's no differentiator. If like, everybody can be the
same level of
intelligence would be superhuman at that point, right
here would be super heat up the answer.
Anything you say is almost everyone can have same cell phone. You know, my kiss. It's like so that, you know, cell phones are a great leveler and the internet is a great leveler because like, all it used to be that information was very limited. Like in order to get learn something, you have to go to a library and if you don't have access to the library, then you couldn't have to have access to information. But now anyone, you know, in the world with like a hundred dollar phone and like, internet cafe, can access all information, you know, you learn anything.
Things actually. So, the internet is great leveler for information and education, you just learn anything online for basically, for
free. You see, neurolink as like one day, everyone will have one or, or would it only be for people that have like disabilities?
No, I think so. We're just starting off with like I said like long-term Vision. Yeah, it like this. Yeah, so we're starting off with things where it's like because there's like some risk, you know? So we're like what? We're not sure things will go, right? So it goes got to be.
Some risk because new technology. So the reward has to be really high, like, you know, being able to use a phone but it's not use a phone. You're having your realtor walk or not, walk is big, big reward. So, that's how we'll start off. And then, you know, I think there's like a bunch of things that could be addressed like extreme depression or like morbid obesity like where people like died at age. 35 like this, we could
Like literally change the setting in your brain and internal hunger which were pretty pretty, pretty cool. You know, sometimes get like serious depression to the point where they like suicidal to fix ya financial and the benefits are here
are just that we're sampling and we put our board a pond there. Okay. You just like trolling. Yeah, I love trolling. Yeah.
Actually rocks. Yeah. So that's, you know, that's dope. If you can get like you no longer thousand likes like that on Twitter. Yes, troll people. You know what's like the troll?
Do you respond to haters at all?
Hey, you went in with a OC, a little bit right, you went after her. Well yeah I mean I don't you want at AMC started it. What was that? Wait. What was that situation?
She was like
But then I was like, well, okay, why don't we have a poll and see, who do you prefer? You know, like oh wait, I think my Paul was like you know, it's like oh she was like saying oh billionaires were evil and you're a billionaire and therefore you're evil or something like that, you know? And I was like and I was like well, you're a politician.
Yeah like that
you know people in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones and then I met
And then I'm gonna hold a pole like, okay, which one do? I don't know, like, more about politicians are billionaires and I like billionaires Warren by a lot, you know? So like, okay, take that ioc. And and then and then like some some someone who was like, super pro AF, c-- ran a direct Paul of like, you know, who do you like more AOC or Elon Musk expecting like are seeing a
woman?
Okay. You know, in the me Marina. It's like the MMA. You know.
You walrus there on the poles. Why? You knew you were going to win by like no I mean I don't know for sure. Let's go.
She died. She has a die-hard following. This is about following this lame doesn't know who she is, but I think you'd like, I don't really know. She's Rich butter? No, not her politics. I think you think she's attractive? Yeah. Oh, you know, she's okay. Yeah, she's alright. She's alright,
that's great choice, lipstick. I think
Tony, I'm wrong. Were you always like
Are you always like publicly more, like conservative? I feel like that's something a little more recent, a my conservative or just like I mean, no, no. Well like, conservative well, you're like a billionaire that even even? I mean that mean anyway, I've heard that a small supporting conservatives like DeSantis and stuff like that. I think
Justice is like, I don't know. He seems like you're doing a good job in Florida. You know. He wasn't like doing it dope. He's doing an amazing job. Yeah I think it's a good dog Florida. I just like
not many billionaires come
Like, I don't know, I don't see it like it's mostly, you know, don't you get that pressure?
Yeah, definitely a lot of pressure. I mean there's like you're pushing me knows all sorts of directions but I would say, like, I think I'm a moderate, you know, I don't know. At least, you know, I generally think like, you know, we should let people like, you know, the government shouldn't oppress the people and stuff, you know, and shouldn't be like, mandating.
Lots of things, you know, telling people what to do, you know. We don't like a break Big Brother situation where the government's just like, you know, bossing people around and you know, so
We should just make sure like, you know, freedom in America is preserved, you know?
Yeah. The craziest thing to me, too. How come Tesla for instance is so dominant in the electric car space because I know, you know, Fisker Nicola all these others, but they can't compete like, at any
level,
like, why are you so far ahead of all these guys? This Fisker even a thing. Yeah, trying. He was trying, he's on his second. Go, Henrik, Fisker.
Well, the, the hard problem is not making a prototype. The hard problem is is making the factory. So the factories like a hundred times, maybe a thousand times harder than the Prototype so that's why I'm like working here. I'm analyzing the Tesla Factory Friday, Saturday and Sunday,
Yuri said, you're there. I
was literally this past Friday, Saturday Sunday in the factory or weekend basically.
And because we're working on bring up the factory, it's really hard to production so that the issue is, is like a prototypes are easy production is hard. You got to have this giant Factory, which is like the cybernetic Collective with ten thousand things that can go wrong and you're going to solve mole really fast. If you don't solve problems fast enough Factory doesn't go and the and they've got some big factories going to burn money like crazy if you can't make products. Oh
But manufacturers underrated, it's really hard.
Well do you worry about the competition or you like
it? I'm going to worry about competition. Not not not opposed to a point of like, oh hey that it's just not a thing, it's not a like out Tesla's success or failure will not be because of competition. It's like, do we make a high quality product at a price? People can afford and I kind of feel guilty right now. I got prices are kind of high, you know, because we also just don't know.
Where inflation is headed by share informations like because like the waitlist for. So for some Tesla depending on which model ideas could be like up to a year. So then if you like okay well we gotta move up on that. Yeah then it's like yes I just get inflation, is nine percent? Well we better increased prices. You know if a car sold today delivering a year we have to anticipate the inflation. Yeah like are frankly our prices are embarrassingly high right now so I'm hoping inflation goes down. I think I probably will
Actually it's like a little too early to tell, but I think the trend is that like, we're like at Tesla. We're seeing the prices of Commodities. Six months out are, the more are going down than up. So that's like a positive sign on the inflation front.
We will see it's a little too early to tell. Is
there anything you can share on the Cyber truck updates.
Yeah, yeah. So we expect to be in volume production of Cybertron next year. So it's a since I said like a radically different architecture from any other car, it's quite difficult to figure out how to make it. You know, as it's not you can't just use prior techniques to make actually Savage truck. You have to invent a whole new set of
Factoring techniques look for the Cyber track. So but if we I think this point we feel like we've got a handle on all the issues and we expect to start delivering them by the middle of next year. We need like 20 of them.
We want to use our alcohol and we want to wrap up and happy Dad. We're going to make a more delivery type is a sick party and it's great. How many people are on the all happy Dad delivery GSXR spending 20 of them Mila and will be all wrapped, happy dead, people Instagram them,
like it was thing about Star Trek, is going to change.
The whole look of the roads,
we're happy to pay how so we're happy to pay. Yeah we're having family, just need we looking pickup truck,
it just looks radek. It's just a like the whole aesthetic is just it looks like CGI in real life like you when you're standing right next to it.
I mean, imagine picking up a girl on a cyber Truck. Yeah, that would be the ultimate like it's pretty much. It's hard Works done. Like the second she gets in the car. It's just kind of like over, you know, my tech, my Tesla. Now my Tesla. Now, we're repopulating, you know, as
well as
Green does. Well, what did what did you pull up in or what Tesla do with your everyday driving a Model? S - yeah, it's a beauty and all right. I just I mean you know with model as I was aiming for something that what is the car I want to drive one. Anything. And so this is how kids that's like four doors and stuff. We need to be able to put the kids eat somewhere. What else I wanted to be really good with handling and acceleration. We
have your mom
Well, as a model as
2021. Yeah. Well as the so, what do you like the car? I mean,
it's, it's just, it's like a perfect
car. That's great. It's nice.
I mean, I got a wife. What else would you want? No one else. Sure
that's why I grasped her great this
guy hates the charging stations way too long, a supercharger man. Hey, yeah. You know, that money part of our content at one of our guys, Steve the one who lost his YouTube channel is giving away Tesla's. He's given away. I think he's bought well over slowly Tesla's in the last year and a half. Yeah, test, it's cliche but there's
Amazing. Now, their ex, what about solar
panels? We would see future on that. I think solar will be the single biggest source of energy in the world. So it says, adjust this quite a lot of solar and it's growing, it's growing fast. So solar cities you as well. I will so see it was acquired by Tesla but then we retired the SolarCity brand and now it's just Tesla Tesla. Okay. Yeah.
Holy Soul like a lot of houses that were installed with SolarCity and stuff, so, yeah, and
Yeah, but would like for sustainable energy, the energy future, you got solar power and they need battery packs, stationary backpacks to sort of solar power because I was the sun doesn't shine at night, and, and then electric vehicles. And then you've got a fully sustainable future. So the real value of Tesla is accelerating, the Advent of sustainability is like, that's like what what's what is the real value of Tesla to?
Civilization. It will be accelerating sustainability by 10 years, maybe 20 years. Wow, jeez autopilot what
the hell? Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, but you know, I do like, autopilot I do like to. Yeah, just have my eyes are fine. I'll go from LA to OC. Yeah, we should I say, well, that's it.
It's amazing. Because, like, in traffic, you don't have any opportunity like,
Yeah. Yeah
autopilot has changed my life straight up. Well yeah well not that I don't trust you or anything, but I just have to have my hand on the wheel. Just tell you about the Tesla that I've noticed is the autopilot feature just changes the game for anybody. Yeah.
It's if you're using saying, what if you're commuting in traffic, it's amazing old will Game Change. Especially in l.a. Yeah, I
love the piano in the fire. Oh
yeah.
I
know what you did took. I took a chick to the honks are crazy, too. How do you do that? You just come up with that. You can fart if you honking. Yeah. Oh my God.
Yeah. There's like there's an internal at fart app where you can make a fart sound. Like it's coming from any seat seat in the angle. So, you know, it's like you just using, like, special
video
a like, and people on expecting that, you know. So I usually when people are
walking across, I know who came up with that idea has been busy and you guide me thought of that idea.
So far, like you can the horn can make a fart sound so you can like just farted people?
Yeah. Yeah.
Part one is. You can, you can have different fart sounds and they can put you can pick which seat it's coming from.
Yeah, the bad guy.
So you, so like, we're sorry, it doesn't know that this exists that you can really play a mess with them, you know because they just not expecting it. Like you can say like the fart sound should come from the right rear seat and the speakers will just produce it from there. And if you like,
Well, not even use
an outside like when I use it on PA like sometimes, fuck around, I honk and stuff people. Usually I would expect them to give you a kiss. That's the one thing though if you want to honk at somebody and you fart out. Um, I don't know if it's as like, you know, you cut me off. I want to know like, Yo, dude, you cut me off but I mean it's funny they're probably
laughing. It's kind of funny, you know. I'm like the road rage. Yeah. It was like make the sort of the, the car can the external speaker can like
When you're just cruising around a parking lot or something you can make it play, like, you know, Polynesian elevator music or Sakura like snake jazz, or you can make it like play the Coconuts down from Monty Python and so it's like clop clop clop. Sounds like a
horse is a pretty sick any any other features you haven't tapped into you want to launch.
I mean, there's like little little things that here and there is a whole bunch of Easter eggs in the car, which I think people found almost all of them online.
Three eggs,
Easter eggs, me like little things you can just do
things. You got to discover yourself.
Yeah, just go yourself. Overtaking you just, you know, Google it or
anything, anything. Anybody hasn't discovered
Not that I know.
But there's sometimes is like, things like the guys don't tell me they're in there. Oh, wow. You know, found a. So I like it's only recently. I found it voice command. Open bottle, will open the
charge port. Do it tweeted that? Yeah. Well
then the charge port door opens. Wow, is
there sir? Is there a supercharger?
Because nobody else would like that. Like this. Yeah, I know. Well no other carpet companies have no sense of humor. You
know, like they're super serious. No fun. No
fun. Yeah,
he'll, I mean, I go with the Tesla just like what's the most amount of fun you can have in a car basically. Anything like my are you do that? You
know hell yeah, let such a rare quality. You have you on is that you're such a smart guy but you're also like, you know, how to relate to the, to the people. Yeah, well, I mean, I just think that's what
I like. Yeah, you definitely of comedy in. You. Yeah, of course.
Stand up as my side hustle
chargers for the
house. Or is it just, you know, regular wall charger. Yeah, is all you need. That's true. He's the
guy that doesn't flow as iPhone. It light and I do, I'm saying like, I'm always there but I will tell you that.
10 miles for at least 20 minutes on the road and I've gotten to a supercharged. So thank you for that.
Yeah, I mean it does have more miles than it. Says if we're says, you're actually got more a few more miles left. Yeah. So yeah. So yeah, the more fun stuff coming down the road, we're actually just we're trying to get like steam working and Lawn Tesla's so like you can play once we get steam working, then you can play any game. That's
Jean on Steam on a Tesla. No really. Yeah, that's huge. It's cool. Wow, that'd be kind of fun especially if you get the self-driving thing going you know, oh yeah where you going to do, you know, you and your phone will play a game or watching movies and mmm. So then it's crazy,
it's funny because people always say, yo, I fell asleep, but I had the autopilot. But during the autopilot you have to hold the steering wheel when I know you're there. Well
yeah what will happen is if you do fall asleep then the car will start beeping at you and like really is going to be fit to rule out if
Do anything. So let's wake you up. It'll if you wake up sometimes people like passed out so much. They don't wake up but then the car will just gradually slow down and put on the emergency blinkers. Wow that's way better than falling asleep in a call. Yeah what a pilot is going to crash. Absolutely only thing that got me to really, you know get it up on the autopilot front was in the early days. There was a guy that fell asleep at the wheel on a Model S and and here an oversight
Listen killed a
cyclist. Oh my God Model S is gonna see.
Well it was just like you know this happens all the time. Actually you know is like people fall asleep at the wheel and they like 1 over y. Isn't that what the model? I kind of like just fall asleep. I think the model S kind of like a downgrade virgin right? No, my lesson. What I'm talking about early model is we're doing like 20 early, okay? Before there was any autopilot. So there was a guy that fell asleep at the wheel and he he veered off the road and killed cyclist. This happens all the time, you know. So
And I was like man if we just had autopilot then that cyclist was still be alive, you know. So it's like we we better hurry up with autopilot get that working, you know, that's
not. Do you feel? Do you ever feel like I mean maybe or maybe not
but do you ever feel guilty when someone is like sleeping behind a wheel and then some bad happens like that? Well, I mean now with a with with autopilot that's less likely and we also have like even if the or Apostle not on like Lane departure warning.
Type, just, you know, people them, which will help wake him up and I think probably will just start adding the autopilot safety features. Like we're pretty sure you don't want to crash or run some run someone over, you know. So so we'll just get a steer, the car in the right direction is there. Even if you don't ask us on the Assumption, you do not want to
crash, is there ever going to be a time? Where you don't even have to touch the wheel? And you can say, hey I'm gonna go from LA to San Diego, put in the GPS, don't need to do anything.
I mean, do that right now with a full self-driving beta. All you can. Yeah. You have to touch
the wheel. Let him know you're awake or anything.
Well, you touch the wheel just to confirm that you were paying attention but it the car is capable of doing that most likely without any intervention saying we need those ASAP. Yeah. Now as the product matures and we get to very high levels of reliability, then
you know, we'll get to the point where you won't need to touch the wheel or pay attention. You could basically just fall asleep and wake up at your destination to. Wow
that's a mindful. That is saying
Jesus Christ. How far are we from that? In fact I mean really if if you have your calendar sync with the with the car or it's just if you don't say anything the car should just default take you to work or take you home. You know like if it knows or take you to the
Destination your calendar. You seem to say anything. Just get in and get anything. Get out of. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. You
think we're headed into like a big
recession?
I don't think we're headed into a big recession.
I'd say like maybe a mild recession but it could be a mild recession that last for a couple of years. Some like that, you know,
but the thing that's hard to predict or like, you know, if there's like
You know, like if there's like a war between China and Taiwan or something like that, that would send the world into recession, you know. And you know, that's always put that's a possibility if the sun like big, big event, you know. But like and there is a challenge of China right now.
With Minsk a the Taiwan
China Taiwan. Try to stuff is worrying, Thomas Carey. There is an independent of that there.
There's kind of this kind of a looming bust in the property Market in China, where there's just been over built apartments and buildings in general. There's this too many 220 housing, 20 primary housing units in China, which seems crazy because a lot of people in China but the China has over bold primary housing units and people to speculate
Iran primary housing units, just like the US did in lead up to 2008. So, nearest lead-up 2008. The US was building primary housing units at twice the rate of household formation. So if you, you know, if you're making houses twice as fast as as families are forming, then obviously something's got to give and that we're doing in the US for a while. And so China has been doing that as well. But even more so that that'll be a that's a correction that's going to happen. But ultimately the Chinese
We will be gigantic and is gigantic and will recover from this, but there's going to be probably a temporary recession in China, driven by an over allocation of resources towards construction. So,
based off of like the primary living stuff. How do you think? Like if we're talking about tiny houses, right? Being sustainable stuff like that, how do you persuade people who can afford to live in million-dollar houses to be like, yeah, you can live in this 50,000 or box.
That might not care about the
environment. Well, I don't think everyone's gotta live in a fifty thousand dollar box, you know? That's something that, you know, that's nothing but table at some point. No, I mean if somebody wants to live in a tiny house just because I want to live in a tiny house, I guess I'm living in a tiny house and you know, South Texas but
You know, it's fine but I saw like it's necessary for people living in tiny house, just to save the environment. Got it? Yeah.
How do I need is your house? Like me better as you have in there. Let me
square feet is a doctor. So, yeah, I
talked to Sita, I don't know, like maybe eight or nine
about AI stuff, never fear about AI Revolution
or Rebellion.
Yeah, that is a risk.
AI is advancing rapidly.
That'll be my risk list.
How how soon you think that is something got to worry about now or 10
years probably less than 10 years.
Really for what robots, a eyes to attack the human
some necessarily to attack but who say like when is it dangerous?
When they become smarter than us? I guess 10
years I mean they've already were smarter than us in most ways
but when they know hey do you have any goals on a is? Yeah let's go. I mean those things could be hacked to well, that's I think
That's a big fear to more than aliens computers. Like you said, are smarter than us. So when do they, when do they become smarter to be like, yeah, we can take over the world.
Yeah. Computers are already smarter than us and most respect but but
but do they have that sense of like power. Like it's a, I like it. Like this power come from like being like human and like like Consciousness. Like this is an AI necessarily going to like seek that power to destroy.
This programs do. So right now, there's a tremendous amount of AI technology in advertising course. So so like I guess if the
You know, this is like a mass amount of AI is trying to get you to click
something. Oh yeah it feels like even our phones like people are talking all the time. You're talking about a topic and then you get a delicious. Yeah, they listen that alone I think is kind of see what Tick-Tock you give access to know. You give them access to like everything. Really no one reads it. Are you on Tick-Tock? Yeah. Your Twitter only always wondered why nowhere. Why is
that?
I mean, I only need one means of like communicating to people, you know. So
you have a secret IG account, Instagram account. They usually have a secret admirer. Of course. Was you got like zero followers? He's
yeah. No. It's just. I literally just like I can click on links
instead of just like troll Pi, you troll people, for sure. I don't know. I don't troll. Actually haven't told you that burner, councilman know. I actually haven't told anyone where the I don't have, I think that's cap. You have to somebody even John like, you know, you're kind of a pushy guy.
Eyebrow. Like, no, you know, the crazy thing is, I was in that
pushing never had any Twitter account except my own.
So, how do you just launched an Instagram to? Yeah, you'll pop off.
Help us out man. Well no, I mean I wasn't as grand for a while but he can get you verify. I mean, so the problem is like Instagram, man. It's just a thirst trap, you know, strap. So on the women's side. Yeah, yeah, totally. But like and if
you wanted something is like I found myself taking like a lot of self.
These and shit.
And I'm like, what the fuck? And
yeah, your DMV.
And then I was like, listen, I've been trying to get more likes and do self. Self is not going to Instagram models like they just. Yeah. But
now you just make a mean page. Yeah like a fuck Jerry type. But edgier yeah a little your Instagram would be pretty dope. So if you design a mini page I've only seen one photo of you and I was you next to a computer that
that is the only
Photo I've ever seen you on Instagram. Okay. I've never seen any other one instagram. Yeah like I thought it was your actual count but it wasn't I guess
I was afraid to call despite a lot of fakes. Yeah. As a of course yeah
I mean I found like you know there's just I can whatever message I'm trying to get across can just throw on Twitter and yeah jewelry post on Instagram and stuff so
yeah how about Snapchat
I don't use to have tried. Do Snapchat. I have it. Do you use it? Yeah. Okay.
Okay, for a little
bit, like, like snap a few girls. Yeah. I like, I actually like the arteries. They have like, the official ones pretty big though, that's like pretty good for you. Is actually to I got like 2 million loss. There's long. And then there's holding our stuff. Snapchat is great to
snaps just for like
women, snaps low-key, like one of the best ways to promote stuff. I find to. Yeah because they don't unfollow you or anything. It's like and your there forever and aren't are on our official page. It's like only or diehards follow it you know like random. You don't follow a random person on Snapchat.
You got to be at, I heard she would rarely see somebody on ADD somebody on Snapchat. Right, that's why I think we, you say, like, very personal to. If you tell someone to do something like go, like this poster, go do this. I find on Snapchat. It's very personal. So they do it. We have good upper, we have meetups and thousands and thousands thousands. I think we did want to Fort Worth. I was like almost 5,000. Shut up - wow. Yeah, helicopter. Forward PD said, if we show up, we're gonna get arrested for inciting a riot because there's too many people.
People there. Well, we have guns on mode on Snapchat like we didn't even really posted anywhere else. We just post on Snapchat and went viral from there. We promote a launch. Have a meet-up at a
launch. Well it's actually it's easy to see launches from from Florida because this you can go get pretty close and we have launched every week.
Have you ever had a fever? Had a show you on? Hold on. Have you ever had a violation or any problems? Like, tweet taken down
and eat that actually. No, I guess that.
I've heard some pretty borderline tweets, but no problems. They've never actually ever taken a direct action against me. I think they might have, like, Shadow Bandit or something Twitter's personal to, I mean, same thing as
Twitter, probably loves having you on that. I think Twitter kneel on. I tweeted,
this is right. Okay,
God I got like a hundred thousand would you say
okay cool.
Yeah, I can sweet way and I'll get, you know, I know hold on you know what your most viral tweet is
All time, like your most viral like retweeted likes. What is it?
It's a next I'm going to buy Coca-Cola and put the cocaine but that
break a million now that you know that wow, how many lives did that guy? Better? Got a million though, I
think you're like 4 million or something. Oh my God.
They used to have folks. Today used to have coconut
Twitter stingy with like, so like getting 4 million likes is insane
videos to have cocaine
at. Did you already cocaine? You said a Coke Coca-Cola, used to have cocaine back in the day.
What day was that? My girl. Yeah, I wasn't born like fill you up stuff in your drab
that that was the most part, most popular tweet of all time. How long you guys tweet ever made by a living person.
It's amazing. Wow. Your Tweet the man on Twitter
because the second most popular one after Chadwick Boseman but that we
use AI to predict what they're gonna like slap. Go stressful. That's it was fun. What's usually I saw that shit.
That may have been what I hit you up for like that was what trigger for me to get call you,
then it and then I added added acid code of Coca-Cola and say listen, like listen to the people, you know,
this is just how quick this Coca-Cola. Come on, just Coca-Cola.
Recalculate people are saying put the cocaine back in Philly. They want it. So come on they reach out to you about
that. If your roots Ilana did you just tweet? Do you just like whatever like you just tweet whenever whatever you feel like?
Like it. Yeah, pretty much. That's so Savage. You're the only guy that has the balls in no position to do that. Do you like has a lawyer gets approval fucks? Yes, you do anything about right now? Like do you have any in your trash that we could just yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's it like? Yes,
I'm not exactly what's in the drafts folder. All right. Good friend of mine just did say, like, listen, if you miss something that maybe is not a wise tweet, why don't you save in the drafts folder and see if you want to send it the next morning and I'm like, okay, I'm not saying what they are but there are a few in the drafts folder that I died the next morning, I was like, okay.
Progressions in that. So
it was pretty insane for me to challenge prudent to, you know, one-on-one combat,
how conveyor under
Echo. We're pretty well, and then it even gotten like Russian Telegram and stuff. And then I got
us, would you ever take on Kim
jong-eun
Every few ones
I saw, you say no, what about a friendly cause I feel like Kim jong-eun would be down.
I mean, you know, if you
want students are really about it. I feel like he just chilled all but he had some people. I remember, he tweeted, like, you know, if I disappear in the middle of the night, you know, where I went, and I think your mom got involved,
right? Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean, Stephen said. That's not
funny. It's you just say that's not
funny. Yeah. I mean like I don't have an assassination Squad, you know.
Yeah.
We gotta protect yourself though. He
got us whenever we gotta sir, key differences between
that's a problem though. He ever you don't ever feel scared? If you go out Russia or Kim
Jong Hoon,
No, I did think. Like, man. This, this could be a really this, this could really backfire and result. Yeah,
yeah. Oh yeah, Brussels Center. You worry about that worry about like some of these people not understanding your
humor.
I'm taking a look like sisters. Wouldn't have a good sense of humor.
so,
yeah, I mean
Probably tweeting can be hazardous to your health. It sounds like you know,
you've no fear. You don't fear anybody. I don't have a death
wish, right? Yeah. I mean everybody's gonna die. Just question 1. So,
how do we create something to Keep Us
Alive? One word about doing?
Can we create something that keep us alive longer?
He looked into that
longevity of. So yeah, I don't know if we should have longevity because the people who will get the longevity capability, first are really probably people. You wouldn't want to live that long, rich people, right?
How long would you want? You know, I don't know some, some businesses, like, I think a lot of people in power who you wouldn't want them to have some super longevity situation because in the never be out of power,
you think that's going to be possible though, with like, modern medicine and just everything we're doing.
So a model in Jeopardy, I think is probably a certainly possible. She has possible sure.
You think that be at 5 exercise? I think I could probably solve so of longevity to
some degree, but I don't want to
What if somebody I guess, it doesn't matter for you
another? Yeah.
Someone approached you and said, hey, I need to live, 150 years.
You're saying, no, I think we'll definitely do that. Like, it will definitely be able someone's going to do that. No, but I mean, if it takes you 10, 15 years to develop at least, living like 10, whatever, 10 extra years. Yeah,
If the right person came to you,
the problem is like you know, when people get old they don't change their mind, they just die. So if you want to have progress in society, you got to make sure that, you know, people need to die because they don't change. They get old, they don't change their mind. Absolutely. So if change live for a long, super long time, I think society would get lazy rights price tail in a very ossified
Medicaid's. I mean, if you live forever, what the fuck?
Care about tomorrow.
Anna. Wait. Also. Yeah. Older people are stuck in their ways, right? Like they've lived their whole life. They're not like
she was stuck in her ways and I don't trust him either just that some people are just ready to die.
Yeah, well yeah. Well yeah, a lot of lived enough live. I think you sort of you're ready to
die would narrow link. Be able to save people's memories like a geotechnical down has memories and we put it in another
person, especially Advanced, your link will be able to save save State. How you would be exactly the same person but you're also not exactly the same person when you wake up every morning. A little different from when you went to sleep.
So, especially Advanced MirrorLink would enable you to record and
- be like, a clone in a different body. So to say,
yeah, sufficiently Advanced cure link. You could say save game, basically, you think they've been
game? You think they've cloned humans
I don't know, I'm not aware of any cloning of humans that is actually taking place, but if you say, is it possible to clone here is a powerful way, of course,
because they've admitted to cloning sheep. Right?
Well you can get your dog Cloud right now. Yeah, Zappa quickly as a dog cloning service where you do
that there's gotta be clones. I'm
assuming advertising product. Refuse such clone my dog, howling like a dog.
That's like that's like when your cat that's kind of common. I don't know if I like even rare, comic loan your dog Sherman. As a cloned dog doesn't he
It? But we're gonna question, clones. And then be like, your dog times. Kevin has like the most, like, dope
would be pretty weird whatever they're
called. I don't know if I like that, not pit bulls, but Staffordshire I think they're cloned.
And you can look at not only
the clothes that that they're there. The top three links are going to be advertising for cloning your dog. Wow, work
at. That means there has to be, there's a clone on the plan. Well, how much does that cost? A few Mad Dog? You know, maybe not in, use inexpensive going to be collected, 50 Grand to clone a dog. It's not even that crazy about doing that. People can afford that. Chris people out there that can afford, that's correct. Yeah, it s Craig.
50 girls like three cracks. Yeah. Yeah.
Renee. What do you think? And they'll just run
around as long as it might be better. Yeah, I mean, if there are already trained to go outside than shit, clone might be the option.
Well you can literally I think there's a dog cloning service here in Austin. Oh my God. Yeah what is going on? That's crazy. That's crazy. I think it's just if you can clone a dog can go to human
yes and level difficulty. Wow that's scary. Cloning human I mean someone
Tested it somewhere. I bet I'd bet my pull bank account like there's a lot of thing that's happened so I'm Bradley Martin mean, yes. Is this really you? Or
what?
Feels like me like one of the things I say about for like you're like this kind of a real mind. Trip is like let's say neurolink enables a full sort of recording of memories and like and and all of your feelings and everything.
All yelling that is the biggest one right there. You're like everything does does the but our feelings like chemical, there's also your brain remitting it right, but she's crazy.
Everything you've ever felt all your ammo, everything folks all electrical signals right. Whoa. So come in so neurons firing
so old-fashioned fun. So the Clones will have feelings and
you could record record everything. Oh my God,
that's scary. That's when they eyes take over though.
Yeah, but I'm saying like so
that like saying, yeah, that's what
you could actually even recreate like a video game. That's like the most real video. Like very game. Where every sense that you feel is your in the game like something like this. Like, this could be in your
Your link video
game. But so does that mean? If you die in a video game, you die in real life type thing, not necessarily what's your mind, convince you of
that? Well,
you could do anything. It makes the brain. Believe
anything, like? Yes. That what? What is death death is the loss of information? Hmm. So like if you let's say like like, like if you got just integrated but but then got, you know, reintegrated immediately with no pain or anything.
Did you die?
Well, not really because you you're still continuing. So like it weren't in a video game. You do.you die. A lot in a video games, but for do than yours come back to a savegame state. Yeah, mmm. And now so you see, like, what is death? What is, what does that actually mean? It's the loss of the information associated with that individual, if you no longer have lots of information associated with that individual,
Death has no meaning.
I mean, it could hurt. I suppose GTA V.
This is crazy. Do you play video games?
Yeah. What are you game? I just played Alden ring which is really great, Eldon rain Ellsbury, I've never
even heard of that. Have you guys all during is
amazing what does console for PC? Really? What's the
game? I'm sorry. I haven't heard of it.
Eldon ring is a great game. It's probably game of the year.
I'ma get roasted by The Gaming Community are screwed. It's a frozen, it's a from software. Anyway, it's like a shooter or
it's like a fantasy game was awesome game. I highly recommend playing old Murray. Well, now I'm going to play it. I promise you. It's great. So I'll ring has the most beautiful art I've ever seen.
Super Advanced.
It's just beautiful art. Like you. Did you grow up in sickly and
amazing? Did you grow up playing like video games?
Yeah, I grew up playing very primitive video games because I'm like, 51. So, that's no spring chicken.
It's like super smash Nintendo.
Super Smash, I played a mean where else.
That's primitive. I asked, but probably not super primitive
to. Yeah, no, I just, you know, doesn't play Smash alive before there was even pong sure I had a console.
Console before Atari, the port for the original Atari. Wow? Only had four games. Everything I could. You can even add new games, you can only play four games. So I think about creating your own console. No.
No need for that. What about sports the call it consoles? Or convertibles only child? Right? Doesn't consoles. This pointer will basically PCS. Yeah,
so we just now shout no challenge there. Really?
I'm not sure this value to be additive but yeah, another console so the games I play on the PC I've only played a few games on the console but I play a lot of games on the
PC is that again that your time about multiplayer?
Do you play with a headset of multiplayer? So have you ever played with like random
people?
Yeah. I mean, I played OverWatch, and I
do talk in the mic and let it like
so, okay? They'll be like, no.
I'll be why. I feel like you have some good
chirps though.
Yeah.
I've played the I've played the entire evolution of video games, from, like I said, early, like Palms face better stuff, Pac-Man all the way, through to
Super, high-resolution, multiplayer online games at one point. I was quite competitive at quake and
played what I think was maybe the first paid Esports thing in the US was it a quick tournament and
My team came second, we would have come first except that. I was the second best guy on the team in the best guy. His computer glitched halfway through the game.
How hard did you try your team after you lost or did you
we got money and stuff like some really? Yeah, although yeah. I mean it wasn't a big check but it was. So
how does a team come together with you all
for playing video games?
Like a SpaceX team
knows, my first company is up to oh nice. A very early internet company.
I play a lot of games. Basically, can you imagine if Ilan goes GTA streaming? I mean, you'd break the internet
multiple ways but that'd be the
most insane. But what do you think? Would you do? Well, I'm ready. I'm really embarrassed to admit this. I play a fortnight. Okay.
Yeah. Two k's. Dope to I'll play too bad. You can't, you can't, you can't wait for tonight. I know it's really bad. But for nights like the most advanced game of the first like it was huge, it was so big and they took a leak.
Killed everything for tonight, or no.
I've seen videos of it,
it's so fun. I mean, time to grow up, you know, my place
but I find chest is like it's a simple game. Frankly, in my opinion, there's a strategy game called poly Topia which can get on your phone, which I think is probably the best strategy game. Hmm
polytope. Yeah, chess is simple. Yeah well I mean okay but can I
Sorry. Oh, can I for is a real big force of will to very simple? Well, very simple Chester who though. No, no, no, Jess, Jess. I mean, you only have 64 squares is no fog of War, there's no Tech Tree, you know, but slowly sliding for fog of war tech, tree have like, 400 squares, you know, very wide range of units where you can build any, you know, wide-ranging, it's the then the degrees of freedom are just so much greater than just your Ross. Fuck is Jess, right?
Well, are you undefeated, in chess is the real
question? I was pretty good at rest as a
Kid. Have you been beat? Yeah, just like I won every game. But you know, I guess when I came to the conclusion that computers are going to get better than humans. Oh yeah, by a lot. That's why I get started. Yeah, I mean, I just, I don't want to spend like a massive amount of effort. Just, you know, understanding, you know, a zillion sort of, you know, Knight Bishop combinations for sure, two points and game bullshit. Yeah, of course, was there
I'm curious now. Yeah, you got a great. I am curious now. Wrestle Camp wrestle. You got a green?
Yeah, it's great. Hold up. This is great. Do you know? I mean new
edition. Do you like that's awesome. I'm just curious. Do you gamble it all like do you play poker cards? Nothing like that.
Nope.
I never got into it big enough for us to enrich other matters but not yeah, the Rockets you like, but like video games to be like my main sort of thing to do to get away? Quiet my mind, you know. Yeah.
So if the demons in my mind, prevailing at me,
are you religious at all?
I'm not.
I would say, I generally agree with the teachings of Christianity but I'm not religious like I agree with you believe in a higher power and like, you know, like like turn the other cheek and love thy neighbor, as thyself. And I kind of think, I think those are good for the teachings of like. Yeah, I
think a prince but do you believe in like a god or like a higher
power?
well something created the universe or universes, you know here how did it come to be you could say whatever caused the universe to count to be is God or Gods depending on your view but I don't know, I think as a philosophy that philosophy I think makes sense is to go out there and do is to expand Consciousness so that we're better under better able to answer the
Questions of like, what is the meaning of life? What is the nature of the universe? What are even the right questions to ask? And if we can expand Consciousness, more humans and more digital intelligence than our opportunity to understand the meaning of life is that much greater. And so I would call like say like I've the philosophy of curiosity to understand the nature of reality so you've never practiced any religions.
No, I was, you know, I was sent to weirdly a Hebrew preschool, I'm not Jewish, but I have my dad sent me there because there's like nearby. And I guess his Partners in his engineering firm with they, send their kids there. So. So is it Hebrew preschool? And then Anglican Sunday school and so is like having together one day and Jesus. I love the next, you know, and
but I would say that I, you know, was I've never been particularly religious,
do you give an answer for what the meaning of life is
What you're meaning of life is,
well, I think the, currently, the thing to do is to expand the expand humanity and, and Consciousness to the point where we are able to answer that question. I don't think we can answer that question yet or we can't answer, we can't answer what's the meaning of life? Well,
yet, I find that. So interesting, how it's like, you know, we're technically like the most intelligent species on the planet so to say but we can't even
No one on this planet can explain like, or provide evidence of like our existence or how we were created. I find that so in, you know what I mean, like could be very snowing on this planet. Could say, how are we created? That's why I feel like there has to be some sort of higher power, You Know, It's gotta be like, we're not smart enough to even explain our own
existence. Well, we can say step-by-step based on the archaeological evidence, the fossil record and what we know physics, how we came to be
At this point. So,
But that doesn't explain how the universe came to exist in the first place.
Dad, to be like something at some point. Like, we can't even get a grasp that right? Or is this some level in high
dimension on which thought and emotion exist? I don't know. Like, how did molecules
Have Consciousness and feelings.
So, you know, at least like the the chain of events from a physics standpoint, from the beginning of the universe to now are quite well, understood really. Yeah, if it's somehow, we're in from a bunch of hydrogen gas to complex molecules, and then an assemblage of complex molecules like ourselves that can feel and talk and think
so,
I mean, just if you leave hydrogen out long enough, it starts talking to itself. Basically, what happened here?
so, so we're along that path from a bunch of hydrogen molecules to
Humans. Where did Consciousness start this crazy, maybe maybe everything's conscious.
And we're a pattern of molecules like the actual atoms in our body change.
You know, so you're the cells in your body. I mean some cells are stick around for a long time but most of the cells in your body are regenerated so I can make your skin regenerates every seven years. So so they're not even the same molecules you know from one year to the next the molecules in your body of changed, its the pattern that stays relatively consistent pattern of molecules so we're pattern of molecules that can talk
I'm thinking for you.
Anyway, this is why I think we should expand, you know, we should have more kids and grow and expand Consciousness and both it at and probably have digital Consciousness to
Hoodie mean by expand Consciousness,
for more people to think. Yeah, more. Whether it's more people, more people, more thinking equals more Consciousness. You know, like total Consciousness is like, how many people are times average amount of Consciousness, but version of person that's like the total Collective consciousness.
It's more like a collective group of like, okay. Now there's like this. Many people said this many pains. Yeah. Exactly. Like more brains is more. Yeah
for Consciousness. Yeah. Does it ever worry you that the younger Generations like start to focus more on social media, right? So I'm not going to be as educated on stuff like space. You know things to keep the human civilization going
Because it seems like the youth now, like education is not as important as it
used to be.
I don't know. I mean, I'm not like super in touch with you through today because
I know I'm not a use so I mean, I guess I get some exposure to kids through my kids.
But it's limited and then even if I say like this, probably going to be pretty big difference between say my twins are 18 and you know like little excuse to they'll be a generational difference between them sure. Oh yeah this is definitely these big generational differences.
They can really see it if you like watch some some old movies, like, watch a movie from like the 60s or movies. From the 70s movie from the 80s, you can see all these generation uses a liar. Yeah, every decade like, watch a movie for every decade, and it's like, it's like, damn, that generation difference is significant. You know.
So you have a favorite movie ever.
I suppose. It will probably be like the original Star Wars, but that's part of it is. Like, that's the first
Movie I ever saw any theater. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow, they are sort of six years old, something like that? Well, it's a really made an impression
maybe that's why I like rocks where it all started,
right? Yeah, maybe that's why I like to be still. It's interesting. It's got to be that it's probably had an affair. Yeah. Yeah. I remember being like super. Wow. I first thought it was like, said never been in a movie theater before and all these not that I can remember and it's imagine seeing like the first movie I ever saw in a theater with Star Wars die. Be like,
it's kind of crazy Really Gonna think I'm crazy. Yeah,
six years old. You remember it like that.
Yeah, I remember I can visualize coming out of the theater.
That is not the same. I was like that. I think Karate Kid memories, one of the biggest intelligence of my first know, I mean things to
see the series, all three the series that made him.
Oh yeah, I saw the first season that yeah. The first season of what I've got
Cobra Kai. Yeah. It's a deep
cut. Yeah, I
think cover Chi is it was I watch the first, I think couple two seasons. I mean, it is a Twist and
Knife.
Yeah, it is it is I didn't like it. I mean it's no great. The show. Say but to measure comfortable. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well I mean also you don't like Daniel after loving the guy for like 30 years, you know. 30 plus years. Yeah. Yeah. Well Daniels oh gee. Yeah. He loved the guy. Yeah. But you got to see it.
Yeah, they make you not like them as literally the original actors
to MMM. Yeah, is also crazy boy, thought to something with people, I don't know. I think Memories the biggest piece for intelligence
If you have a good, really good memory, you should be smarter than the average.
Sure. Memory memory is a big deal
because if you can, remember walking out of the theater at six, I
mean, I can remember everything at 6:00 but I, you know, certain things. I mean, I like sometimes you wonder that gives it a real memory or created memory. Like so like one of the one of the things that I remember was I kind of traumatic when I was little kid was, and I must been like, four years old or something.
And I was, there was a like, a costume party, like Halloween or something like that at the Hebrew, preschool, that I was at, and I was being too Mike, my parents were out of town. My grandmother was taking care of me and she's like not super sensitive to like, you know, religious stuff. And or any way she dressed me up was freakin Santa Claus for Halloween party for a costume party at a Hebrew new preschool.
Oh my God, Daisy. Yeah, won't respond to that.
Yeah, so not.
Well, it's not. Well, I went to, I went to Hebrew school, to
Chinese pissed. I got pulled pulled out of school, and I was, I remember sitting there for like, and not knowing what the heck was going on and like it because they thought it was like some kind of deliberate insult, you know? Yeah, we're not like it, you know, it's just like, it's random costume choice, you know? And so so that I'm like, I don't know what to do why I'm being punished and so I was like,
Is that a real thing that happened? Or did I just think that happened? And then my mom actually found a photo of it, really? Yeah.
How many times do they pull you back? And say, hey, my points, that picture that
going and and I said, you know, principal's office, or whatever for a couple of hours, which long time for your kid and wait for my grandmother come pick me up. Well, I got to I guess we're in a school that day and I was like, it's kind of traumatic. And I remember that shirt is I remember what that I remember.
Like what that sort of office look like where I was just sitting there for a couple hours being confused. Matt, why I'm being thrown out of school? How will the reason we must be like for four, maybe five,
dude. How can you remember this stuff? You think if you read a by go, so that's stored in the brain, crazy, how we can just like, recall, like things from I do sometimes, is he not sure. I feel like
And sometimes when you try to recall memory, you kind of like effect that memory as well. Its got like, what you want. Yeah, yeah,
exactly yeah, really, yeah.
Like they've done these tests were like asked people to remember things and then like, it'll be sometimes like it'll be affected even by like your mood when you're remembering them the memory. Like yeah, what's your current state of mind and like that memory. You could recall that that memory will be like affected by your current state of mind. So
You know, sometimes you have to let go under. Was that real or not? I mean,
you know, like there's like as I can
I can all saying with all police police saying like it's like whenever there's a crime there's like there's always like three stories like the victim, the perpetrator and the truth. This is like you know, or if you move like rashomon, if your head of freshmen, whether it's like the same thing happens for n and you see four different peoples perspective and it's all totally different. So,
I could be a multiple of things though, right?
Yeah,
Like a people's experience of an event is, it's not always accurate.
Do you think that if you if you read a page of a book you could recite the page?
I could I could train to do that.
Yeah. Eventually like you read one page and you can recite it back just without reading it.
Yes, there are ways to do this. There are memory tricks that can be used to do that. So,
But I wouldn't say that that's a good use of your brain power. No. So,
what's the biggest thing? You think to teach the brain? Then if I want to teach my brain something, what's the most valuable thing I could do?
Okay. Well, here's some of that could be helpful to people who are we watch this? The with the important thing for in order to remember something, you must assign meaning to it. If say why sure just say like, why is relevant
If you can say why something is relevant, you probably will remember it. But because your brain is basically constantly trying to forget everything as much as possible because it's hard. It's hard to store memories. Yeah. So it's it's just things you care about. Yeah. It's like the most the stuff that we see in here is like not worth remembering. So in order for your brain, to remember something you have to establish relevance, if say why it's got to be in your head, multiple. Yeah.
It's like either y or a strong emotional event, like a like an invite, like a strong involuntary, emotional event. Or you could I guess try to generate an emotion and then the, then the Third Way would be absurdity. So if you want to remember an event, try try to imagine that event associated with something completely absurd. So you do remember it. Yes, okay wait makes like select let's say we want to
Fix this event and in this room just like imagine a dancing elephant dressed in a tutu that's just dancing around the room and then visualize that and you will
remember this, what if there's? No MM wow. But how do you know
that it's memory trick that it's a obscenity so your your brain remembers things that are different, okay? And and different can mean like there's a strong emotional associations.
Asian or it's absurd. Sure it's unusual. But if something is Not Unusual, if it's if it's just par for the course, there's nothing. Then why? Why should your brain bother remembering that it
doesn't it does. We have to have
some sort of important
I mean to, you know, I mean like but like
elephants, like I don't give a shit like you know what I mean? Like I'm just saying like I care about the dancing elephant to do. That's jumping around this room now. I
remember, but I think what you
No. Yeah, I think that's kind of, like, what? Why we remember? The first time we went to a movie, but probably don't remember what I had for breakfast on Sunday, you know, three days ago or two days
ago. Yeah, yeah. It just anything that's like, that's like you just your brain is just like trying to save neurons as trying to save brain cells here. So, it's just, it's
Your brain is really trying to forget as much as possible, so you have to give a reason to not forget and that. And that reason has to be, that it is different from a normal day, or a normal event. And that for that, difference can be real, or you can imagine it. So, there's a trick that I did for quite a while. When I was a kid, I just read a book on memory tricks basically and using these memory tricks, you can memorize
Is like the position of all the cards in a deck so you can say you're seeing this before. Now I wonder why he would flush a toilet
without a flash. Yeah I'm flushed at all. Don't want to ruin it Royal Flush. Do you do even piss on the you know the water on the side?
Where we at memory stuff. The reason that I said that those because like if I went through school for high school college, graduate from college, but everything that you do is a test of your memory, if you're going to go take a test and see how well can you memorize this stuff?
I will not everything. If you say, like math stuff, what is this? Partly member. I can also compute. Yeah, but I suppose like history geography or something like that. Would be mostly memory creative writing memory. Exactly. But
I went to school with Alexandra cu-boulder.
Okay. Yeah,
with who stepsister, oh really? Yeah, oh okay. Yeah, he's my age.
Actually.
Yeah, well, it's more. Yeah.
I spent a lot more time in the library. She was probably out partying, but okay. Yeah,
that's my half-sister video. Yeah, houses or some? Yeah, she looks awesome though. She why? It was an awesome? Oh yeah, I know. I know, she's married. Yeah. As good - oh wow.
Yes, you're often
or not are going to family events and stuff. Nice. She's very sweet Old Time. Boom, Ilan. I would you describe yourself? I don't know.
I want to
know what you think of yourself technologist.
Besides besides,
besides what you. I do technology.
Yeah. But like, besides retract gun with, you know,
all you've done. I mean, as a person, as at, like, Elon Musk as a person, how would you describe yourself? I suppose. I just saw just say, I'm a technologist who's curious about the future. And generally, I'm trying to take the actions that most likely lead to a better future for civilization.
I think that's like frankly the only like logical thing to do because like she don't take the you know, there's no point in having like a good future without civilization, you know, there's no good. If socialization crumbles no he's gonna have a good future so I don't know. So I think we want to take the set of actions that maximize the probability. The future is going to be good.
And interesting. And then we understand more about the nature of reality and universe.
Well, anything else I'm curious?
Curious about what but just like said, the nature of the universe. Why do you thinking or even what questions to
ask? Why do you think you made this your goal
though? Back when, I guess, when I was kind of growing up, I did have this, like, existential crisis where I was like, what's the meaning of life is this all pointless. Is there any point in existing at all? And I can't read the various religious texts and I read a bunch of the philosophers.
And I just can't really seem to find any any good answers. And then I read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which is really a book on philosophy, but it's disguises book on humor and and the point Douglas Adams was making is that the purpose of life is to
Is to is to learn, learn more to ultimately know what questions to to learn what questions to ask about the answer, that is the universe.
Here's his sort of making that that like that's the actual point is if this figure out the point. And so least that was my interpretation. And so, therefore, we should take the set of actions that are likely to expand Consciousness and our understanding of the universe so that we can know what the meaning of life is or why we're here and how the universe came to be
And that was kind of, the what answered my existential crisis as that I think, I think that's a good. That's a good philosophy. Basically, now it's a flashy that may, I think maybe for a lot of people may be uncomfortable because it's like, it's a really cheap too. I think it is a rational and logical philosophy.
But it is one that that does not get that. That's basically saying, hey, we don't know what the answer is, but let's try to find out. Do you feel like, you know, part of the answer? Yeah, I think. Yeah, we as humans collectively know, part of the answer but only a small Park small part. At this point, if we can make civilization last for, I don't know, Matt like a million years or something. You know, that we probably will know much more of the answer, and it's a tide dates.
Realization from. Like I said, the first writing is like 5,000 years ago, just bad practically no time at all. So if we were to last a million more years,
Then, like we're barely at the beginning of civilization? Yeah, it's true. I think about like if those ations is last nine years we will be seeing they'll think of us as like Ancient Ancient like Ruby like cavemen that was a, you
know pretty much yeah. How probably I probably think that is very last, another million years. I think it's probable. Yeah, I hope we get to Mars and start
expanding even planets. If we if we
Pre make Mars multiplanetary? Yeah, like we make Mars is self-sustaining civilization. Like I said, I think the probable lifespan of humanity is very long. If we don't, if we never expand beyond Earth, then I don't think the servlet that this lifespan of of humanity will be long, will not let her think it would do. You
think Earth's coming to an end?
Oh, that is a certainty. Just question of
what and my goodness house up. Like natural naturally are. There's a
Our fan base. I like believe everything. This guy says, there's a lot of factories, right? You shouldn't like, he
knows what he's doing. Well, I mean this, this the sun is gradually expanding and the Sun. The so if nothing else happened to sun, will expand and boil. The oceans and kill all life on Earth that has a certain.
That's a certainty that's 20. Well, how far, how far we have four week? Because the sun's expanding
like it's growing yes, expanding because it's very slowly. Now, I can really don't hold your breath on this one, but, you know, things could get a bit dicey.
In 500 million years like you know,
so one of the predicting that this that like that growth would become like an actual threat though.
Well it's not going to be in our lifetimes or anything close to it. But I'm just saying that if your look think very long term then then the extinction of Earth is a certainty. If you say long-term certainty as of that if nothing else that but of course that like if
Nothing else happens to destroy all life on Earth, that will definitely happen.
So now there's like if you look at the fossil record as well as I can't like the great Extinction events just read it just would like read the Wikipedia page or something you know will read the Encyclopedia Britannica like the like the great Extinction events in the fossil record there are arguably five great Extinction events and this is where your great Extinction event would be like I don't know.
Seventy eighty percent of all species on Earth are destroyed. And there was one particular Extinction, the Permian Extinction where it's like, maybe 90 95 percent of all species were destroyed which frankly doesn't tell the whole story because most of what remained were like sponges and fungi and things like not, you know unless you're all your mushroom or a cockroach or whatever you know or something it'll basically no large life with survived.
Or almost no large life. So, Permian Extinction, took out almost
everything. What were those Extinction events?
Was like the craziest one.
Well, like the most amount of species that was the Permian Extinction. I recommend just looking at reading the great, you know, from what have we found in the fossil record about great extinctions that net and as likes is generally, considered to be at roughly five a great extinctions. Now, the that doesn't count the many, the many cases where entire continents were destroyed.
That happened a lot, but that that wouldn't count as major Extinction so that that happened, many many times but like any time that there's a really big volcano like Yellowstone, for example, I think as opposed to wrapped every 100,000 years or so. And that would destroy pretty much all life and America. Wow, this one's a yeah. Now we'll see that one coming.
Most likely he also is a gigantic volcano. Never knew that
I didn't know that. Yeah, I've been there.
I've never been a. You also have One Last Time volcano erupted. Well, they're up to you. There's like little eruptions
quite frequently and to America like a huge one. Crackpots krakatau, there's a big one Guatemala. I think about once a year maybe a
year ago krakatau was a real. That was a bunch of people down there. Now
this is kind of off topic but in Hawaii had one a couple years ago to Big Island
There's fuck volcanic big, big volcanoes, eruptions without those will. There's a plenty of those. It'll take out of continent, let's climb it also changes pretty radically over the course of like say 10,000 years, you know, can shift from being extremely hot to extremely cold and turn it into a single
Global sages, right?
Yeah.
You can really go down a deep rabbit hole. If you read the about ice
ages. Yeah, really. Like, do you proud whole on ice ages? What's so intriguing about them? Are all Earth has just been through like the whole earth is just
freezing. Like said there's deep rabbit hole on ice ages, beep Rabbit Hole. Where should we so many? Because I think there's so many.
Yeah. Why do you love it?
I love it. I mean, I think it's just interesting,
So interesting
that, that, that how much ass climate has changed, and even where the, where the magnetically where the poles are have, has shifted over time. So,
anyway, there's
That is also been times where in the past where our galaxy is like collided with another galaxy that probably, you know, through things for a bit of a loop at the
time. Why is your like a conspiracy when it comes to ice ages or anything like that? Or is not really known. Okay. When was the last ice age? How long ago was
that? Well, we're technically in
Sort of an ice age right now I've although it depends on what you call an Ice Age. What happened in global warming? Wait yeah. How
so what defines an ice age at that? Global warming is not cool anymore.
It's a deep Rabbit Hole.
What do you do? When you going out down a deep Rabbit Hole though is that YouTube videos books or how do you educate your social
media? So
Twitter can be interesting. So the I think there was probably something significant that happened at the in the last ice age because we don't see any evidence of writing when I say I'm using ice age in the colloquial term limit of like when when was it very snowy and and where the glaciers came down far and we're we're summer was short, winter was very long.
And that was about 10,000 years ago.
so,
Something something happened around. I think around that ice age that because we see no writing, how do you know writing before that Ice Age and we start to see writing pop up in multiple places on Earth. After that after the most recent colloquially termed Ice Age. So yeah like I said they've been times when
Earth has been extremely tropical and where it's been a stowable. But these these tend to occur over very long periods of time, the the global warming thing we're talking about here is where we're just taking large amounts of carbon, that was buried underground and we are putting it in the atmosphere and oceans and this will naturally change change the climate to some degree by. I don't think it's like the end of the world or anything, but it's going to it's going to cause strife.
So that's why it's good to accelerate a sustainable energy future for sure.
I know this is kind of off topic but I will I do want to ask completely off topic. How expensive is it to send one human to Mars if you want to break it down by
human right now, it's Infinity dollars, there's no price. Yeah, we finna T Bitcoin and dollars and everything being like no matter money could, you could say, you're gonna send someone to Mars for any amount of money right now.
Now with Starship, you know, hopefully when Starship is successful, Sasha will be capable of sending people to Mars. Mmm, I think long term we could get the cost of a trip to Mars maybe under a hundred thousand dollars. Wow, what it's like to explain just say that he is not physically impossible to achieve
that per person or yeah. This is not a thousand but that's not that crazy to go to office like a different plan, you doin? No, that's not bad. Yeah. Why not. How are you? How do you
like what if you have a
Fully reusable vehicle and your propellant costs are low. Then then it is possible to achieve a cost per person number below 100,000, and how
many people can you fit on the space shuttle? Or
well special is luckier, we're going, sorry, beyond Earth, but rocket, right? The current version, Starship, you could, you could put a hundred people on it. So then, you know, you have to get the cost of the flight. How do you break that cost?
You dollars,
how do you kill the cost? I think it's got to be way more expensive than that.
It's like first class on Emirates is really. No, it's like 40 kg. Okay. But 100K like that's a the doing flown first class whenever it's have you. No never. But I'm saying like 100 kids like a private jet from New York to Europe, right. We're talking about taking a rocket to Mars. So how are those costs even similar?
He said like I'm saying in the in the limit of affordability is it possible to achieve a cost?
A trip to Mars. Blow a hundred thousand per person. I'm like, yes, it is. It is not impossible. So,
It basically would like sitter for Starship. If you could get if you put a hundred people on board and and the cost per flight is less than 10 million dollars. That's a hundred thousand dollars per person. Sure.
So is that unfair though because you got to assume rich people going to be the guy or the not the guys, but the people that can afford
that.
Well, not necessarily they'll be a labor shortage on Mars. So okay, you're probably take a loan and pay back real fast burn. Just like somehow we're going to get there. And so now we're going to get a lot of people there. So it's going to be funded by individuals, but individuals governments or that. That's, that's what you paid somehow. It's like going to pay for the rocket. Yeah, I need a lot of rockets so but I'm confident that as possible.
All to create a self-sustaining City on Mars. Yeah,
some of those other eventually in terms of restaurants clubs all that maybe you start with like the the coolest hotel club and restaurant ever, then you entice people to go there. Nice golf courses to. Yeah, well,
yeah, go forward. Go much further on Mars. Yeah, no totally. So you like like 37, 38?
Of us gravitation. So you're built, like gonna jump more than twice as high. A probably
bout hit that ball like
500 your eyes. Yeah, there ya go, go far.
Do you think like exclusivity would make people want to go to Mars? Even
it's going to be exclusive no matter what
brothers enough people that want if there's only 100 blow, but it's going to be a huge load
out what I mean by like you have to in order for it to be self-sustaining. You got to have like a million people, so I'm million. I think so. I mean,
To have a two-star self-sustaining build like where you don't need any kind of like
shit. If the ships from Earth, stop coming for any reason, does it? Look, there's the city die out. All right. That's a hard. That's a hard as a high bar, you know, so you can't be missing anything.
Oh, why didn't I Mellie? And that's
crazy. So he's probably at least a million you go half. No. No.
Okay. Okay. Live there. That's before when you don't need resources from the earth, right?
Yeah. I'm saying in order to make itself
Any. But in order for, in order to ensure Humanity's future for a long time, it's got you got to have a self-sustaining City if it's dependent on Earth then your soul like okay, if something bad happens to Earth and Mars going back to Sure. Mmm. So to make it self-sustaining is where that's that's the real threshold that matters.
How long when it's like when it's all said and done? Like, how long would a trip take?
Well right now, true, take six months, but I think you get the trip under three months. Six months
hundred, three months. Yeah,
Earth and Mars Only aligned every two years. So, a thermometer only like the same quote, the same quadrant of the solar system every two years.
So, you have to go to class or you line up every two years, but then it's like a six-month Journey.
So, that's the only time you can go when they're
like, Yeah, because sometimes Mars on the other side of the sun you know, just going to go through the sun just not gonna happen. Yeah. So if it for ya so they need to be same quadrant taking into account the how the planets move relative to one another. So so you only have a short wait come back Earth is zipping around the you know
It's around the Sun, every year. A Mars is about every two years. You gotta wait two years to come
back, but it is crazy. You got to spend right now, you said, six months on a rocket with a hundred people, right? What does that look like? Also
crazy people lose.
You know, they're like they definitely were sailing Journeys, that were 16 months and all times.
On really tiny ships.
Six months on a rocket. You'd have to. Yeah, that'd be like a mental. That's a mental thing. You really got to overcome six
months ago. Goes well being
in a rock. It says, you're like Mario's. Yeah, you got to bring some picks up. This is what I mean, if I go up there, he said, 100 people. So if we go with 99 chicks, your you need at least more than half. Yeah. And then I'll be in there
for a sec. Uh, sure.
That's why you have starlink.
Right. The easiest way to the Rockets have Wi-Fi.
Yeah. Well though, Starling your because there's the speed of light actually becomes an issue. If you start getting far away from a so in rough terms at closest approach, Mars is for light minutes away from Earth, okay? And first approach may be is like 20 minutes roughly. So that means there could be times where like,
Round trip to communicate with Mars takes 40 minutes.
Best case is going to be 8 minutes. Ish
some time for how do you make sure people are
repopulating you mean Earth or Mars? Mars, I don't know. Hopefully they do have a lot of kids sex. Yeah. Yeah.
Hopefully they have a lot of kids on
Mars. Yeah. What would the laws be like? I know it's a whole new after the Russian band condoms. What about the currents are? Do you should make 69 laws? Yeah, exactly. Oh my, imagine you on making the laws that would be all he's working on it. If you're the first one there, you get that so many to get the 40,
right. I don't know. I mean I just think it's like important that we make life multiplanetary while still possible to do so.
Because we just can't count on. We can't count on Humanity being able to
make life multiplanetary forever. Like I said that window of opportunity, it could be open for a long time. Could be open for a short time but we should assume that is open for a short time. So just to be, you know, to be safe. I think we should assume the window of opportunity is short. And, you know, at some point. There's going to be a third world war. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Yeah. And after World War 3
You know, who knows? What's left after World War Three? I think that's learned US nuclear warfare.
It could so there's arguably this like, you know, the so I was a space race between do we become a multi-planet species or World War 3, which one is first and if World War 3 is first and maybe we never get to another planet shit.
Yeah. Salim's not sleeping tonight. A lot of the information manager saying, yeah,
probably not going to sleep. Yeah,
it's already out anything.
A lot of things that you've been saying, it's really, really interesting.
It seems like scary, but like, it seems like world war three nuclear war could happen. Any time, you got to live in reality, right under that assumption. Do we have a secret rocket? That's ready to go to send people to Mars, just in case. No, I got past that idea.
It's
got to get a box of bubble in the middle of nowhere. Bridge web-based Basics. We're trying to hustle with the rocket and get it. Good, good working. But we, you know, we got to make it, get rid of get to open the first place and then we got to make it reusable like, so that's really important. The Rockets are expendable, then the costs crazy. Yeah. So you're going to have to be reusable like an airplane. Like unit comes back, you refuel it and go gained everything. How much is it? I can you reuse. Well, Starship. The whole thing is designed to be reused, really? Yeah, we should.
It's crazy. If Sasha will really be quite a big breakthrough, if it's the first fully reusable rocket oval rocket, I mean that's a profound break through the destiny. Of humanity will fundamentally change at the point of which Starship demonstrates full and Rapid
reusability. Correct me if I'm wrong with SpaceX, is the first that made the reusable rocket, right? Like NASA. No
one ever fully knowledgeable. Yeah, fully reusable. Well, I mean, the space shuttle was partially, reusable. You know, the Orbiter the, the aircraft looking thing. Came came.
Back, but the big external tank the Big Orange tank that there, which is also the plant primary air frame, or the brother. Pluto, like the primary primary load bearing structure as to which the solid rocket boosters attached that that did not come back, which is very expensive. Yes, they thought it wouldn't be expensive but it turned out to be very expensive. So the shuttle also, the part of the show that we're reusable were very difficult to reuse. So like the Orbiter that
Craft looking thing that took a lot of effort to refurbish between flights and the solid rocket booster shells. It's not clear that those are made sense to reuse. So the thing that matters is is full and rapid reusability.
But like basically where you don't do anything between flights, except refill the tanks now with Falcon 9 or SpaceX is done with Falcon 9. That's notable, is that fuck 9 is the first case where we usability actually made any sense. Like where whether usability was
You know, economically sensible.
So the the Falcon 9 booster is we flow in those lot at this point. We've landed them a lot like over a hundred times.
Of and an individual boosters of flown, think 13 times this point.
And the nose cone will the fairing. We've got the fairing back now, over a hundred times. So we've achieved reusability of everything, except the upper stage with Falcon 9, and we're demonstrated economically, viable reusability. So that's the most significant thing that SpaceX is done. Now, installing Global Internet system, will also be cigar significant and that isn't time to generate enough Revenue to pay for
Martians. So if with suing starlink is successful, it should generate enough Revenue to pay for enough shifts to get Humanity to Mars and the moon as well, a lot of knowledge. It's crazy. Yeah. So that's the intent. We look, we're a long way to go. So, so like, so like sin, the bag or
anything either. We get to Mars, or if Putin gets out of hand, we send Ilan into walrus. Mm. Yeah.
Dana White connect. We can make it happen. Yeah. The walrus. I think that's probably for the best.
